Trade Thread 2017: Not Once, Not twice, But Thrice!

[Captain_Caveman]

and you want people to take you seriously?

Short term loss, long term win. Hezonja at 21 makes Bradley at 21 look like a D-leaguer.

You can't compare Bradley at his peak, after 6 years in the league, to a 21 year old Hezonja in his second season.

Dude is 6'8", crazy hops, his stroke so far derailed by inconsistent minutes. Has a lot of issues, but nothing atypical for a young player. Nothing but inexperience stopping him from being a good defender.

Avery is a year away from free agency, we have Smart and Jaylen to get minutes at the 2, and our lotto pick is probably bringing us a guard.

We can debate this, but at least come with some criticism of Hezonja, or defense of keeping Bradley.

I'm sorry dude, but when you come with complete nonsense like trading Bradley for Hezonja the burden of proof is on you to try and at least make some realistic argument for it.

It would be like saying the Earth would do better without the Sun and then getting angry that people are dismissing the statement without arguing against the statement.

Not just that he's young and plays the same position. Least you forget we already have a player that shares those traits and even has the last name Young on this team. The player you're mentioning isn't lack for minutes either, last year as a rookie he played 18mpg. That's a solid rotational amount of minutes and depending on the coach you're playing for 6th man levels of minutes. And proceeded to come in this year and lost his rotational spot with the protection of his high draft pick fading off.

I'm a big Bradley guy, but yes, you trade him for Hezonja wth no hesitation.

[Captain_Caveman]

Stephen A Smith was on the Michael Kay show and said Melo is gone by the trade deadline, and will waive his NTC to three teams. The Clippers. The Cavs.... and the Boston Celtics...

Why do I have a terrible feeling Ainge is gunna punt on future cap space and trade for this guy. He won't trade a BKN pick/Brown, but i can envision Ainge taking him on for expirings + the Memphis pick. And I'd hate that.

Eh, really? Has Smith got connections?

I would add Melo if the cost was just our expirings and a future pick (non BKN)

Smith was way early on a KG/PP trade to the Clippers.

He had Griffin involved as well, which was laughable, but very noteworthy that his rumor also involved us "trading" Doc Rivers to them as part of the deal.

Switch Griffin for DeAndre, and it is exactly what nearly happened months later.

[Captain_Caveman]

What's the value of Vucevic? Supposedly Orlando offered Vucevic and a 1st for Dragic, but Miami already has a center.

If Boston got involved in a 3 way deal, Vucevic would solve Boston's rebounding problem, but not sure what else he'd help with.

I was about to bring this up, but was going to swing a little bigger: Whiteside going to us. I don't think we will have any interest in Vucevic at all.

With Vucevic it's possible to maintain max space this offseason, with Whiteside it is not

Whiteside >>> max cap space this summer.

[Writebloc]

I was about to bring this up, but was going to swing a little bigger: Whiteside going to us. I don't think we will have any interest in Vucevic at all.

With Vucevic it's possible to maintain max space this offseason, with Whiteside it is not

Whiteside >>> max cap space this summer.

Am I reading this right? You want Whiteside? No offense, but isn't Hassan Boogie lite?

[Captain_Caveman]

With Vucevic it's possible to maintain max space this offseason, with Whiteside it is not

Whiteside >>> max cap space this summer.

Am I reading this right? You want Whiteside? No offense, but isn't Hassan Boogie lite?

Didn't say give up a Nets pick for him.

[Marvel]

FOH, Hezonja can continue sitting his scrub ass on that bench. Trading AB for a scrub is a no brainer amirite?

[Andrew McCeltic]

Bradley, Jerebko to ORL, Vucevic, Rozier, Zeller to MIA, Whiteside, Hezonja to BOS?

Not a Whiteside fan, think he's flawed, overrated, like a lazy, stat-stuffing Gobert. But very good.

[Andrew McCeltic]

FOH, Hezonja can continue sitting his scrub ass on that bench. Trading AB for a scrub is a no brainer amirite?

Why's he a scrub?

[Marvel]

FOH, Hezonja can continue sitting his scrub ass on that bench. Trading AB for a scrub is a no brainer amirite?

