Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI

[payitforward]

Now that Beal appears on the right track...

...if Beal can continue his ascent as an All-Starish caliber player...

LOL! Brad had a tremendous game last night, no question about it. And to us Wizards fans, who have wandered in such darkness so much of the time for so long, any point of light at all seems like the sun-rise!

So let me join the party. Now that Brad has shown that he can put up a Michael Jordan level game, if he continues his ascent to doing that regularly, he'll justify his max salary and we won't want to trade him.

[dangermouse]

Now that Beal appears on the right track, the chances of a mid-year trade to get Cousins goes from non-existent to possible. I guess the question is - what else needs to happen to make it more likely?

I think the Wiz are more much more likely to make a big trade if they continue to stay below .500. And Sac is more likely to trade as they continue to lose - and WCS languishes on the bench - their fans and local media (and Shaq) saying isn't he the type of player who should be getting PT on a losing team?

The more time passes, the lower Cousins value will be and the increased likelihood of a trade.

Interesting to look at some of these proposals - if Beal can continue his ascent as an All-Starish caliber player the Wizards could put together one of the more attractive offers for Boogie:


Every NBA team’s best (hypothetical) trade proposal to land DeMarcus Cousins

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/gallery/demarcus-cousins-kings-trade-rumors-proposals-lakers-bulls-cavs-warriors-heat-thunder-112116


Cousins + Collison for Beal + two 1sts? (I'd even throw in Oubre or Sato if need be)

Then trade Gortat for a wing player, say to Houston for Ariza.

Wall/Sato
McClellan/Thornton (or any vet min)
Porter/Ariza
Kieff/Nicholson
Cousins/Mahinmi

In that scenario I'd probably run with Porter or Ariza at PF. Kieff as the first guy off the bench. Where does Collison go in this? I think getting Collison might be a bit much, hasn't he been their PG leader this year over Lawson? Sato would be pushed to backup, or starting SG, in that lineup.


I think asking for McLemore might be more obvious.

[BigA]

Now that Beal appears on the right track...

...if Beal can continue his ascent as an All-Starish caliber player...

LOL! Brad had a tremendous game last night, no question about it. And to us Wizards fans, who have wandered in such darkness so much of the time for so long, any point of light at all seems like the sun-rise!

So let me join the party. Now that Brad has shown that he can put up a Michael Jordan level game, if he continues his ascent to doing that regularly, he'll justify his max salary and we won't want to trade him.

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[Dark Faze]

Gotta give Brad credit. Those numbers are rising in a hurry, and I would never have thought he was capable of coming even close to 50--and honestly it didn't look terribly hard for him. If he'd forced it he could have gotten there.

That's huge. I've never seen that from him with the eye test before. Gives me a degree of pause.

[nate33]

Gotta give Brad credit. Those numbers are rising in a hurry, and I would never have thought he was capable of coming even close to 50--and honestly it didn't look terribly hard for him. If he'd forced it he could have gotten there.

That's huge. I've never seen that from him with the eye test before. Gives me a degree of pause.

Good point. This was his first scoring explosion that passed "the eye test". In most of his other big scoring nights, it was mostly just a matter of him getting an unusually high number of catch-and-shoot opportunities that he happened to make. He was highly productive, but not necessarily dominate.

He dominated Phoenix. They really couldn't stop him.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Now that Beal appears on the right track...

...if Beal can continue his ascent as an All-Starish caliber player...

LOL! Brad had a tremendous game last night, no question about it. And to us Wizards fans, who have wandered in such darkness so much of the time for so long, any point of light at all seems like the sun-rise!

So let me join the party. Now that Brad has shown that he can put up a Michael Jordan level game, if he continues his ascent to doing that regularly, he'll justify his max salary and we won't want to trade him.

Labradford Smith

[BealsLegs]

Honestly if we get Cousins I'd rather he start at the 4 and we make kief the super-sub, cuz seems to do well with a traditional center next to him plus hes shooting 3s now

[nate33]

Honestly if we get Cousins I'd rather he start at the 4 and we make kief the super-sub, cuz seems to do well with a traditional center next to him plus hes shooting 3s now

Watching Cousins defend opposing PF's would be painful. Twin Towers lineups don't work in today's NBA. There is too much floor spacing.

[BealsLegs]

Honestly if we get Cousins I'd rather he start at the 4 and we make kief the super-sub, cuz seems to do well with a traditional center next to him plus hes shooting 3s now

Watching Cousins defend opposing PF's would be painful. Twin Towers lineups don't work in today's NBA. There is too much floor spacing.

Cant cousins shoot 3s tho?

