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Post#861 » by BigSleep333 » Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:10 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:People really need to stop freaking out about every little injury Embiid gets. It's very annoying. Players get hurt. It happens. Embiid hyper extends his knee and people say to shut him down for the game when he looked fine. Come on people. Someone even went so far to say he shouldn't play in the all star game if he's selected. I get it. He lands awkwardly. He does need to learn to land better. Hopefully he will. Maybe he never does. Who knows. Bottom line is people need to stop asking for him to be babied. If he gets hurt he gets hurt. You can't just sit him every time he gets knicked up.


you still need to differentiate. if he falls, he falls. but today it was the most akward looking occasion this season. so im pretty fine with the coaches to be cautious with our TOP5 HALL OF FAME kinda talent in a pretty meaningless game. if he's fine too in two days im up for him playing the next game. im also probably in the minority of people that think, he should already play back to backs...but if he hyperextends his knee 2 times in one game in a very short period, i think you are crazy to take that risk, based alone on the judgement of an immature, overeager competetive player. its just for his best, and embiid is for sure aware of it, when the heat of the moment is gone.
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Post#862 » by LongLiveHinkie » Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:11 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:People really need to stop freaking out about every little injury Embiid gets. It's very annoying. Players get hurt. It happens. Embiid hyper extends his knee and people say to shut him down for the game when he looked fine. Come on people. Someone even went so far to say he shouldn't play in the all star game if he's selected. I get it. He lands awkwardly. He does need to learn to land better. Hopefully he will. Maybe he never does. Who knows. Bottom line is people need to stop asking for him to be babied. If he gets hurt he gets hurt. You can't just sit him every time he gets knicked up.


I tend to agree. People can talk about not wanting to push it with him too soon, let him progress bit by bit, and all that's fine, but the kid gloves have to come off eventually. They have to. If they still have a minute restriction on him next season then the whole thing is a joke. The point of drafting Embiid is to win a championship, and you aren't gonna win titles with the dude playing 28 minutes, missing back to backs, and being pulled from the game with every bump and bruise. Not saying the Sixers will do that, I'm saying if they do that. It remains to be seen.

I'm an all or nothing guy. Being spoon fed isn't enough for me, and if that's selfish, that's because it is. With sports I'm very selfish. I'm Veruca Salt. "I don't care how, I want it now." They drafted him to get all of Embiid, not some of him. If he isn't eventually given full go, the whole thing is unfulfilling.

And you know Embiid is hating all this too. He was pissed tonight they wouldn't let him go back in, and thankfully we won, because he would not have been happy if we lost a close one, and if this continues into next season he's gonna start coming out publicly about it. I guarantee you.
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Post#863 » by eyeatoma » Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:20 am

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Unbreakable99 wrote:People really need to stop freaking out about every little injury Embiid gets. It's very annoying. Players get hurt. It happens. Embiid hyper extends his knee and people say to shut him down for the game when he looked fine. Come on people. Someone even went so far to say he shouldn't play in the all star game if he's selected. I get it. He lands awkwardly. He does need to learn to land better. Hopefully he will. Maybe he never does. Who knows. Bottom line is people need to stop asking for him to be babied. If he gets hurt he gets hurt. You can't just sit him every time he gets knicked up.


I tend to agree. People can talk about not wanting to push it with him too soon, let him progress bit by bit, and all that's fine, but the kid gloves have to come off eventually. They have to. If they still have a minute restriction on him next season then the whole thing is a joke. The point of drafting Embiid is to win a championship, and you aren't gonna win titles with the dude playing 28 minutes, missing back to backs, and being pulled from the game with every bump and bruise. Not saying the Sixers will do that, I'm saying if they do that. It remains to be seen.

I'm an all or nothing guy. Being spoon fed isn't enough for me, and if that's selfish, that's because it is. With sports I'm very selfish. I'm Veruca Salt. "I don't care how, I want it now." They drafted him to get all of Embiid, not some of him. If he isn't eventually given full go, the whole thing is unfulfilling.

And you know Embiid is hating all this too. He was pissed tonight they wouldn't let him go back in, and thankfully we won, because he would not have been happy if we lost a close one, and if this continues into next season he's gonna start coming out publicly about it. I guarantee you.

