GT: Boston Celtics @ Barclays Center - Wednesday, 11/23/16 7:30pm YES

[All Nets]

Defense isnt the greatest but that's not the biggest flaw here....

This team is not a good 3pt shooting team!!!!!!! So many possessions lost to bad shooting...

These guys don't fit the system.....

Kenny needs to get over it or....no, he needs to get over it. No business elsewhere....these guys need to do more than throw the ball from behind the arc...

Watching this, the C's play Kenny's system better than the nets did

I agree, but the Nets are also not a good penetrating team. It comes down to a lack of talent.

Celtics have guys like Horford, Smart, Bradley, Crowder who can close out and recover faster than our perimeter guys which allows them to cheat more on defensive and permits much greater margin for error. And of course they shot the 3 much better last night but a ton of those open looks from 3 in he 4th last night were from good penetration and taking advantage of our slower defense.

When the Nets run similar plays it resulted in semi-contested 3s, often by our big men who aren't as accurate off a rushed release as opposed to Crowder or IT shooting an open shot

The Nets once again were out-scored in the 3rd quarter and the casual fan would likely think we were thoroughly outplayed. In reality the Nets kept up with the Celtics all the way up until the 4 minute mark (where BKN was down by only 3) and -1 for the quarter.

But from 4 minutes up until end of quarter the Nets let the Celtics score 13 points. There were almost no deflections or activity on defense and the offense unfortunately stalled as well. Just tired legs that couldn't keep up and pushing a much faster pace I didn't really think helped the situation.

The one thing KA can harp on are the mental mistakes made in the 1st quarter. Really sloppy passes and inboarding.

At least we didn't give up over 120+ points.

[Prokorov]

The team played hard and would have won against a lesser ooponent. Boston is a better team than their record as they have been hurt with injuries to Horford and Crowder. The Nets have also been hurt with injuries and are better than their 4-10 record.
Boston moved the ball beautifully and kept getting wide open 3 point shots especially when the Nets double teamed. The Nets on the other hand seemed to rush their shots a little in my opinion. Real good games by Booker and Killpatrick which is encouraging. Whitehead is starting to look like a capable backup but obviously Lin is sorely missed.

Yeah I agree with this after just watching the game this morning. Not sure why guys were so freaking out in this thread. The team played hard and came back from a double digit lead to cut it to one possession 3 seperate times. this team has alot of heart... just not alot of talent.

-Not the best game from kilpatrick but certainly much better then on the road trip, signs of him coming out of his funk.

-We knew the defense was bad... 30th last season with minimial upgrades on that side of the ball and still have 2 liabilities in bogs/brook who make it hard to play D the way we need to (lots of switch, lots of trapping, and solid rotations). This wont change unless there are new players brought in.

-Someone said out three point shooting is bad and thats a reason we struggle. couldnt be more off base. its was has kept us in alot of these games. shooting percentage we rank low but 32% on 477 attempts (4th most) is solid and better then how horrid we would be shotting a higher volume of twos with so many bad offensive players.

Nothing has changed from a W/L standpoint. this is still a 25ish win team... and m fine wit that if we keep getting efforts like this one.

Only things id like to see change is cut down the turnovers, RHJ dial it back on offense, and Lopez rebound/Defend better as the season goes on.

[Paradise]

Defense isnt the greatest but that's not the biggest flaw here....

This team is not a good 3pt shooting team!!!!!!! So many possessions lost to bad shooting...

These guys don't fit the system.....

Kenny needs to get over it or....no, he needs to get over it. No business elsewhere....these guys need to do more than throw the ball from behind the arc...

Watching this, the C's play Kenny's system better than the nets did

Because we don't have a lot of talent lol. It's not Kenny's fault. They do fit the system. They aren't consistent enough to do it every night because the Hamiltons, Harris and Bogdanovics on this team are not that athletic or gifted. No surprise there. I guess everyone forgot why Marks tried to get Tyler Johnson and Allen Crabbe here but LeVert and Lin will make a difference. A lot more quickness and athleticism. Kilpatrick had a nice bounce back game with 23/2/3. Booker had a good game as well 18/12/3. So, we know who stays and who are the expendables.


