Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season

[Dkillanyk4lyf]

This was all so predictable. You don't think he's good because he's playing well, you think he's good because he's better than what we had before.

The Rose/Noah/Lee moves have pretty much locked us into mediocrity for the foreseeable future.

Please tell us our options to improve....who we realistically have a chance to sign.....

Drose is only a 1 year rental.. courtney lee can be moved. Noah on the other hand i agree with.

[NYKMentality85]

As I've claimed & stated since day one; D.Rose is an excellent attacking/scoring PG.

And tonight he was great. 34 minutes with 25 points off of 12/16 from the field (.750%).

Also included 3 rebounds, 2 assists & 1 block.

I was focused on Rose's game during each and every possession. Don't let those two assists fool you. It's a tricky statistic and at times misleading. He setup 5 of his teammates with beautiful wide open shot attempts in which didn't fall (could've easily racked up 5-7 assists tonight).

Great game from Rose. His return to the starting lineup was beautiful (as Jennings also flourished off the bench).

[BowlRips]

I have been happy so far with Derrick's play as he is scoring the ball effectively off drives. He is getting us a lot of easy opportunities in the paint and looks really healthy b"h.
While his play has been great, he does have him flaws. Lets be honest, while hes a good playmakers, hes really not much of a playmaker for his teammates.
Someone in the postgame thread compared him to Wade from the past 2 seasons (pre 3point shot) which to me is a pretty good comparison if you think that Rose can continue his high level of play in the past 15 games.
Now Wade we know isnt a PG, but is a SG with play making abilities and I think thats what Rose is at this point in his career.

I still like a Rose and Lee backcourt but I think for the team to maximize their output they would need to put a real playmaker next to him at the PG position who has size or a SG who is a real playmaker. We have seen how effective the Rose/Jennings backcourt has been as Jennings has been that playmaker, however his size on defense is problematic.

Immediately a guy like Nicolas Batum comes to mind, but I dont think hes attainable.

If we are going to commit to Rose for the future, who would you like to pair with him in the backcourt to maximize his weaknesses

[god shammgod]

there is no money if you bring this current team back. the improvement is gonna have to come from within and with whoever you draft.

[MetaKnick13]

Bringing back Rose is such a tough question. Obviously, if Rose continues to play like this for the whole year it would be super tempting to give him a huge contract and commit to a Rose, Melo, KP unit for a few more years. HOWEVER:

As great as Rose looks, he is still injury prone like crazy. Will he pull off a Grant Hill/Bernard King combo and return to be both an effective player and an all star caliber one after multiple injuries? Or will he pull a T-Mac, finding a way to have a few solid years while still being injury prone, allowing him to get a huge contract that by the end saw McGrady barely playing at all and then finishing with us in a mostly unimpressive brief tenure?

I would love if Rose and Jennings continue to play this well. But I am also aware both are in contract year deals, heading towards the primes of their careers, but also both recovering from serious injuries. They look great now, but will they hold up through the whole season, let alone multiple seasons? They are in their late 20's, and with the injury history it makes me very afraid we will make the mistake of locking both up to huge, long term deals only to see them deteriorate before our eyes.

With Melo's contract ending in 2.5 years, it wouldnt make sense to me to commit to anything longer than 2 year deals with Rose and Jennings, given their age and injury histories, but I think some team probably will, which will force our hands and give the front office the tough decision of blowing up our PG spot in the hopes of finding a duo better than Rose/Jennings. But at the same time, committing to that duo is very risky due to age and injuries. It could really work out, I absolutely love the Rose Jennings 1-2 punch and I hope it continues to give us wins.

[Deeeez Knicks]

2013 Noah would have been a great fit on both ends.

[ChaosHamster]

Rose just isn't a good passer. And it will be a gigantic problem for a player that is a couple of years away from turning 30, where his athleticism and speed will start to fell off. And with his injury history, risk just isn't even close to worth it.

And to be honest, I don't even think Rose will want to be here. He will have a fine year, someone will for sure overpay for him, so he can be 2nd or even 1st guy on their team. because of his name. In NY, he is bound to be a 3rd give for years to come..

[EchelonNYK]

Complimenting KP

fixed it for ya.

[F N 11]

Jesus we are winning. Stop nit picking.

[Dantares]

i pegged rose as a 16-17ppg on 40% shooting PG that he has been the last few seasons. but this recent hot streak is starting to make me wonder if he is returning to all-star form again.

[BowlRips]

Jesus we are winning. Stop nit picking.

Who's nitpicking.. This is called basketball discussion. Trying to think of ideas to maximize players strengths. Comon plz

[Meat]

Rose just isn't a good passer. And it will be a gigantic problem for a player that is a couple of years away from turning 30, where his athleticism and speed will start to fell off. And with his injury history, risk just isn't even close to worth it.

And to be honest, I don't even think Rose will want to be here. He will have a fine year, someone will for sure overpay for him, so he can be 2nd or even 1st guy on their team. because of his name. In NY, he is bound to be a 3rd give for years to come..

no one will overpay him, they arent that many teams that need pg's

[Johnny Firpo]

He is playing well, but will never be a max player, ever again. I tell you how it will go down, he will want a max, the Knicks will refuse to give it to him, he'll test the market, realize that he will not get a max anywhere, and sign for 3/60, or something like that. That would probably still be overpay. If he gets injured of course, all of this becomes irrelevant. It all starts with him staying healthy all season and playing this well.

[NYKAL]

Jesus we are winning. Stop nit picking.

I said the same in the game thread. WTF does it take for Knicks fans to just ENJOY the ride.

[F N 11]

Jesus we are winning. Stop nit picking.

