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Re: 49ers GM & HC News & Rumors 

Post#281 » by Pattersonca65 » Thu Jan 5, 2017 11:53 pm

wco81 wrote:They drafted Lockett.

Paul Richardson didn't look bad before he blew out his knee.

They also got Rawls and it seems Probice was looking good for them too.



I don't think Seattle's recent drafts have been anything to write home about, particularly offensive picks. Rawls was undrafted so there is little downside but he is starting to look like a backup player. Undersized guy who is injury prone who hasn't done much when he played this year. I've noticed even Hawk fans have come down on their expectations of him. They have a number of WR busts and I haven't seen anything yet from Richardson that he is anything more than average player.
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Post#282 » by ChrisPozz » Fri Jan 6, 2017 1:04 am

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Considering a lot of the names they are talking to are considered the up and comers it doesn't seem like they needed consultation. And one of the problems with getting a consultant is they tend to just steer you towards their own guys so in this case I think it's better to be free to talk to guys from all different backgrounds.

And consultation isn't going to solve the #1 problem the team has which is the reputation of ownership. Outside the ownership's reputation, it's about as appealing of a job for a GM as there could be hench why they likely have so many interviews for it int he first place.


Not that all firms do bad work, but there are dozens of horror stories on the type of return some of these teams have gotten from the work these search firms have given teams. I am starting to DESPISE these organizations that still hire so many of these firms to come up with a list of names. I have read and have heard that often it's stuff that any dialed in sports reporter could come up with via their own league wide connections. It's becoming an outdated way of doing things IMO.

The only times I would tend to be less vocal with these search firms is when it's an owner who is disconnected league wide and has next to nothing for relationships with anybody in the league other than the people in his own organization.


When he says consultant I wonder if he means hiring a search form or hiring a former front office person like a Shanahan or someone like that to help in the search.


I was going off of the part at the bottom when he said this:

Spending a couple hundred thousands on a firm to do a diligent search on our behalf and then provide us with reasons why a candidate would be best suited for that particular position is not a bad idea in my opinion.
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Post#283 » by Ray_Dogg » Fri Jan 6, 2017 1:07 am

49ers interviewing Gutekunst now. Finished up with Wolf.
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Re: 49ers GM & HC News & Rumors 

Post#284 » by ChrisPozz » Fri Jan 6, 2017 1:25 am

If you need a reminder:



49ers interviews

Wednesday: Buffalo interim head coach Anthony Lynn (coach)

Thursday: Green Bay director of player personnel Brian Gutekunst (GM); Green Bay director of football operations Eliot Wolf (GM)

Friday: Minnesota assistant general manager George Paton (GM); Atlanta offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan (coach)

Saturday: New England offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels (coach); New England director of player personnel Nick Caserio (GM)

Monday: Washington offensive coordinator Sean McVay (coach); Carolina defensive coordinator Sean McDermott (coach)

TBA: Miami defensive coordinator Vance Joseph (coach); ESPN analyst Louis Riddick (GM); Indianapolis vice president of football operations Jimmy Raye III (GM); Seattle offensive line/assistant head coach Tom Cable (coach); Seattle co-director of player personnel Scott Fitterer (GM); Seattle co-director of player personnel Trent Kirchner (GM); Carolina assistant general manager Brandon Beane (GM).
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Post#285 » by wartyOne » Fri Jan 6, 2017 7:17 am

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Ray_Dogg wrote:The valid knock on Paraag is leaks, no doubt. He had a title stripped and I haven't seen anyone suspect him since of leaking info.


There are a lot not valid knocks than just the leaks and a title is just that, a title. It appears he is still very much involved in football related matters. I am sure there are 1000's more qualified people out there the York's can turn to for assistance in their GM and coaching search


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Re: 49ers GM & HC News & Rumors 

Post#286 » by wartyOne » Fri Jan 6, 2017 7:31 am

49er4life1979 wrote:Jan 5 - 10:22 AM


I think Cable is a good position coach and the poor oline play in Seattle is not his fault. Seattle has the worst oline talent in the league because they have decided not to spend any money on the oline and it has been a turnstile of players. That being said, Tomsula was a really good position coach too. I know Cable is better than Tomsula but lets not promote another position coach to HC. The odds of success are not good. Al Davis promoted him because no decent HC candidates would go to the Raiders.[/quote]