[nate33]

Honestly if we get Cousins I'd rather he start at the 4 and we make kief the super-sub, cuz seems to do well with a traditional center next to him plus hes shooting 3s now

Watching Cousins defend opposing PF's would be painful. Twin Towers lineups don't work in today's NBA. There is too much floor spacing.

Cant cousins shoot 3s tho?

He can, but that's not why you get Cousins. If you want a PF to shoot 3's get a guy like Channing Frye who won't cost a fortune and who has the mobility to chase other PF's out on the perimeter.

I'm fine with acquiring Cousins. But you absolutely must trade one of Gortat/Mahinmi and use that value to shore up the depth at forward.

[dangermouse]

Lets say a Cousins for Beal deal goes through...

We'd likely be ringing teams shopping Gortat. What about Gortat + filler for Portland's Allen Crabbe?

I feel like he is definitely far more overpaid than Beal is, but as a catch and shoot guy next to Wall with Cousins in the middle, he could fill in that gap that Beal leaves.

[gambitx777]

Lets say a Cousins for Beal deal goes through...

We'd likely be ringing teams shopping Gortat. What about Gortat + filler for Portland's Allen Crabbe?

I feel like he is definitely far more overpaid than Beal is, but as a catch and shoot guy next to Wall with Cousins in the middle, he could fill in that gap that Beal leaves.

I feel like the smarter thing would be to offer one of our centers to denver, they desperately need some center help. One of our bigs for will barton and wilson chandler. They have a lot of young wings and they would not mind dumping that contract on chandler.

[deneem4]

Can we please trade for ersan before Ben comes back...
The guy has been a major offensive weapon for the sixers maybe the biggest after embiid...I been saying for years hes Kevin love lite....he's showing it right now

[Dat2U]

Lets say a Cousins for Beal deal goes through...

We'd likely be ringing teams shopping Gortat. What about Gortat + filler for Portland's Allen Crabbe?

I feel like he is definitely far more overpaid than Beal is, but as a catch and shoot guy next to Wall with Cousins in the middle, he could fill in that gap that Beal leaves.

I feel like the smarter thing would be to offer one of our centers to denver, they desperately need some center help. One of our bigs for will barton and wilson chandler. They have a lot of young wings and they would not mind dumping that contract on chandler.

Someone mentioned Gortat for Trevor Ariza a few pages back. That would be my preference. I think Porter & Ariza can play together effectively.

Crabbe makes entirely too much money as a one trick pony. Unless Smith & Nicholson are being sent back in a deal I have no interest.

Barton is a poor fit with Wall. He's a slasher with a shaky jumper and he's generally been disengaged defender. His on/off numbers have consistently been poor as well.

[nate33]

Lets say a Cousins for Beal deal goes through...

We'd likely be ringing teams shopping Gortat. What about Gortat + filler for Portland's Allen Crabbe?

I feel like he is definitely far more overpaid than Beal is, but as a catch and shoot guy next to Wall with Cousins in the middle, he could fill in that gap that Beal leaves.

I feel like the smarter thing would be to offer one of our centers to denver, they desperately need some center help. One of our bigs for will barton and wilson chandler. They have a lot of young wings and they would not mind dumping that contract on chandler.

Someone mentioned Gortat for Trevor Ariza a few pages back. That would be my preference. I think Porter & Ariza can play together effectively.

Crabbe makes entirely too much money as a one trick pony. Unless Smith & Nicholson are being sent back in a deal I have no interest.

Barton is a poor fit with Wall. He's a slasher with a shaky jumper and he's generally been disengaged defender. His on/off numbers have consistently been poor as well.

Agreed. It's really hard to have too many versatile forwards in today's NBA. Ariza, Porter and Morris would form a pretty solid trio at forward, capable of defending most matchups, and switching onto anyone. Meanwhile, they'll spread the floor on offense and exploit mismatches when available. Nicholson gets the minutes at backup center. He's less of a defensive disaster there.

The only concern is that neither Mahinmi nor Nicholson are particularly good screeners. It could impact the effectiveness of the high screen and roll we use as the foundation to many of our offensive sets. (Actually, I don't really know how good of a screener Mahinmi is. I just know that Gortat is really good at it.)

[gambitx777]

I feel like the smarter thing would be to offer one of our centers to denver, they desperately need some center help. One of our bigs for will barton and wilson chandler. They have a lot of young wings and they would not mind dumping that contract on chandler.

Someone mentioned Gortat for Trevor Ariza a few pages back. That would be my preference. I think Porter & Ariza can play together effectively.

Crabbe makes entirely too much money as a one trick pony. Unless Smith & Nicholson are being sent back in a deal I have no interest.

Barton is a poor fit with Wall. He's a slasher with a shaky jumper and he's generally been disengaged defender. His on/off numbers have consistently been poor as well.