Who's nitpicking.. This is called basketball discussion. Trying to think of ideas to maximize players strengths. Comon plz

hes never been the Best passer. He's playing well and God knows his penetration is needed with the jump shooting happy team. Guys are not on Derricks speed. Most of the time they stand around the 3 point line instead od diving to the basket to get a pass. Rose finishes at a high clip so I'll take the 2 instead of worrying about assist. Rose is a real play maker. The same 2 he would get off assist he gets by doing it his damn self. The team overall is making plays for each other. Its not a 1 man show. We're 15th in the league in APG, and thats with 2 "Selfish" Players. also only .4 less than the clippers with 1 of the NBA's most prolific "Playmakers" .1 less assist per game than the team with the NBA's triple double machine. So individual numbers dont tell it all. Boston #3 in APG with their PG averaging 26 and 6.

Just take the W's and accept Rose is unguardable usually and makes us better.

[BowlRips]

Jesus we are winning. Stop nit picking.

Who's nitpicking.. This is called basketball discussion. Trying to think of ideas to maximize players strengths. Comon plz

hes never been the Best passer. He's playing well and God knows his penetration is needed with the jump shooting happy team. Guys are not on Derricks speed. Most of the time they stand around the 3 point line instead od diving to the basket to get a pass. Rose finishes at a high clip so I'll take the 2 instead of worrying about assist.

Agree with everything you said. As you said hes never been the best passer. Lets find someone who passes well to play next to him.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Bringing back Rose is such a tough question. Obviously, if Rose continues to play like this for the whole year it would be super tempting to give him a huge contract and commit to a Rose, Melo, KP unit for a few more years. HOWEVER:

As great as Rose looks, he is still injury prone like crazy. Will he pull off a Grant Hill/Bernard King combo and return to be both an effective player and an all star caliber one after multiple injuries? Or will he pull a T-Mac, finding a way to have a few solid years while still being injury prone, allowing him to get a huge contract that by the end saw McGrady barely playing at all and then finishing with us in a mostly unimpressive brief tenure?

I would love if Rose and Jennings continue to play this well. But I am also aware both are in contract year deals, heading towards the primes of their careers, but also both recovering from serious injuries. They look great now, but will they hold up through the whole season, let alone multiple seasons? They are in their late 20's, and with the injury history it makes me very afraid we will make the mistake of locking both up to huge, long term deals only to see them deteriorate before our eyes.

With Melo's contract ending in 2.5 years, it wouldnt make sense to me to commit to anything longer than 2 year deals with Rose and Jennings, given their age and injury histories, but I think some team probably will, which will force our hands and give the front office the tough decision of blowing up our PG spot in the hopes of finding a duo better than Rose/Jennings. But at the same time, committing to that duo is very risky due to age and injuries. It could really work out, I absolutely love the Rose Jennings 1-2 punch and I hope it continues to give us wins.

this is a tough discussion. we also don't have a ton of options. if we take rose, we're agreeing to go to war with this group. if we let him go, there is not likely to be a viable replacement. we may end up taking steps backwards in terms of being competitive. talk about adding young players, ideally we would be adding cheap young talent to the group that knows how to war. i see that group form right now. when i think of the past few years, this is pretty much where i hoped for it to be taking form.

to the OP, i want to give rose his props. he is doing well for us. "systems of basketball" should make the definition of the positions less important. what's key is what we know rose to do, penetrate and make plays. i love that he is either eating the free candy in the paint or getting rid of it. that's what he needs to do. that pressure is a catalyst for the offense that opens things up for everyone else.

[Johnny Hoops]

Have to say that the thing I've been equally surprised with "pleasantly" with both Rose/Jennings is their D.

Rose has shown me he's actually a smart defender that understands his opponents strengths/weaknesses -- Rose most often likes to go under perimeter screens and for the most part will sacrifice the perimeter jump shot in an attempt to keep folks out of the paint.

I also think his attacking offensive style puts opponent PG's on the defense and sometimes takes his opponent out of their game.

Jennings is more of a ball pressure guy (something I did not think he did) -- love that he extends pressure and is aggressive in swiping at the ball -- in addition he's pretty damn good at moving his feet (particularly when he is focused) and keeping guys in front of him.

Both guys aren't perfect and both lapse -- do dumb things but our PG play is Light-years ahead of what we have seen the previous 10 or so years.

Hope they stay healthy. Rose decision on whether to re-up him during Summer is a HUGE gamble --- Jennings on the other hand that cat can play for Knicks anytime as far as I'm concerned -- just like his attitude.

[doesntmatterz]

Jesus we are winning. Stop nit picking.

Who's nitpicking.. This is called basketball discussion. Trying to think of ideas to maximize players strengths. Comon plz

hes never been the Best passer. He's playing well and God knows his penetration is needed with the jump shooting happy team. Guys are not on Derricks speed. Most of the time they stand around the 3 point line instead od diving to the basket to get a pass. Rose finishes at a high clip so I'll take the 2 instead of worrying about assist. Rose is a real play maker. The same 2 he would get off assist he gets by doing it his damn self. The team overall is making plays for each other. Its not a 1 man show. We're 15th in the league in APG, and thats with 2 "Selfish" Players. also only .4 less than the clippers with 1 of the NBA's most prolific "Playmakers" .1 less assist per game than the team with the NBA's triple double machine. So individual numbers dont tell it all. Boston #3 in APG with their PG averaging 26 and 6.

Just take the W's and accept Rose is unguardable usually and makes us better.

Wow Amen!!!!

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[Capn'O]

there is no money if you bring this current team back. the improvement is gonna have to come from within and with whoever you draft.

Barring major injury, it's looking more and more like that's what's gonna happen. And we'll be lucky to retain Jennings.
I think we should _try_ to retain both Jennings and Holiday.