I cannot imagine them hiring Cable. Maybe want to just pick his brain about the Seahawks and how they view the 49ers.[/quote]

I ABSOLUTELY can imagine them hiring Cable. In fact, the more I think about it I'm beginning to think I'd be shocked if they DIDN'T hire him.
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Post#287 » by wartyOne » Fri Jan 6, 2017 7:38 am

Bingo_AlphaMan wrote:The Yorks should have hired a consultant to at least give us some credible names to interview out there in the market. It's a moot point now because they've already started the search; and it may sound stupid because the NFL business is pretty much consist of small world where everyone knows each other in that industry (so why hire a consultant when the circle is so small and thus you could do the search yourself). For that reason I'm sure it sounds stupid to spend money on a consultant to help you sort out options... but the Yorks seems clueless in being able to identify the people with the brightest minds to do this job. Spending a couple hundred thousands on a firm to do a diligent search on our behalf and then provide us with reasons why a candidate would be best suited for that particular position is not a bad idea in my opinion. The Yorks need all the help they can in getting a right GM and I'm not so confident that they'll be able to not let their own biases interfere in the selection process.


Of course they don't. That's a ridiculous assertion. Just ask Jed, or his pal Pargie (yes, I'm intentionally spelling his name incorrectly every time I spell it from now on unless he does something that rremotelyresembles a positive move for this franchise).

Of course, I'm being completely sarcastic. I envision this search will go as poorly as they all have with the exception of stumbling upon Harbaugh who happened to say "Sure, I guess."
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Re: 49ers GM & HC News & Rumors 

Post#288 » by Bingo_AlphaMan » Fri Jan 6, 2017 2:44 pm

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Bingo_AlphaMan wrote:The Yorks should have hired a consultant to at least give us some credible names to interview out there in the market. It's a moot point now because they've already started the search; and it may sound stupid because the NFL business is pretty much consist of small world where everyone knows each other in that industry (so why hire a consultant when the circle is so small and thus you could do the search yourself). For that reason I'm sure it sounds stupid to spend money on a consultant to help you sort out options... but the Yorks seems clueless in being able to identify the people with the brightest minds to do this job. Spending a couple hundred thousands on a firm to do a diligent search on our behalf and then provide us with reasons why a candidate would be best suited for that particular position is not a bad idea in my opinion. The Yorks need all the help they can in getting a right GM and I'm not so confident that they'll be able to not let their own biases interfere in the selection process.


Of course they don't. That's a ridiculous assertion. Just ask Jed, or his pal Pargie (yes, I'm intentionally spelling his name incorrectly every time I spell it from now on unless he does something that rremotelyresembles a positive move for this franchise).

Of course, I'm being completely sarcastic. I envision this search will go as poorly as they all have with the exception of stumbling upon Harbaugh who happened to say "Sure, I guess."


Fans are okay in allowing Jed to find the right person for the job. The man needs help with this tumultuous task. 4 years from now everyone here will place blame on the new GM for being inept, but the reality is that it was never this person's fault to begin with because he was not totally qualified to perform that role.

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Re: 49ers GM & HC News & Rumors 

Post#289 » by 49er4life1979 » Fri Jan 6, 2017 4:01 pm

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wco81 wrote:They drafted Lockett.

Paul Richardson didn't look bad before he blew out his knee.

They also got Rawls and it seems Probice was looking good for them too.



I don't think Seattle's recent drafts have been anything to write home about, particularly offensive picks. Rawls was undrafted so there is little downside but he is starting to look like a backup player. Undersized guy who is injury prone who hasn't done much when he played this year. I've noticed even Hawk fans have come down on their expectations of him. They have a number of WR busts and I haven't seen anything yet from Richardson that he is anything more than average player.


Yea not much on offense since Russell Wilson. Baldwin is a very good WR but he was undrafted. Same with Kearse, though Kearse is not on Baldwin's level. Lockett has potential though.
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Post#290 » by clyde21 » Fri Jan 6, 2017 4:34 pm

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Not that all firms do bad work, but there are dozens of horror stories on the type of return some of these teams have gotten from the work these search firms have given teams. I am starting to DESPISE these organizations that still hire so many of these firms to come up with a list of names. I have read and have heard that often it's stuff that any dialed in sports reporter could come up with via their own league wide connections. It's becoming an outdated way of doing things IMO.