Agreed. It's really hard to have too many versatile forwards in today's NBA. Ariza, Porter and Morris would form a pretty solid trio at forward, capable of defending most matchups, and switching onto anyone. Meanwhile, they'll spread the floor on offense and exploit mismatches when available. Nicholson gets the minutes at backup center. He's less of a defensive disaster there.

The only concern is that neither Mahinmi nor Nicholson are particularly good screeners. It could impact the effectiveness of the high screen and roll we use as the foundation to many of our offensive sets. (Actually, I don't really know how good of a screener Mahinmi is. I just know that Gortat is really good at it.)

Nate would you be more inclined to trade mahinmi to a place like denver. for Will barton and wilson chandler? Then say we move beal for DC or move him to Philly for a big and some bench guys.
We then have Gortat, chandler coming off the bench that helps out our bench a **** ton.

[nate33]

Someone mentioned Gortat for Trevor Ariza a few pages back. That would be my preference. I think Porter & Ariza can play together effectively.

Crabbe makes entirely too much money as a one trick pony. Unless Smith & Nicholson are being sent back in a deal I have no interest.

Barton is a poor fit with Wall. He's a slasher with a shaky jumper and he's generally been disengaged defender. His on/off numbers have consistently been poor as well.

Agreed. It's really hard to have too many versatile forwards in today's NBA. Ariza, Porter and Morris would form a pretty solid trio at forward, capable of defending most matchups, and switching onto anyone. Meanwhile, they'll spread the floor on offense and exploit mismatches when available. Nicholson gets the minutes at backup center. He's less of a defensive disaster there.

The only concern is that neither Mahinmi nor Nicholson are particularly good screeners. It could impact the effectiveness of the high screen and roll we use as the foundation to many of our offensive sets. (Actually, I don't really know how good of a screener Mahinmi is. I just know that Gortat is really good at it.)

Nate would you be more inclined to trade mahinmi to a place like denver. for Will barton and wilson chandler? Then say we move beal for DC or move him to Philly for a big and some bench guys.
We then have Gortat, chandler coming off the bench that helps out our bench a **** ton.

If we traded Beal for Cousins, that would require a whole series of follow-up moves to balance the roster. Yes, Gortat for Chandler plus Barton would make sense in that scenario.

[gambitx777]

Agreed. It's really hard to have too many versatile forwards in today's NBA. Ariza, Porter and Morris would form a pretty solid trio at forward, capable of defending most matchups, and switching onto anyone. Meanwhile, they'll spread the floor on offense and exploit mismatches when available. Nicholson gets the minutes at backup center. He's less of a defensive disaster there.

The only concern is that neither Mahinmi nor Nicholson are particularly good screeners. It could impact the effectiveness of the high screen and roll we use as the foundation to many of our offensive sets. (Actually, I don't really know how good of a screener Mahinmi is. I just know that Gortat is really good at it.)

Nate would you be more inclined to trade mahinmi to a place like denver. for Will barton and wilson chandler? Then say we move beal for DC or move him to Philly for a big and some bench guys.
We then have Gortat, chandler coming off the bench that helps out our bench a **** ton.

If we traded Beal for Cousins, that would require a whole series of follow-up moves to balance the roster. Yes, Gortat for Chandler plus Barton would make sense in that scenario.

Why do you and a lot of people want to move gortat over mahinmi? I see gortat as the better player, and hes on a better contract. Why not keep gortat and tell him look we want to win you are coming off the bench. play hard and lets go win games.

[nate33]

Nate would you be more inclined to trade mahinmi to a place like denver. for Will barton and wilson chandler? Then say we move beal for DC or move him to Philly for a big and some bench guys.
We then have Gortat, chandler coming off the bench that helps out our bench a **** ton.

If we traded Beal for Cousins, that would require a whole series of follow-up moves to balance the roster. Yes, Gortat for Chandler plus Barton would make sense in that scenario.

Why do you and a lot of people want to move gortat over mahinmi? I see gortat as the better player, and hes on a better contract. Why not keep gortat and tell him look we want to win you are coming off the bench. play hard and lets go win games.

Gortat has more trade value because he's got a cheaper contract. I don't think Denver would trade Chandler and Barton for Mahinmi. (Indeed, I don't think Denver trades for a big man at all because they have two of them in Jokic and Nurkic.)

Also, I think, chemistry-wise, it would be hard for Gortat to adapt to a bench role. It would also be redundant because Gortat, like Cousins, is a more offensive minded player. I think Mahinmi is a better complement to Cousins because he brings something to the table that Cousins cannot (defense).

[dangermouse]

Gortat would feast on backup C's if he came off the bench.

I'd be down for an Ersan trade also, but what would the Sixers want in a trade that we'd be willing to part with?