Fantasy Trade Thread

phifans · Post #141 » by **phifans** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:54 am

the_process wrote:Okafor and Rodriquez to HOU
Noel, McDaniels, and the LAL 1st to MIN
Beverley, Brewer, Pekovic, and LaVine to PHI

horrible deal. You sent three valable pieces away and just get back one with two negative pieces

TTP · Post #142 » by **TTP** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 2:51 am

phifans wrote:
the_process wrote:Okafor and Rodriquez to HOU
Noel, McDaniels, and the LAL 1st to MIN
Beverley, Brewer, Pekovic, and LaVine to PHI

horrible deal. You sent three valable pieces away and just get back one with two negative pieces

One? LaVine and Beverley are both valuable. Beverley is on an incredibly favorable deal and fits perfectly next to Simmons.

phifans · Post #143 » by **phifans** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:03 am

TTP wrote:
phifans wrote:
the_process wrote:Okafor and Rodriquez to HOU
Noel, McDaniels, and the LAL 1st to MIN
Beverley, Brewer, Pekovic, and LaVine to PHI

horrible deal. You sent three valable pieces away and just get back one with two negative pieces

One? LaVine and Beverley are both valuable. Beverley is on an incredibly favorable deal and fits perfectly next to Simmons.

I would do Jah/Noel + lal 1st for Lavine
I wouldn't do Jah/Noel for Beverly plus two garbage.
And Beverley is a little bit old for our core Im sure we may likely pick a young player as good as Beverley by using that lal 1st.

the_process · Post #144 » by **the_process** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:27 am

phifans wrote:
the_process wrote:Okafor and Rodriquez to HOU
Noel, McDaniels, and the LAL 1st to MIN
Beverley, Brewer, Pekovic, and LaVine to PHI

horrible deal. You sent three valable pieces away and just get back one with two negative pieces

Yeah, that's a bad characterization. You're overrating Okafor and underrating Beverley.

Also, the winner of a trade gets the best player. While it's possible the Laker pick yields that player, I'd take my chances that LaVine is the best player in this deal.

With all that being said, maybe you can get Minny to take back Brewer, or add the OKC 1st and they keep Pekovic.

TTP · Post #145 » by **TTP** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:44 am

phifans wrote:
TTP wrote:
phifans wrote:horrible deal. You sent three valable pieces away and just get back one with two negative pieces

One? LaVine and Beverley are both valuable. Beverley is on an incredibly favorable deal and fits perfectly next to Simmons.

I would do Jah/Noel + lal 1st for Lavine
I wouldn't do Jah/Noel for Beverly plus two garbage.
And Beverley is a little bit old for our core Im sure we may likely pick a young player as good as Beverley by using that lal 1st.

Beverley still probably has 4-5 prime years left and his game should age fairly well. I'd do Okafor for Beverley in a heartbeat.

phifans · Post #146 » by **phifans** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:09 am

TTP wrote:
phifans wrote:
TTP wrote:
One? LaVine and Beverley are both valuable. Beverley is on an incredibly favorable deal and fits perfectly next to Simmons.

I would do Jah/Noel + lal 1st for Lavine
I wouldn't do Jah/Noel for Beverly plus two garbage.
And Beverley is a little bit old for our core Im sure we may likely pick a young player as good as Beverley by using that lal 1st.

Beverley still probably has 4-5 prime years left and his game should age fairly well. I'd do Okafor for Beverley in a heartbeat.

Jah/Noel/lal pick for Lavine/Beverley is ok. Just no incentive to absorb two garbage on top of that.

phifans · Post #147 » by **phifans** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:14 am

the_process wrote:
phifans wrote:
the_process wrote:Okafor and Rodriquez to HOU
Noel, McDaniels, and the LAL 1st to MIN
Beverley, Brewer, Pekovic, and LaVine to PHI

horrible deal. You sent three valable pieces away and just get back one with two negative pieces

Yeah, that's a bad characterization. You're overrating Okafor and underrating Beverley.