The only times I would tend to be less vocal with these search firms is when it's an owner who is disconnected league wide and has next to nothing for relationships with anybody in the league other than the people in his own organization.


When he says consultant I wonder if he means hiring a search form or hiring a former front office person like a Shanahan or someone like that to help in the search.


I was going off of the part at the bottom when he said this:

Spending a couple hundred thousands on a firm to do a diligent search on our behalf and then provide us with reasons why a candidate would be best suited for that particular position is not a bad idea in my opinion.


Never understood why teams do this. What makes these 'search firms' qualified enough to find a GM/coach for an NFL franchise?
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Post#291 » by wco81 » Fri Jan 6, 2017 5:23 pm

What makes Jed and Paraag qualified?

You would hope they have a gameplay, like some internal rankings of candidates that they're ready to change based on the interviews.

But for all we know, they looked at other team's org charts and picked people. The way they're adding more candidates makes you think that.
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Post#292 » by Bingo_AlphaMan » Fri Jan 6, 2017 6:50 pm

wco81 wrote:What makes Jed and Paraag qualified?

You would hope they have a gameplay, like some internal rankings of candidates that they're ready to change based on the interviews.

But for all we know, they looked at other team's org charts and picked people. The way they're adding more candidates makes you think that.


Those are some of the concerns I was trying to raised. People are putting their faith in those two clowns to be able to select the right GM for us. Consulting firms does more than just provide you with potential names of candidates. The information they provide goes really in depth (depending on the firm) which can be invaluable when deciding which candidates to select in the final phase. Some firms are required to give you personal information and other pertinent things that the candidate themselves would not have disclosed to you otherwise. Without a third party support, York and Paraag are only playing a game of Eeny, meeny, miny, moe - by simply looking at other organizations flow chart.
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Post#293 » by ChrisPozz » Fri Jan 6, 2017 7:42 pm

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Post#294 » by CalamityX12 » Fri Jan 6, 2017 9:37 pm

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wco81 wrote:What makes Jed and Paraag qualified?

You would hope they have a gameplay, like some internal rankings of candidates that they're ready to change based on the interviews.

But for all we know, they looked at other team's org charts and picked people. The way they're adding more candidates makes you think that.


Those are some of the concerns I was trying to raised. People are putting their faith in those two clowns to be able to select the right GM for us. Consulting firms does more than just provide you with potential names of candidates. The information they provide goes really in depth (depending on the firm) which can be invaluable when deciding which candidates to select in the final phase. Some firms are required to give you personal information and other pertinent things that the candidate themselves would not have disclosed to you otherwise. Without a third party support, York and Paraag are only playing a game of Eeny, meeny, miny, moe - by simply looking at other organizations flow chart.

what people? LOL

as fans, we can't do squat!
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Post#295 » by ChrisPozz » Fri Jan 6, 2017 9:44 pm

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wco81 wrote:What makes Jed and Paraag qualified?

You would hope they have a gameplay, like some internal rankings of candidates that they're ready to change based on the interviews.

But for all we know, they looked at other team's org charts and picked people. The way they're adding more candidates makes you think that.


Those are some of the concerns I was trying to raised. People are putting their faith in those two clowns to be able to select the right GM for us. Consulting firms does more than just provide you with potential names of candidates. The information they provide goes really in depth (depending on the firm) which can be invaluable when deciding which candidates to select in the final phase. Some firms are required to give you personal information and other pertinent things that the candidate themselves would not have disclosed to you otherwise. Without a third party support, York and Paraag are only playing a game of Eeny, meeny, miny, moe - by simply looking at other organizations flow chart.

what people? LOL

as fans, we can't do squat!


Thank goodness.
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Post#296 » by CalamityX12 » Fri Jan 6, 2017 9:55 pm

ChrisPozz wrote:
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Those are some of the concerns I was trying to raised. People are putting their faith in those two clowns to be able to select the right GM for us. Consulting firms does more than just provide you with potential names of candidates. The information they provide goes really in depth (depending on the firm) which can be invaluable when deciding which candidates to select in the final phase. Some firms are required to give you personal information and other pertinent things that the candidate themselves would not have disclosed to you otherwise. Without a third party support, York and Paraag are only playing a game of Eeny, meeny, miny, moe - by simply looking at other organizations flow chart.

what people? LOL

as fans, we can't do squat!