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[jbeachboy]

guys, sean marks and kenny atkinson were thrilled when they were able to land randy foye!

[Pistolpete1947]

The team played hard and would have won against a lesser ooponent. Boston is a better team than their record as they have been hurt with injuries to Horford and Crowder. The Nets have also been hurt with injuries and are better than their 4-10 record.
Boston moved the ball beautifully and kept getting wide open 3 point shots especially when the Nets double teamed. The Nets on the other hand seemed to rush their shots a little in my opinion. Real good games by Booker and Killpatrick which is encouraging. Whitehead is starting to look like a capable backup but obviously Lin is sorely missed.

Yeah I agree with this after just watching the game this morning. Not sure why guys were so freaking out in this thread. The team played hard and came back from a double digit lead to cut it to one possession 3 seperate times. this team has alot of heart... just not alot of talent.

-Not the best game from kilpatrick but certainly much better then on the road trip, signs of him coming out of his funk.

-We knew the defense was bad... 30th last season with minimial upgrades on that side of the ball and still have 2 liabilities in bogs/brook who make it hard to play D the way we need to (lots of switch, lots of trapping, and solid rotations). This wont change unless there are new players brought in.

-Someone said out three point shooting is bad and thats a reason we struggle. couldnt be more off base. its was has kept us in alot of these games. shooting percentage we rank low but 32% on 477 attempts (4th most) is solid and better then how horrid we would be shotting a higher volume of twos with so many bad offensive players.

Nothing has changed from a W/L standpoint. this is still a 25ish win team... and m fine wit that if we keep getting efforts like this one.

Only things id like to see change is cut down the turnovers, RHJ dial it back on offense, and Lopez rebound/Defend better as the season goes on.

We had 18 assists and 19 turnovers whereas Boston had 26 assists and 13 turnovers. This is something that should be greatly improved on with a starting quality point guard. SKil forced it a little in the 4th quarter but he still shot 8-17. Bogs had a good game also shooting 50% and grabbing 8 rebounds. He's played well lately another encouraging sign.
A lot of defensive breakdowns started with our point guard being beaten leading to switches and double teams which led to open shots for Boston. Foye was particularly bad in stopping penetration. I wasn't high on him (as a starter) at the beginning of the season but he's playing far worse than expected at this point. Possibly his hamstring injury is contributing to his poor play. I've watched him in the past and he's just not the same player.
Anyhow encouraging signs from key players - we just need someone to tie it all together. Doesn't have to be Lin - just a starting quality point guard. Won't make us world beaters of course just better ( and hopefully a lot better).

[jbeachboy]

the biggest problem is team cant guard 3 pointer

[hood30]

The team played hard and would have won against a lesser ooponent. Boston is a better team than their record as they have been hurt with injuries to Horford and Crowder. The Nets have also been hurt with injuries and are better than their 4-10 record.
Boston moved the ball beautifully and kept getting wide open 3 point shots especially when the Nets double teamed. The Nets on the other hand seemed to rush their shots a little in my opinion. Real good games by Booker and Killpatrick which is encouraging. Whitehead is starting to look like a capable backup but obviously Lin is sorely missed.

Yeah I agree with this after just watching the game this morning. Not sure why guys were so freaking out in this thread. The team played hard and came back from a double digit lead to cut it to one possession 3 seperate times. this team has alot of heart... just not alot of talent.

-Not the best game from kilpatrick but certainly much better then on the road trip, signs of him coming out of his funk.

-We knew the defense was bad... 30th last season with minimial upgrades on that side of the ball and still have 2 liabilities in bogs/brook who make it hard to play D the way we need to (lots of switch, lots of trapping, and solid rotations). This wont change unless there are new players brought in.