Why's he a scrub?

He can't get minutes over another scrub like Meeks. Even when Elfrid Payton was playing like crap he could still get minutes in the low 20s, Mario? Could only sniff the floor in garbage time.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Crowder, Young, Mickey, LAC first to Orlando
Amir, Zeller, Rozier, Hezonja, Memphis pick to NY
Ibaka, Melo to Boston.

Still not sold but an interesting idea.

Can see Ainge adding a second scorer in Melo and a defensive big like Ibaka, who can shoot the 3 and space the floor.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Ainge help facilitate Dragic to Orlando and sending Zeller, the MEM, BOSTON 2018 and LAC picks to Miami, and getting Ibaka.

Then dealing Crowder, Rozier and Amir for Melo, with Amir going to a 3rd team. Crowder has better advanced stats than Melo, but he plays for a crap team too.

[BRUNiNHO91]

Crowder, Young, Mickey, LAC first to Orlando
Amir, Zeller, Rozier, Hezonja, Memphis pick to NY
Ibaka, Melo to Boston.

Still not sold but an interesting idea.

Can see Ainge adding a second scorer in Melo and a defensive big like Ibaka, who can shoot the 3 and space the floor.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Ainge help facilitate Dragic to Orlando and sending Zeller, the MEM, BOSTON 2018 and LAC picks to Miami, and getting Ibaka.

Then dealing Crowder, Rozier and Amir for Melo, with Amir going to a 3rd team. Crowder has better advanced stats than Melo, but he plays for a crap team too.

Crowder, Rozier and Amir for Melo is too much. Knicks fans would kidnap La La and only let her go once Anthony agreed to a trde here if they knew that offer was on the table. Not even saying that because he's not worth those guys..but because it's more value than anybody else would give them..this is a guy that would only wave his clause for 2 or 3 teams, teams that would not offer anything even close to that package..so you're out bidding yourself there. Expirings and a pick is more than enough..Amir, Zeller, Young and one of the bottom of the barrel picks is as far as I'm going..dude has a massive trade kicker and him and Horford would take up 60% of our cap for the next 3 seasons..only way this makes any sense at all is if you keep Bradley and Crowder and package them on a godfather offer for Butler next summer.

Isaiah, Butler, Melo, Ibaka and Horford..does that beat Golden State? If not then pass. I'm all for getting Ibaka on that expiring contract and giving him and Horford a try out of 30 or so games + playoffs..if it doesn't work out you let him walk in the summer. They just traded Oladipo for him though so I can't imagine he would come cheap..

[Writebloc]

Whiteside >>> max cap space this summer.

Am I reading this right? You want Whiteside? No offense, but isn't Hassan Boogie lite?

Didn't say give up a Nets pick for him.

No, I get it. I'm just surprised you'd be willing to kick the tires. I don't know what to think about Whiteside. Perfect skillset for what the Celtics need, just not sure he is willing to fit in a role?

[Andrew McCeltic]

FOH, Hezonja can continue sitting his scrub ass on that bench. Trading AB for a scrub is a no brainer amirite?

Why's he a scrub?

He can't get minutes over another scrub like Meeks. Even when Elfrid Payton was playing like crap he could still get minutes in the low 20s, Mario? Could only sniff the floor in garbage time.

Meeks is two years removed from good D and a great 3-point shooting season for the Lakers. Jaylen Brown hasn't been able to beat out Jonas Jerebko for minutes. You have to have a read on where a player is developmentally, and which of the difficulties he's having are likely to be ironed out by experience.

[Andrew McCeltic]

If we got Whiteside and Melo while keeping 4-5 of Bradley, Smart, Brown and the BKN picks, I might do that because the shortfall in the win-now moves would be balanced out by the win-later assets.

IT/Bradley-or-Smart/Melo/Horford/Whiteside loses something in team offense and ball movement, but has so much more raw power (Melo's scoring; Whiteside's boards and blocks) it's a contending team.

[Captain_Caveman]

Am I reading this right? You want Whiteside? No offense, but isn't Hassan Boogie lite?