I compeletly agree... Lucky we won otherwise he would have been pissed. I think he needs some landing training this season is possible... Also think that is they keep restrictions next year he'll make a stink about it publicly...

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Post#864 » by BigSleep333 » Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:24 am

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LongLiveHinkie wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:People really need to stop freaking out about every little injury Embiid gets. It's very annoying. Players get hurt. It happens. Embiid hyper extends his knee and people say to shut him down for the game when he looked fine. Come on people. Someone even went so far to say he shouldn't play in the all star game if he's selected. I get it. He lands awkwardly. He does need to learn to land better. Hopefully he will. Maybe he never does. Who knows. Bottom line is people need to stop asking for him to be babied. If he gets hurt he gets hurt. You can't just sit him every time he gets knicked up.


I tend to agree. People can talk about not wanting to push it with him too soon, let him progress bit by bit, and all that's fine, but the kid gloves have to come off eventually. They have to. If they still have a minute restriction on him next season then the whole thing is a joke. The point of drafting Embiid is to win a championship, and you aren't gonna win titles with the dude playing 28 minutes, missing back to backs, and being pulled from the game with every bump and bruise. Not saying the Sixers will do that, I'm saying if they do that. It remains to be seen.

I'm an all or nothing guy. Being spoon fed isn't enough for me, and if that's selfish, that's because it is. With sports I'm very selfish. I'm Veruca Salt. "I don't care how, I want it now." They drafted him to get all of Embiid, not some of him. If he isn't eventually given full go, the whole thing is unfulfilling.

And you know Embiid is hating all this too. He was pissed tonight they wouldn't let him go back in, and thankfully we won, because he would not have been happy if we lost a close one, and if this continues into next season he's gonna start coming out publicly about it. I guarantee you.

I compeletly agree... Lucky we won otherwise he would have been pissed. I think he needs some landing training this season is possible... Also think that is they keep restrictions next year he'll make a stink about it publicly...

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of course he would be pissed...for 1 day. people underestimate how immature jojo is with his feelings...he even had an altercation with a personal coach last year or so...he's immature but smart. i know for sure he knows everythin the medical staff decides is for his best
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Post#865 » by 76ciology » Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:31 am

We should just be happy that..
- Biid is 100% OK
- Team is has a very cautious approach
- We have Biid

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Post#866 » by Arsenal » Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:38 am

It was 100% the right call to shut him down today. And no, he won't be on a minutes restriction next year, so don't worry about that.

As for the minute restriction this year, it is absolutely the right decision based upon his injury history.

So to all the whiners and complainers...

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Post#867 » by kingofthecourt67 » Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:18 am

BigSleep333 wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:People really need to stop freaking out about every little injury Embiid gets. It's very annoying. Players get hurt. It happens. Embiid hyper extends his knee and people say to shut him down for the game when he looked fine. Come on people. Someone even went so far to say he shouldn't play in the all star game if he's selected. I get it. He lands awkwardly. He does need to learn to land better. Hopefully he will. Maybe he never does. Who knows. Bottom line is people need to stop asking for him to be babied. If he gets hurt he gets hurt. You can't just sit him every time he gets knicked up.


you still need to differentiate. if he falls, he falls. but today it was the most akward looking occasion this season. so im pretty fine with the coaches to be cautious with our TOP5 HALL OF FAME kinda talent in a pretty meaningless game. if he's fine too in two days im up for him playing the next game. im also probably in the minority of people that think, he should already play back to backs...but if he hyperextends his knee 2 times in one game in a very short period, i think you are crazy to take that risk, based alone on the judgement of an immature, overeager competetive player. its just for his best, and embiid is for sure aware of it, when the heat of the moment is gone.


Exactly--you need to view it case by case. This wasn't one of the harmless tumbles from earlier in the season. And if him writhing in pain and limping for you isn't enough, then go look at how incredibly awkward the landing looked. His knee being locked like that is a very bad thing. You can argue once could be a freak accident, but when the same thing happens a second time it would be wise to regroup and get him some landing reps in a safe environment. What if there is a loss of structural integrity that caused the second buckle? These assessments should be made not in the heat of the moment.

