Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion

[bwgood77]

Ray Ray?

Right, Anybody heard anything from him?

No, unfortunately

There have been several, but not any time recent unless it is just to disprove something dispel false rumors.

[TeamTragic]

Ray Ray just pops in when there are actual deals on the table.

[Kerrsed]

Ray-Ray and others quit posting as other users trashed them for going out of their way to provide us info. We also had people working for the Suns as posters trying to discredit the info and it turned into a bit of a molehunt. On occasion they would still PM me info that i would somewhat drop hints at what/who we were looking at and/or post trade ideas around those players.

[Frank Lee]

That's a crazy thought.....that the suns FO was actually keeping tabs on this forum....and playing the misinformation discrediting game?

Haha

HI McDingleberry

[Kerrsed]

That's a crazy thought.....that the suns FO was actually keeping tabs on this forum....and playing the misinformation discrediting game?

Haha

HI McDingleberry

Most of the teams have employees that keep track of the forums. They use this to try to stop leaks, but also use it to judge fan reaction when it comes to trades/draft picks. They might throw out a few trade ideas and see what fans think about it, also helps gauge the interest by fans that are more in the know than just regular casual fans. Not saying that it is the final judgement, but it does play a factor.

[RaisingArizona]

Franky is definitely an informant.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

That's a crazy thought.....that the suns FO was actually keeping tabs on this forum....and playing the misinformation discrediting game?

Haha

HI McDingleberry

Most of the teams have employees that keep track of the forums. They use this to try to stop leaks, but also use it to judge fan reaction when it comes to trades/draft picks. They might throw out a few trade ideas and see what fans think about it, also helps gauge the interest by fans that are more in the know than just regular casual fans. Not saying that it is the final judgement, but it does play a factor.

So McD drafted TJ and Booker because of me???

Hire me. My job is no fun. I'll take a pay cut.

[asudevil]

Why should we do a trade for a PG like Rubio now, when we're almost certainly going to end up in the upper half of the lottery, in a class absolutely stacked with PG's with high potential? Never was i a fan of Bledsoe's style of play, but replacing him with even more flawed guy, while ignoring what i wrote above is plain bad move to me. If we really want a fresh start and if we're ready to move on from Bled, we should look no further from this draft class.

You bring in a guy who is looking first to distribute and can control the chaos that we have seen on the floor. What would be better for developing the youth that to have that type of PG. You give the RAW talent we have the opportunity to get baskets on the floor without them having to constantly create their own shots.

Rubio is no older than Bledsoe, makes no less money, and is under contract for the same amount of time. IMO guys like Chriss/Bender will develop faster, Booker will be the primary scorer, and Ulis will have a better mentor. And if anything Rubio will still have the same value as Bledsoe in a year, which will allow a drafted PG to take over when he gets traded for some asset.

[OnceUponADime]

Why should we do a trade for a PG like Rubio now, when we're almost certainly going to end up in the upper half of the lottery, in a class absolutely stacked with PG's with high potential? Never was i a fan of Bledsoe's style of play, but replacing him with even more flawed guy, while ignoring what i wrote above is plain bad move to me. If we really want a fresh start and if we're ready to move on from Bled, we should look no further from this draft class.

I'm not saying Rubio is the answer but you always take the sure thing (if the player is relatively young as well) over the risky rookie every time unless the rookie is a sure thing like Anthony Davis, John Wall or KAT or something like that.

There's no players in this draft who look like that even though some may still pan out very well. Plus we can get screwed in the lottery even if we end up with the best odds.

[AtheJ415]

Why should we do a trade for a PG like Rubio now, when we're almost certainly going to end up in the upper half of the lottery, in a class absolutely stacked with PG's with high potential? Never was i a fan of Bledsoe's style of play, but replacing him with even more flawed guy, while ignoring what i wrote above is plain bad move to me. If we really want a fresh start and if we're ready to move on from Bled, we should look no further from this draft class.

You bring in a guy who is looking first to distribute and can control the chaos that we have seen on the floor. What would be better for developing the youth that to have that type of PG. You give the RAW talent we have the opportunity to get baskets on the floor without them having to constantly create their own shots.

Rubio is no older than Bledsoe, makes no less money, and is under contract for the same amount of time. IMO guys like Chriss/Bender will develop faster, Booker will be the primary scorer, and Ulis will have a better mentor. And if anything Rubio will still have the same value as Bledsoe in a year, which will allow a drafted PG to take over when he gets traded for some asset.

Rubio's advanced numbers are awful. His shooting destroys his value. If we want a pass first guy we could make a more minor move than taking on the captain of overrated point guards (aside from Rondo). Hell, starting Ulis would be more attractive to me.

[AtheJ415]

Why should we do a trade for a PG like Rubio now, when we're almost certainly going to end up in the upper half of the lottery, in a class absolutely stacked with PG's with high potential? Never was i a fan of Bledsoe's style of play, but replacing him with even more flawed guy, while ignoring what i wrote above is plain bad move to me. If we really want a fresh start and if we're ready to move on from Bled, we should look no further from this draft class.