Thank goodness.

for the most part, yes. This is a good thing. lol
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Post#297 » by ChrisPozz » Fri Jan 6, 2017 10:07 pm

Alex Marvez:

Source tells @sn_nfl that @Browns making change at defensive coordinator. Offered job to Gregg Williams; Wade Phillips also contacted

Meaning they'll be in the hunt now as well for some of these names. And if you're unaware, Ray Horton was their defensive coordinator. 49ers fans should remember him well from when he was the Cardinals DC for a short period prior to his Browns, Titans, and Browns again, positions.
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Post#298 » by ChrisPozz » Fri Jan 6, 2017 10:09 pm

Ben Volin:

Three 3-hour interviews for McDaniels on Saturday, with a 1-hour break in between each. A marathon day of speed-dating

Will have more on this in Sunday Notes, but most attractive job for McDaniels looks like the 49ers -- IF York can commit to a full rebuild
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Post#299 » by ChrisPozz » Fri Jan 6, 2017 10:12 pm

PATRIOTS' DAY COULD BE PIVOTAL IN 49ERS' COACH-GM SEARCH

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/patriots-day-could-be-pivotal-49ers-coach-gm-search

Widely considered the hottest of the NFL coaching candidates, McDaniels is scheduled to have three-hour interviews with Jacksonville, Los Angeles and the 49ers. He will have one-hour breaks between those interviews, a source told CSNBayArea.com.

The Patriots’ playoff schedule dictates that the interviews will last an hour less than typical. Because New England opens its Super Bowl quest on Saturday, Jan. 14, coach Bill Belichick requested his coaches conclude all their interviews in time to get back to work full time on Sunday to begin preparations on a normal seven-day work week.

The 49ers have received permission to interview Patriots director of player personnel Nick Caserio, a source said. But it’s still unclear whether Caserio will take part in an interview for the 49ers’ general manager position or whether he is content to remain as the Patriots’ top personnel executive.

One league source described any talks that take place with the top candidates: “You’re not interviewing them as much as they’re interviewing you,” he said.

If Caserio remains with New England, it does not appear to be a deal-breaker for McDaniels, who could be comfortable working with ESPN analyst Louis Riddick or Green Bay director of football operations Eliot Wolf. The 49ers interviewed Wolf and Packers director of player personnel Brian Gutekunst on Thursday.
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Post#300 » by ChrisPozz » Fri Jan 6, 2017 10:16 pm

ChrisPozz wrote:PATRIOTS' DAY COULD BE PIVOTAL IN 49ERS' COACH-GM SEARCH

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/patriots-day-could-be-pivotal-49ers-coach-gm-search

Widely considered the hottest of the NFL coaching candidates, McDaniels is scheduled to have three-hour interviews with Jacksonville, Los Angeles and the 49ers. He will have one-hour breaks between those interviews, a source told CSNBayArea.com.

The Patriots’ playoff schedule dictates that the interviews will last an hour less than typical. Because New England opens its Super Bowl quest on Saturday, Jan. 14, coach Bill Belichick requested his coaches conclude all their interviews in time to get back to work full time on Sunday to begin preparations on a normal seven-day work week.

The 49ers have received permission to interview Patriots director of player personnel Nick Caserio, a source said. But it’s still unclear whether Caserio will take part in an interview for the 49ers’ general manager position or whether he is content to remain as the Patriots’ top personnel executive.

One league source described any talks that take place with the top candidates: “You’re not interviewing them as much as they’re interviewing you,” he said.

If Caserio remains with New England, it does not appear to be a deal-breaker for McDaniels, who could be comfortable working with ESPN analyst Louis Riddick or Green Bay director of football operations Eliot Wolf. The 49ers interviewed Wolf and Packers director of player personnel Brian Gutekunst on Thursday.


The part that drives me a little bit crazy because I am sure there are noticeable differences in your upper echelon names versus guys who are still finding their way, but the whole thing on the source saying "you're not interviewing them as much as they're interviewing you" like they're re-inventing the way interviews are being conducted? C'mon.

If you're interviewing anybody who isn't taking anything from you or doesn't want to pull information out of you then you're interviewing a a pure schlub and he should be disqualified from consideration almost immediately. And the fact this stuff is often said about Patriots employees like they JUST GET IT more so than allllllllllllllllll these other names in the league, so stupid and maddening. Tired of that.

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