Also, the winner of a trade gets the best player. While it's possible the Laker pick yields that player, I'd take my chances that LaVine is the best player in this deal.

With all that being said, maybe you can get Minny to take back Brewer, or add the OKC 1st and they keep Pekovic.

I love Lavine but the gap between Lavine/Beverley/Noel/Jah doesn't worth lal pick and absorbing two garbage.

spikeslovechild · Post #148 » by **spikeslovechild** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:56 am

Green is injured. Panic in GS right now. Even more pressure for Noel deal.

Hopefully a couple of other key injuries happen to other teams and we can get some competition. Tristan Thompson I'm looking at you.

Post #149 » by **Foshan** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:59 am

What about something around Vaughn & Maker (+ bad contract?) for Noel & Hollis

Maker is 2 years away from 2years away (about our timeline

) Vaughn (&TLC) gives us some security if Nik either goes crazy hot and someone throws him big money or goes mental and is out of the league.

TTP · Post #150 » by **TTP** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:07 am

Foshan wrote:What about something around Vaughn & Maker (+ bad contract?) for Noel & Hollis

Maker is 2 years away from 2years away (about our timeline ) Vaughn (&TLC) gives us some security if Nik either goes crazy hot and someone throws him big money or goes mental and is out of the league.

Do not want either of them and think there's just better trade targets out there.

76ciology · Post #151 » by **76ciology** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:05 pm

Again. Mo Harkless for Noel.

PTB is desperate for defense. Harkless can be a good defensive player and he's shooting 39% from 3s.

the_process · Post #152 » by **the_process** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:11 pm

76ciology wrote:Again. Mo Harkless for Noel.

POR is desperate for defense. Harkless can be a good defensive player and he's shooting 39% from 3s.

I'd rather do Crabbe and POR 1st with top 7 protection.

the_process · Post #153 » by **the_process** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:12 pm

Foshan wrote:What about something around Vaughn & Maker (+ bad contract?) for Noel & Hollis

Maker is 2 years away from 2years away (about our timeline ) Vaughn (&TLC) gives us some security if Nik either goes crazy hot and someone throws him big money or goes mental and is out of the league.

I'd consider Noel and Hollis for Brogdon and their 1st top 7 protected.

the_process · Post #154 » by **the_process** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:15 pm

phifans wrote:
the_process wrote:
phifans wrote:horrible deal. You sent three valable pieces away and just get back one with two negative pieces

Yeah, that's a bad characterization. You're overrating Okafor and underrating Beverley.

Also, the winner of a trade gets the best player. While it's possible the Laker pick yields that player, I'd take my chances that LaVine is the best player in this deal.

With all that being said, maybe you can get Minny to take back Brewer, or add the OKC 1st and they keep Pekovic.

I love Lavine but the gap between Lavine/Beverley/Noel/Jah doesn't worth lal pick and absorbing two garbage.

So change it to:

HOU gets Okafor and Rodriquez
MIN gets LAL 1st, OKC 1st, Noel, and McDaniels
PHI gets Brewer, Beverley, and LaVine

LloydFree · Post #155 » by **LloydFree** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:33 pm

TTP wrote:
phifans wrote:
TTP wrote:
One? LaVine and Beverley are both valuable. Beverley is on an incredibly favorable deal and fits perfectly next to Simmons.

I would do Jah/Noel + lal 1st for Lavine
I wouldn't do Jah/Noel for Beverly plus two garbage.
And Beverley is a little bit old for our core Im sure we may likely pick a young player as good as Beverley by using that lal 1st.

Beverley still probably has 4-5 prime years left and his game should age fairly well. I'd do Okafor for Beverley in a heartbeat.

+1

youngcrev · Post #156 » by **youngcrev** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:08 pm

TTP wrote:
phifans wrote:
TTP wrote:
One? LaVine and Beverley are both valuable. Beverley is on an incredibly favorable deal and fits perfectly next to Simmons.

