The Trade Thread, 2016-17 (2.0)

Homerclease · Post #1641 » by **Homerclease** » Wed Dec 28, 2016 12:38 am

Celts17Pride wrote:People need to get over the fact that some players are available. They are available for a reason.

Amazing how the Celtics are over .500 when all their players are so bad and everyone else's players are so good

r0drig0lac · Post #1642 » by **r0drig0lac** » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:14 am

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Writebloc · Post #1643 » by **Writebloc** » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:17 am

Personally think that Rozier is on the block right now. Unless Danny is selling out for cap space in free agency it just feels like he maybe part of a bigger package.

Gomes3PC · Post #1644 » by **Gomes3PC** » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:20 am

Writebloc wrote:Personally think that Rozier is on the block right now. Unless Danny is selling out for cap space in free agency it just feels like he maybe part of a bigger package.

It's an odd strategy to have a guy on the block and then start giving him DNPs.

Writebloc · Post #1645 » by **Writebloc** » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:27 am

Gomes3PC wrote:
Writebloc wrote:Personally think that Rozier is on the block right now. Unless Danny is selling out for cap space in free agency it just feels like he maybe part of a bigger package.

It's an odd strategy to have a guy on the block and then start giving him DNPs.

He's already shown his worth, they don't want to get him injured. Noel is also in the same position.

Gomes3PC · Post #1646 » by **Gomes3PC** » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:30 am

Writebloc wrote:
Gomes3PC wrote:
Writebloc wrote:Personally think that Rozier is on the block right now. Unless Danny is selling out for cap space in free agency it just feels like he maybe part of a bigger package.

It's an odd strategy to have a guy on the block and then start giving him DNPs.

He's already shown his worth, they don't want to get him injured. Noel is also in the same position.

They're not playing Noel because they are trying to showcase Okafor to move him, but that's JMO.

jfs1000d · Post #1647 » by **jfs1000d** » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:37 am

Homerclease wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:People need to get over the fact that some players are available. They are available for a reason.

Amazing how the Celtics are over .500 when all their players are so bad and everyone else's players are so good

Exactly.

We want players from teams that suck and give up our best players from a team that is good.

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Green89 · Post #1648 » by **Green89** » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:37 am

Dragic sitting with back spasms. Could be a deal on the horizon. I hope he goes out West rather than help out an East foe.

Writebloc · Post #1649 » by **Writebloc** » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:37 am

Gomes3PC wrote:
Writebloc wrote:
Gomes3PC wrote:It's an odd strategy to have a guy on the block and then start giving him DNPs.

He's already shown his worth, they don't want to get him injured. Noel is also in the same position.

They're not playing Noel because they are trying to showcase Okafor to move him, but that's JMO.

That showcasing isn't exactly working in the Sixers favor?

rmal8852 · Post #1650 » by **rmal8852** » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:40 am

Green89 wrote:Dragic sitting with back spasms. Could be a deal on the horizon. I hope he goes out West rather than help out an East foe.

There were rumblings earlier in the year about Dragic to the Kings for Gay and Collision.

Gomes3PC · Post #1651 » by **Gomes3PC** » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:49 am

I really wish Tyson Chandler's deal weren't so long. Even at his age, he's basically the exact big we need to play 20 MPG here.

LobCityRondo2KG · Post #1652 » by **LobCityRondo2KG** » Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:47 am

How about trading for James Johnson on Miami? We could do like a james young and Jordan Mickey for James Johnson type deal..

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jfs1000d · Post #1653 » by **jfs1000d** » Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:56 am

cl2117 wrote:
chrisab123 wrote:
cl2117 wrote:I would think that's pretty obvious, no? It benefits us most long term to have Brown develop as soon as possible. We need to know what we have in him so we can keep building accordingly. I mean a better question is why wouldn't you want him to develop quicker?

We're not talking about relying on him as a starter, but I think it's reasonable to expect the #3 pick to be able to run with your 2nd unit during his rookie year even if you're a playoff team, without it being a disaster and with him getting better as time goes on. I mean obviously we'd be better off with Gay or a similar level vet taking on that role instead, but that's just in the short term. Long term we'd be much better suited to have Brown take on that duty and develop, despite the inevitable miscues that he'll make as a rookie.

This team isn't winning a championship this year barring a trade that brings in a name much bigger than Rudy Gay, so it behooves us to think longer term and in that lens Brown is clearly a better option at that wing spot with our 2nd unit.

It's a big difference between someone 23 years old and 4 years of college rather than a 19 year old who is one of the youngest players in the game. If you overload him early and throw him in the fire its unpresidented. KG Kobe TMac all never received 20-25 minutes a night. Bring him along slowly. He's not ready and you see it the majority of the time on the court. But he shows flashes here and there which speaks well to his long term value.

