Hypothetical - Re-draft the last few years (and un-do trades if you like)

1eyedjake · Post #1 » by **1eyedjake** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:25 am

Fun little hypothetical exercise.
Build your own Magic team from our draft positions the last 4-5 years and un-do trades that we may have done.
(Do not make trades. This is based purely on draft opportunities, and then whether to keep players we've had based on the different roster from those picks.)
This is meant to be some reflective fun, not a Hennigan bash.

I'll have a go 1st.
2013 - Giannis Antetkounpo
(disclaimer: I liked Oladipo at the time, wanted him, was happy we took him. Also, I'm aware that everyone missed on Giannis, not just us. But this is not about that.)
2014 - Dante Exum & Rodney Hood
(Again - I really like Gordon, have hoped for the best with Payton and liked what he's done at times. Also, I think Payton might be the better player right now, but again that's not what this is about.)
2015 - Devin Booker
(I'm not closed to the idea Mario could still end up being better, but it's not looking that way right now.)
2016 - Juan Hernangomez

Trades to nix: Tobias Harris to DET. Harkless for nothing (though I'm not sure I'd re-sign him at his current contract.)

Sign Biyombo & possibly Augustin (not sure the cap space would be the same...)

2016-17 roster
PG - Exum / Giannis / Augustin
SG - Fournier / Booker
SF - Hood / Harris / Booker
PF - Giannis / Harris / Harkless
C - Biyombo / Vucevic

Shooting, length... not sure it's a playoff team still but it would be damned fun, full of potential and wouldn't be far off.

tiderulz · Post #2 » by **tiderulz** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 12:55 pm

Edited:

I mentioned this before in another thread.

2013 - either Giannis/CJ McCollum
2014 - pick any 2 - TJ Warren/Nurkic/Lavine/Clarkson
2015 - either Myles Turner/Booker
2016 - Sabonis

this could have been our lineup

CJ McCollum/CJ watson
Fournier/
TJ Warren/
Myles Turner/Terrence Jones/Sabonis
Vucevic/Nurkic/Zimmerman

with a top-11 protected 1st coming from Philly this year. Add in some FA signings, that is a promising team

Nemesis21 · Post #3 » by **Nemesis21** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:02 pm

tiderulz wrote:I mentioned this before in another thread.

2013 - either Giannis/CJ McCollum
2014 - pick any 2 - TJ Warren/Nurkic/Lavine/Clarkson
2015 - either Myles Turner/Booker
2016 - Sabonis

this could have been our lineup

CJ McCollum/CJ watson
Dipo/Fournier
TJ Warren/Fournier
Myles Turner/Terrence Jones/Sabonis
Vucevic/Nurkic/Zimmerman

with a top-11 protected 1st coming from Philly this year. Add in some FA signings, that is a promising team

How did we get Dipo, if you take CJ?

yoyojw17 · Post #4 » by **yoyojw17** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:03 pm

tiderulz wrote:I mentioned this before in another thread.

2013 - either Giannis/CJ McCollum
2014 - pick any 2 - TJ Warren/Nurkic/Lavine/Clarkson
2015 - either Myles Turner/Booker
2016 - Sabonis

this could have been our lineup

CJ McCollum/CJ watson
Dipo/Fournier
TJ Warren/Fournier
Myles Turner/Terrence Jones/Sabonis
Vucevic/Nurkic/Zimmerman

with a top-11 protected 1st coming from Philly this year. Add in some FA signings, that is a promising team

don't forget.... oladipo was in the 2013 draft. But yeah.... Giannis All day erryday in my book. I actually wanted to trade down with Atlanta for their 2 pick and get giannis and gorgui dieng... giannis would have been gone and Shroeder would have been the runner up.

tiderulz · Post #5 » by **tiderulz** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:05 pm

Nemesis21 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:I mentioned this before in another thread.