Didn't say give up a Nets pick for him.

No, I get it. I'm just surprised you'd be willing to kick the tires. I don't know what to think about Whiteside. Perfect skillset for what the Celtics need, just not sure he is willing to fit in a role?

No, you are probably right when it gets down to the actual trade offer we'd have to make. I just don't think that preserving cap room is the reason to pass on Whiteside in and of itself. Be shocked if we got a guy that good if we went that route.

Barring already a secret FA agreement with Hayward already in place, who we might not even be able to afford, out of all the possible moves out there, I am most down with trading for Millsap, tbh. Wouldn't cost much, fills a need, could be resigned reasonably.

[Curmudgeon]

Heck, bring in Millsap, trade Bradley to the Pacers for Teague and we could be the Hawks 2.0.

If you don't care about preserving cap space the guy who fits is Tyson Chandler for about a dozen reasons, starting with the fact that he would be cheaper than Millsap.

[Marvel]

Why's he a scrub?

He can't get minutes over another scrub like Meeks. Even when Elfrid Payton was playing like crap he could still get minutes in the low 20s, Mario? Could only sniff the floor in garbage time.

Meeks is two years removed from good D and a great 3-point shooting season for the Lakers. Jaylen Brown hasn't been able to beat out Jonas Jerebko for minutes. You have to have a read on where a player is developmentally, and which of the difficulties he's having are likely to be ironed out by experience.

Ohhhh yeah, the lone D'Antoni stat whoring team. Kobe was out that season, and besides Pau that was one of the all time worst Lakers teams...but yeah good to see Meeks putting up 1 career year on a team literally full of scrubs lol then falling back into irrelvancy, after that.

Spoiler:

he can still beat out Mario for minutes though

This is Jaylen's rookie season, Mario is a sophomore who i'd think would at least be able to get decent minutes with Fournier out. Jay actually is getting decent minutes though. Just saying, i would at the very least want to see half a season of Mario getting good minutes and contributing on an acceptable level before trading our 2nd best player for him.

[Andrew McCeltic]

He can't get minutes over another scrub like Meeks. Even when Elfrid Payton was playing like crap he could still get minutes in the low 20s, Mario? Could only sniff the floor in garbage time.

Meeks is two years removed from good D and a great 3-point shooting season for the Lakers. Jaylen Brown hasn't been able to beat out Jonas Jerebko for minutes. You have to have a read on where a player is developmentally, and which of the difficulties he's having are likely to be ironed out by experience.

Ohhhh yeah, the lone D'Antoni stat whoring team. Kobe was out that season, and besides Pau that was one of the all time worst Lakers teams...but yeah good to see Meeks putting up 1 career year on a team literally full of scrubs lol then falling back into irrelvancy, after that.

Spoiler:

he can still beat out Mario for minutes though

This is Jaylen's rookie season, Mario is a sophomore who i'd think would at least be able to get decent minutes with Fournier out. Jay actually is getting decent minutes though. Just saying, i would at the very least want to see half a season of Mario getting good minutes and contributing on an acceptable level before trading our 2nd best player for him.

I'd agree with you, actually, if Bradley's contract and cap space weren't considerations for us.

[Celts17Pride]

A whole lot of dumb going on in this thread right now. At first I thought I went into the Knicks forum.

[BRUNiNHO91]

Avery Bradley is having a career year, terrific shooter, career high in rebounds and coming off of a first team all defense selection..if Ainge couldn't get more than Hezonja for the kid I'd say his time is up as a gm. What an awful **** trade...I guess it's better than the usual McLemore stuff though so..progress I guess. Lol

People need to realize Avery Bradley is one of the most valuable players on this team and next to the BKn picks he's probably the 1st name teams will ask for in a trade. You look around the ECf and how many 2 guards are as good as AB both ways? Butler is mostly a Sf, Wade is old as ****, DeRozan obviously on offense but not defense, same for Bradley Beal..who else? Celtics fans need to realize this kid is extremely valuable. I understand the idea of trying to catch a game changing George Hill for Kawhi Leonard trade, but I'm not sure Hezonja is the guy to go for.