No it's not.

KG got 29 mins a game his rookie year, Tracy got 18 a game, Kobe got 15.5 a game, John Wall averaged over 30, Rose averaged over 30, KAT averaged over 30, KD over 30, Irving over 30, Melo over 30. Giannis averaged 25, Howard averaged over 30, Devin Booker averaged 27, Jamal Murray is averaging 20, Ingram is averaging 27.

I don't know what you're talking about. All those guys are one and done or straight from highschool and averaged 20 a game other than TMAC and Kobe. It's totally not unprecedented to give a young kid 20-25 minutes. Heck the only time KG averaged under 20 a game in his ENTIRE career was his final year when he was 40.

Most of those guys weren't on playoff teams, but to suggest it'd hurt their development seems like a stretch. Really you just run the risk of losing a couple games because he's not ready, I acknowledge that, but again you gotta look at it long-term.

Brown is not playing because he isn't producing. If you want him to play him despite his performance, send him to the Lakers. Ingram has been awful. As has Kris dunn. I think brown is playing as much as he deserves.

cl2117 · Post #1654 » by **cl2117** » Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:15 am

jfs1000d wrote:Brown is not playing because he isn't producing. If you want him to play him despite his performance, send him to the Lakers. Ingram has been awful. As has Kris dunn. I think brown is playing as much as he deserves.

I'm not suggesting he deserves 20+ minutes a night nor am I suggesting Brad give him that kind of time regardless. I was just using those examples to prove his argument that is was "unprecedented" to have a guy Jaylen's age playing significant minutes is just flat out false.

What I am saying though is that it shouldn't be a pure meritocracy when you've got a #3 pick on your bench. When and where possible he should be rolled out there even if he's not producing so he gets more opportunities to learn. It's the best way to get him to develop quicker.

I'm fine with games like tonight where Green has the hot hand and Brown gets a handful of minutes because of it. But despite his failure to produce thus far, he needs to keep getting opportunities.

Celts17Pride · Post #1655 » by **Celts17Pride** » Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:19 am

Jaylen Brown will get more opportunities the more he produces. It's up to him

jmr07019 · Post #1656 » by **jmr07019** » Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:40 am

If I'm trying to put a title team together quickly I think you need to trade for one of Butler or George and then sign Griffin in FA.

Crowder, Brown, Rozier, KO, zizic, yabs 2017 Brooklyn pick, 2018 Brooklyn pick, Memphis pick and they have to at least think about it right?

Sign Griffin.

Smart
Bradley
George
Griffin
Horford
6th man - IT

FlatearthZorro · Post #1657 » by **FlatearthZorro** » Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:06 am

LobCityRondo2KG wrote:How about trading for James Johnson on Miami? We could do like a james young and Jordan Mickey for James Johnson type deal..

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James is a vet min guy. He's been a bench cheerleader for a while. Not worth any kind of assets.

AgentGreen · Post #1658 » by **AgentGreen** » Wed Dec 28, 2016 12:26 pm

Man... Someones going to make a move on Bogut soon and i hope its us. We only need a inside presence thats all, someone who can crash the glas for us. I really think that we can seriously make it to the ECF with him.

I hope that Cuban is realising its time to tank now for the Mavs. Just send the vets like Dirk to a team where he can fight for another ring and start the tank.

What would it cost us to get Bogut?

jmr07019 · Post #1659 » by **jmr07019** » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:01 pm

AgentGreen wrote:Man... Someones going to make a move on Bogut soon and i hope its us. We only need a inside presence thats all, someone who can crash the glas for us. I really think that we can seriously make it to the ECF with him.

I hope that Cuban is realising its time to tank now for the Mavs. Just send the vets like Dirk to a team where he can fight for another ring and start the tank.

What would it cost us to get Bogut?

I'm more interested in Dirk. Maybe a worse fit but certainly a better player. Would Cuban help out Dirk and send him to a contender for his final year? Does Dirk even want that? If the answers are yes we are one of the few pretenders that can send out salary to match Dirk's 20 million dollar deal. Amir + Zeller + 2nds = Dirk.

Kaykoose · Post #1660 » by **Kaykoose** » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:08 pm

jmr07019 wrote:If I'm trying to put a title team together quickly I think you need to trade for one of Butler or George and then sign Griffin in FA.

Crowder, Brown, Rozier, KO, zizic, yabs 2017 Brooklyn pick, 2018 Brooklyn pick, Memphis pick and they have to at least think about it right?

Sign Griffin.

Smart
Bradley
George
Griffin
Horford
6th man - IT

Damn... I thought IT had quieted the 6th man talk down with his ~26 PER