2013 - either Giannis/CJ McCollum
2014 - pick any 2 - TJ Warren/Nurkic/Lavine/Clarkson
2015 - either Myles Turner/Booker
2016 - Sabonis

this could have been our lineup

CJ McCollum/CJ watson
Dipo/Fournier
TJ Warren/Fournier
Myles Turner/Terrence Jones/Sabonis
Vucevic/Nurkic/Zimmerman

with a top-11 protected 1st coming from Philly this year. Add in some FA signings, that is a promising team

How did we get Dipo, if you take CJ?

yeah, my bad. see, this hypothetical stuff messes with your head

Nemesis21 · Post #6 » by **Nemesis21** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:52 pm

I'll play along. I wouldn't undo any trades, just get a 1st back from Detroit in Harris trade.

2013: Giannis
2014: EP and Clarkson
2015: Turner
2016: Sabonis and Prince * from Detroit

FA signings: DJ and Sullinger.

EP/DJ
Fournier/Clarkson
Giannis/Prince
Sabonis/Sullinger
Turner/Vooch

Tayswagzzz · Post #7 » by **Tayswagzzz** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 2:19 pm

2013: Giannis
2014: Lavine and Warren
2015: Turner
2016: Sabonis

For our PG I would have outbid Detroit for Reggie Jackson from OKC.

Jackson/DJ
Lavine/Fournier
Harris/Warren/Harkless
Giannis/Sabonis
Turner/Vuc

That's a deadly team.

crazytown · Post #8 » by **crazytown** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 2:42 pm

This thread is a just a reminder that we don't even have a player that we can look forward to watch develop into a star night in and night out like Giannis, Embiid, Booker, Turner, CJ or TJ :cry:

1eyedjake · Post #9 » by **1eyedjake** » Thu Dec 1, 2016 11:01 am

Nemesis21 wrote:I'll play along. I wouldn't undo any trades, just get a 1st back from Detroit in Harris trade.

Please try to hold back from gifting us any extra assets other than what we know we had or could have kept. (ie, we do not know we could have got a 1st, so leave the extra 1st out of the exercise.)

It helps to keep us on topic - which is purely a draft re-do and trade nix. I think it keeps us more in line with what more easily could have been on the team, too.

Nemesis21 · Post #10 » by **Nemesis21** » Thu Dec 1, 2016 11:25 am

1eyedjake wrote:
Nemesis21 wrote:I'll play along. I wouldn't undo any trades, just get a 1st back from Detroit in Harris trade.

Please try to hold back from gifting us any extra assets other than what we know we had or could have kept. (ie, we do not know we could have got a 1st, so leave the extra 1st out of the exercise.)

It helps to keep us on topic - which is purely a draft re-do and trade nix. I think it keeps us more in line with what more easily could have been on the team, too.

Umm we definitely could have got a 1st back in the Harris trade. It's been discussed and I'm not the only one who believes we could/should have got a 1st back.

TreasureCoast · Post #11 » by **TreasureCoast** » Thu Dec 1, 2016 11:47 am

Real quickly.....Giannis and Devin Booker come to mind real quick

yoyojw17 · Post #12 » by **yoyojw17** » Thu Dec 1, 2016 12:37 pm

off the top of my head based off of the NOW...

2013: Giannis
2014: Gordon and Lavine -> possibly having traded up to get Embiid
2015: Myles Turner

This i like taking a test and knowing the answers already.... but if i was to make particular moves knowing what i know now...These are the selections I would have developed my Championship Magic Team with

OrlChamps2030 · Post #13 » by **OrlChamps2030** » Thu Dec 1, 2016 12:57 pm

2012: Draymond
2013: Giannis
2014: Gordon and LaVine
2015: Booker

Nemesis21 · Post #14 » by **Nemesis21** » Thu Dec 1, 2016 1:16 pm

Zmill wrote:2012: Draymond
2013: Giannis
2014: Gordon and LaVine
2015: Booker

And 1 for this. Should have taken him instead of Nicholson. :banghead:

nicnac215 · Post #15 » by **nicnac215** » Thu Dec 1, 2016 1:18 pm

2013: Giannis
2014: Gordon and Jokic
2015: Booker
2016: Valentine
Nix Harris trade
Have a line up of
Giannis/Watson
Booker/Valentine
Harris/Fournier
Gordon/Harris
Jokic/Vucevic