I would do Jah/Noel + lal 1st for Lavine
I wouldn't do Jah/Noel for Beverly plus two garbage.
And Beverley is a little bit old for our core Im sure we may likely pick a young player as good as Beverley by using that lal 1st.

Beverley still probably has 4-5 prime years left and his game should age fairly well. I'd do Okafor for Beverley in a heartbeat.

Eh. He's very good at what he does, but he's an extremely limited player, is 28 years old, and is coming off knee surgery. He had a career year from 3 last year, so I'd expect that to come back closer to his career averages (which are still good, just not elite). He's "point guard" without ball skills. If the plan is to put 100% of the playmaking on Simmons, he's a solid fit, but I don't think they want to put that kind of pressure on him immediately.

I'm as down on Okafor as the next guy, but I still think we can trick some GM into giving us something decent for him.

Oh, and I particularly don't like the idea of acquiring both of those guys together since I'd want them to play the same position as off the ball guys that play the 1 defensively.

the_process · Post #157 » by **the_process** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:49 pm

youngcrev wrote:Eh. He's very good at what he does, but he's an extremely limited player, is 28 years old, and is coming off knee surgery. He had a career year from 3 last year, so I'd expect that to come back closer to his career averages (which are still good, just not elite). He's "point guard" without ball skills. If the plan is to put 100% of the playmaking on Simmons, he's a solid fit, but I don't think they want to put that kind of pressure on him immediately.

I'm as down on Okafor as the next guy, but I still think we can trick some GM into giving us something decent for him.

Oh, and I particularly don't like the idea of acquiring both of those guys together since I'd want them to play the same position as off the ball guys that play the 1 defensively.

Defensively, RoCo and Beverley take the two best perimeter players, hide LaVine on the worst. Simmons takes the 4, Embiid cleans up everything at the rim.

Offensively, Simmons has the ball, Embiid on the block. LaVine, RoCo, and Beverley space the floor; all three have to be guarded from 3 which opens up driving room for Simmons and minimizes the fact he can't shoot. Also opens up all kinds of PNR opportunities.

spikeslovechild · Post #158 » by **spikeslovechild** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:16 pm

youngcrev wrote:
TTP wrote:
phifans wrote:
I would do Jah/Noel + lal 1st for Lavine
I wouldn't do Jah/Noel for Beverly plus two garbage.
And Beverley is a little bit old for our core Im sure we may likely pick a young player as good as Beverley by using that lal 1st.

Beverley still probably has 4-5 prime years left and his game should age fairly well. I'd do Okafor for Beverley in a heartbeat.

Eh. He's very good at what he does, but he's an extremely limited player, is 28 years old, and is coming off knee surgery. He had a career year from 3 last year, so I'd expect that to come back closer to his career averages (which are still good, just not elite). He's "point guard" without ball skills. If the plan is to put 100% of the playmaking on Simmons, he's a solid fit, but I don't think they want to put that kind of pressure on him immediately.

I'm as down on Okafor as the next guy, but I still think we can trick some GM into giving us something decent for him.

Oh, and I particularly don't like the idea of acquiring both of those guys together since I'd want them to play the same position as off the ball guys that play the 1 defensively.

We need a starting guard. We already have Bayless. We don't need middling veterans.

I've said all along for Okafor I want the possibility to acquire a top prospect or young player. That doesn't appear to be happening after his struggles this season. Can't trade him at this point we'd be getting pennies on the dollar.

BoomBap · Post #159 » by **BoomBap** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:21 pm

i like middleton a lot more than lavine and i wouldn't trade jah for beverley.

TTP · Post #160 » by **TTP** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:15 pm

spikeslovechild wrote:
We need a starting guard. We already have Bayless. We don't need middling veterans.

I've said all along for Okafor I want the possibility to acquire a top prospect or young player. That doesn't appear to be happening after his struggles this season. Can't trade him at this point we'd be getting pennies on the dollar.

Beverley is a starting guard. He's one of the best 3+D guards in the NBA. Bayless is a middling veteran - he's far worse than Beverley and not starter quality.