I'm not saying Rubio is the answer but you always take the sure thing (if the player is relatively young as well) over the risky rookie every time unless the rookie is a sure thing like Anthony Davis, John Wall or KAT or something like that.

There's no players in this draft who look like that even though some may still pan out very well. Plus we can get screwed in the lottery even if we end up with the best odds.

Yes, yes there is. A few actually. Youtube Markelle Fultz Draftexpress.

[m1chal]

So McD drafted TJ and Booker because of me???

Hire me. My job is no fun. I'll take a pay cut.

Did you recommend drafting Len too?

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

So McD drafted TJ and Booker because of me???

Hire me. My job is no fun. I'll take a pay cut.

Did you recommend drafting Len too?

lol naw. I wasn't disappointed by the pick, but, like last year, I didn't have a clear selection at our draft spot.

There is some Internet Nostradamus I've heard referenced who said we should take Gobert at 5. I'd buy that person a beer.

[AtheJ415]

So McD drafted TJ and Booker because of me???

Hire me. My job is no fun. I'll take a pay cut.

Did you recommend drafting Len too?

lol naw. I wasn't disappointed by the pick, but, like last year, I didn't have a clear selection at our draft spot.

There is some Internet Nostradamus I've heard referenced who said we should take Gobert at 5. I'd buy that person a beer.

Gobert was pretty popular among fans from what I can remember. Most here wanted Noel or McLemore. I was fine with Len given the belief with Noel's knees. Gobert clearly wins the battle of that group, but if Len truly just focuses on getting rebounds and defense, with only shooting wide open jumpers and putbacks on offense, there's no real reason he can't still become something valuable rather soon. I think a lot of the problem is he's trying to do too much on offense. He should be in a simplified role like Adams is with OKC.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Did you recommend drafting Len too?

lol naw. I wasn't disappointed by the pick, but, like last year, I didn't have a clear selection at our draft spot.

There is some Internet Nostradamus I've heard referenced who said we should take Gobert at 5. I'd buy that person a beer.

Gobert was pretty popular among fans from what I can remember. Most here wanted Noel or McLemore. I was fine with Len given the belief with Noel's knees. Gobert clearly wins the battle of that group, but if Len truly just focuses on getting rebounds and defense, with only shooting wide open jumpers and putbacks on offense, there's no real reason he can't still become something valuable rather soon. I think a lot of the problem is he's trying to do too much on offense. He should be in a simplified role like Adams is with OKC.

I agree re Len. If he keeps up his current pace as a starter, I might even go so far as to say he's superior to Adams. He's always had better rebounding numbers, and recently as a starter, he's blocked the ball better, shot a better FG% and had lower turnover numbers. His free throw percentage has fallen off a cliff - I suppose as a result of Okur's effort to change his shot. But we have to be encouraged by his performance since he put that J to rest.

[thamadkant]

Len is not better than Adams.

Adams is like a Popovic type player... Meaning he sacrifices own stats for better team results.

I watch heaps of Thunder games and Adams defense is a tier better than Len. His offense is also more stable than Len... He doesnt try to dunk the ball every time someone drops a pass to him... Just a simple layup. And when he sets screens and moves he actually looks like he is doing intentionally and looks calm and in control. Len looks like he is trying to remember the coach's play he doesnt adjust accordingly so he'll end up passing the ball to a team mate who is heavily guarded where Adams will rotate it to an open man.


I'd trade Len and a future top 10 protected pick for Adams any day. Huge impact player.

[Barkley_34]

So McD drafted TJ and Booker because of me???

Hire me. My job is no fun. I'll take a pay cut.

Did you recommend drafting Len too?

lol naw. I wasn't disappointed by the pick, but, like last year, I didn't have a clear selection at our draft spot.

There is some Internet Nostradamus I've heard referenced who said we should take Gobert at 5. I'd buy that person a beer.

hahahaha The draft would be great if we selected Noel. I almost cried that day

[Qwigglez]

Magic fans on their board seem to be fine doing a Knight/Len for Vucevic/Hezonja. I'm sure Suns fans would agree to that as well. So who do we have to call to make this trade happen?

*edit* on second thought, I don't want to give up our tank commander right now.

[Villalobos]

Suns defense is already bad. I can't imagine what it would be with Vucevic protecting the rim. And he doesn't even look good on offense this year. His FG% and TS% is worse than Len's.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Magic fans on their board seem to be fine doing a Knight/Len for Vucevic/Hezonja. I'm sure Suns fans would agree to that as well. So who do we have to call to make this trade happen?

*edit* on second thought, I don't want to give up our tank commander right now.

As of right now, I'd have to say I think Len is the most valuable of the bunch. So that's a no for me.