-Someone said out three point shooting is bad and thats a reason we struggle. couldnt be more off base. its was has kept us in alot of these games. shooting percentage we rank low but 32% on 477 attempts (4th most) is solid and better then how horrid we would be shotting a higher volume of twos with so many bad offensive players.

Nothing has changed from a W/L standpoint. this is still a 25ish win team... and m fine wit that if we keep getting efforts like this one.

Only things id like to see change is cut down the turnovers, RHJ dial it back on offense, and Lopez rebound/Defend better as the season goes on.

We had 18 assists and 19 turnovers whereas Boston had 26 assists and 13 turnovers. This is something that should be greatly improved on with a starting quality point guard. SKil forced it a little in the 4th quarter but he still shot 8-17. Bogs had a good game also shooting 50% and grabbing 8 rebounds. He's played well lately another encouraging sign.
A lot of defensive breakdowns started with our point guard being beaten leading to switches and double teams which led to open shots for Boston. Foye was particularly bad in stopping penetration. I wasn't high on him (as a starter) at the beginning of the season but he's playing far worse than expected at this point. Possibly his hamstring injury is contributing to his poor play. I've watched him in the past and he's just not the same player.
Anyhow encouraging signs from key players - we just need someone to tie it all together. Doesn't have to be Lin - just a starting quality point guard. Won't make us world beaters of course just better ( and hopefully a lot better).

Foye is 33, so no one should had been expecting much out of him...This is his last season and last pay check before retiring...At 33, injuries are more difficult to come out of.

The good news is that Whitehead is at least playing good defense, so when Lin is back, Foye's minutes will no longer be too necessary..Hopefuly, Lin is ready tomorrow.

[Prokorov]

the biggest problem is team cant guard 3 pointer

we cant gaurd screens... thats what leads to the threes. our bigs are our biggest culprits but it doesnt stop there as our wings cant stay in front of anyone and we cant rebound.

Defense as a whole is putrid.

[Pistolpete1947]

With almost 9 min left in the game and the Nets down by 8 Brook Lopez entered the game. He had a big height advantage on the Celtics and should have been fed the ball near the basket where he would have to be doubled to stop him. If he was doubled it would free up outside shooting. If they didn't double he would probably score or get fouled. The only shots he took in the last 8:50 of the game were 2 3 pointers.
The Nets are not playing smart basketball.

[Prokorov]

With almost 9 min left in the game and the Nets down by 8 Brook Lopez entered the game. He had a big height advantage on the Celtics and should have been fed the ball near the basket where he would have to be doubled to stop him. If he was doubled it would free up outside shooting. If they didn't double he would probably score or get fouled. The only shots he took in the last 8:50 of the game were 2 3 pointers.
The Nets are not playing smart basketball.

Teams dont really double lopez. and he isnt a great post player, nor did he do much with any of his post or isolation touches in that game. Lopez is big but he doesnt really use his height to his advantage. not on the low block and not on the offensive glass... he more gets by on skill. his ball handling, finishing with both hands, drives, pivots... going to brook wouldnt have changed anything. we were getting open looks and missing. and if he did score a bit it wouldnt change how we couldnt get stops on the other end... or rebounds on the other end.

Lopez isnt a force. he is a really good offensive player but he wont carry you.

[Pistolpete1947]

With almost 9 min left in the game and the Nets down by 8 Brook Lopez entered the game. He had a big height advantage on the Celtics and should have been fed the ball near the basket where he would have to be doubled to stop him. If he was doubled it would free up outside shooting. If they didn't double he would probably score or get fouled. The only shots he took in the last 8:50 of the game were 2 3 pointers.
The Nets are not playing smart basketball.

Teams dont really double lopez. and he isnt a great post player, nor did he do much with any of his post or isolation touches in that game. Lopez is big but he doesnt really use his height to his advantage. not on the low block and not on the offensive glass... he more gets by on skill. his ball handling, finishing with both hands, drives, pivots... going to brook wouldnt have changed anything. we were getting open looks and missing. and if he did score a bit it wouldnt change how we couldnt get stops on the other end... or rebounds on the other end.