OrlChamps2030 · Post #16 » by **OrlChamps2030** » Thu Dec 1, 2016 2:17 pm

Nemesis21 wrote:
Zmill wrote:2012: Draymond
2013: Giannis
2014: Gordon and LaVine
2015: Booker

And 1 for this. Should have taken him instead of Nicholson.

Zmill on June 25, 2012 three days before the draft in the thread titled "Biggest Steal of the 2012 draft"

Zmill wrote:I could see Draymond Green being a very solid contributor off the bench for a good team like the Spurs or the Thunder. That's really all you can ask for a guy picked at the end of the first round.

His game reminds me of Robert Horry's.

No clue why we drafted a dinosaur 1980's style big out of St Bonaventure instead of the first team All American, DPOTY, national POTY out of Michigan State. :banghead:

No clue why these GMs outsmart themselves all the time

tiderulz · Post #17 » by **tiderulz** » Thu Dec 1, 2016 2:21 pm

Nemesis21 wrote:
Zmill wrote:2012: Draymond
2013: Giannis
2014: Gordon and LaVine
2015: Booker

And 1 for this. Should have taken him instead of Nicholson.

I didnt include Draymond because no one saw him coming, hence him being in the 2nd round. I was trying to think of other players predicted to go top 15-20

tiderulz · Post #18 » by **tiderulz** » Thu Dec 1, 2016 2:23 pm

Zmill wrote:
Nemesis21 wrote:
Zmill wrote:2012: Draymond
2013: Giannis
2014: Gordon and LaVine
2015: Booker

And 1 for this. Should have taken him instead of Nicholson.

Zmill on June 25, 2012 three days before the draft in the thread titled "Biggest Steal of the 2012 draft"

Zmill wrote:I could see Draymond Green being a very solid contributor off the bench for a good team like the Spurs or the Thunder. That's really all you can ask for a guy picked at the end of the first round.

His game reminds me of Robert Horry's.

No clue why we drafted a dinosaur 1980's style big out of St Bonaventure instead of the first team All American, DPOTY, national POTY out of Michigan State.

No clue why these GMs outsmart themselves all the time

i only say this because I was at Bama when Horry was there (my GF and his GF were roommates, real nice guy). Nothing like Draymond in college was Horry. Horry was a SF, deep range, good defender. Moved to PF when he slowed down some was a decent help defense shot blocker. Was not the passer that Draymond is, couldnt defend SF's once he moved to PF. I would say his game was more Ibaka than Draymond, except Horry was more craftier and actually had an inside game.

tiderulz · Post #19 » by **tiderulz** » Thu Dec 1, 2016 2:25 pm

Zmill wrote:
No clue why we drafted a dinosaur 1980's style big out of St Bonaventure instead of the first team All American, DPOTY, national POTY out of Michigan State.

No clue why these GMs outsmart themselves all the time

measurables man. We see it every year in the NFL draft, screw watching 3-4 years of tape, guy runs a fast 40, benches 225 30 times, draft him a la Tony Mandarich.

Nemesis21 · Post #20 » by **Nemesis21** » Thu Dec 1, 2016 2:42 pm

tiderulz wrote:
Nemesis21 wrote:
Zmill wrote:2012: Draymond
2013: Giannis
2014: Gordon and LaVine
2015: Booker

And 1 for this. Should have taken him instead of Nicholson.

I didnt include Draymond because no one saw him coming, hence him being in the 2nd round. I was trying to think of other players predicted to go top 15-20

I liked him in that draft, liked him at Michigan St. I was shocked that he fell to round 2.