Lopez isnt a force. he is a really good offensive player but he wont carry you.

If he is a really good offensive player you should feed him near the basket and he should get more shots in the game. They should look for him especially since there are very few good offensive players on the team. Getting 2 shots in the last 9 minutes of the game - both 3's which he missed - is not smart basketball

[Prokorov]

With almost 9 min left in the game and the Nets down by 8 Brook Lopez entered the game. He had a big height advantage on the Celtics and should have been fed the ball near the basket where he would have to be doubled to stop him. If he was doubled it would free up outside shooting. If they didn't double he would probably score or get fouled. The only shots he took in the last 8:50 of the game were 2 3 pointers.
The Nets are not playing smart basketball.

Teams dont really double lopez. and he isnt a great post player, nor did he do much with any of his post or isolation touches in that game. Lopez is big but he doesnt really use his height to his advantage. not on the low block and not on the offensive glass... he more gets by on skill. his ball handling, finishing with both hands, drives, pivots... going to brook wouldnt have changed anything. we were getting open looks and missing. and if he did score a bit it wouldnt change how we couldnt get stops on the other end... or rebounds on the other end.

Lopez isnt a force. he is a really good offensive player but he wont carry you.

If he is a really good offensive player you should feed him near the basket and he should get more shots in the game. They should look for him especially since there are very few good offensive players on the team. Getting 2 shots in the last 9 minutes of the game - both 3's which he missed - is not smart basketball

neither is force feeding a guy who isnt a great low block player, asking him to do something he hadnt done all game (score in isolation).

brook shooting threes is good for this team. he is having his best season despite lower minutes. he isnt a force. you cant ride him. he is at his best playing off other players or face up drives from the baseline.

[MrDollarBills]

we need a win

NOPE

Boston fans are angry all the time and have enough times on their hands to follow 2 teams religiously. Its safe to say they probably don't live the exciting or successful lives.

I've said this before and I will say it now again.

The generalizing and "other"-izing of people with whom you do not share the same worldview, locale, and political/social commentary needs to stop.

One of the most notable posters on this board (Prok) lives in Boston. He does not claim that all Bostonians are racists.

I've traveled to Boston at least 40 times over the last two years and have stayed multiple days during each visit. No one has said anything racist to me in the least.

Does this mean that there are no racists in Boston? No, it doesn't.

But what it almost definitely means is that it is not right to refer to all people of Boston (or any one location) as racist or any other general positive/negative attribute.

Urban areas/cities are the most culturally diverse places on earth. If you're going to make the claim that all people of a certain demographic/locale share the exact same mentality, it behooves you to make a cogent argument proving the case. That's not what's happening here. We're just stirring up more negativity and extending historical events to present day mythologies and stereotypes. This is not good.


For us on this board, this also applies to the fans of Jeremy Lin on this board. Just because one fan says something you do not agree with doesn't make it right to say that ALL Lin fans are x,y,z.

Many people of various racial, ethnic, religious, and socio-political backgrounds hate to be portrayed as a monolith that looks the same, thinks the same, and behave the same.

In short, if we hate when it's done to us, why would we do it to others?

Stop referring to all Bostonians as racist, angry, filth, etc. Stop referring to all Lin fans as homers, blind, etc. Stop generalizing. If you have a problem with one or two individuals, address those people.

Do not extrapolate from that infinitesimally small sample size that all people of a certain group act in a certain way.

PSA over...

-NyCe

I understand you and you're right. My apologies. Truth be told, I don't believe that stuff that I say about Bostonians. I actually only say that stuff because a) to get under their skin since I know for a fact it pisses them off over there and b) they watch our board like hawks. Not much else we can really say to counter the amount of disrespect that goes on towards our team and fanbase stemming from them since we suck.