It is not sustainable for a guy who is 7 foot 2 to continue landing like that. It's beyond me as to how people are not concerned when A) he is a giant and B) he has a history of lower body injuries.
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Post#868 » by eyeatoma » Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:03 pm

After looking at that video of his fall a few times, I'm pretty confident this is a problem with his shoe, or the floor...

He originally landed fine, and then his leg slipped then locked... That's probably because of those shiety Adidas shoes, or our ridiculous floor that still have condensation from Flyers games...He needs to get rid of those damn shoes once and for all... Burn them!!!!! Isn't it about time that he gets a multimillion dollar shoe deal? Nike or Reebok, where are you?
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Post#869 » by Unbreakable99 » Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:47 pm

eyeatoma wrote:After looking at that video of his fall a few times, I'm pretty confident this is a problem with his shoe, or the floor...

He originally landed fine, and then his leg slipped then locked... That's probably because of those shiety Adidas shoes, or our ridiculous floor that still have condensation from Flyers games...He needs to get rid of those damn shoes once and for all... Burn them!!!!! Isn't it about time that he gets a multimillion dollar shoe deal? Nike or Reebok, where are you?


It's not the shoe. Why are people blaming the shoe? Plenty of NBA players wear adidas. He landed awkwardly. That's why he got hurt.
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Post#870 » by Unbreakable99 » Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:48 pm

kingofthecourt67 wrote:
BigSleep333 wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:People really need to stop freaking out about every little injury Embiid gets. It's very annoying. Players get hurt. It happens. Embiid hyper extends his knee and people say to shut him down for the game when he looked fine. Come on people. Someone even went so far to say he shouldn't play in the all star game if he's selected. I get it. He lands awkwardly. He does need to learn to land better. Hopefully he will. Maybe he never does. Who knows. Bottom line is people need to stop asking for him to be babied. If he gets hurt he gets hurt. You can't just sit him every time he gets knicked up.


you still need to differentiate. if he falls, he falls. but today it was the most akward looking occasion this season. so im pretty fine with the coaches to be cautious with our TOP5 HALL OF FAME kinda talent in a pretty meaningless game. if he's fine too in two days im up for him playing the next game. im also probably in the minority of people that think, he should already play back to backs...but if he hyperextends his knee 2 times in one game in a very short period, i think you are crazy to take that risk, based alone on the judgement of an immature, overeager competetive player. its just for his best, and embiid is for sure aware of it, when the heat of the moment is gone.


Exactly--you need to view it case by case. This wasn't one of the harmless tumbles from earlier in the season. And if him writhing in pain and limping for you isn't enough, then go look at how incredibly awkward the landing looked. His knee being locked like that is a very bad thing. You can argue once could be a freak accident, but when the same thing happens a second time it would be wise to regroup and get him some landing reps in a safe environment. What if there is a loss of structural integrity that caused the second buckle? These assessments should be made not in the heat of the moment.

It is not sustainable for a guy who is 7 foot 2 to continue landing like that. It's beyond me as to how people are not concerned when A) he is a giant and B) he has a history of lower body injuries.


I'm talking about the first time he went down. People wanted him to stay out. I have no problem with them keeping him out after the second time. That was smart.
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Post#871 » by SparksFly87 » Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:07 pm

Jojo need to work on his core . Hes is on the ground more than Allen Iverson was. I think he has some work to do in terms of developing a solid base. He should work on his movements in the offseason. Dario also needs to work on getting quicker and work on his hops with a trainer. I notice Covington slimmed down and it has done wonders for him as a player. He is much improved overall with his slimmer built.
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Post#872 » by wainseven » Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:03 pm

Embiid's body balance and lower body strength is weak. That's why he keep falling all over the places. His awkward landing put extra burden on his foot and it's probably the cause for his stress fracture. I hope the front office could spot the obvious problem and work on it before embiid eventually hurts himself again
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Post#873 » by MNSixerFan » Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:19 pm

Have to keep in mind he hasn't played ball in two years and now he's playing in the best league in the world. The legs will come in time.
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Post#874 » by eskimo » Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:51 pm

I don't think it's entirely the lay off.

He got knocked off balance quite a bit in Kansas, too.

He spent a lot of his life playing non-contact sports (volleyball and soccer). You can the parts of his game that are elite are where he has a bit of room to move around. The parts where he struggles is where he has a body leaning up against him.

Most of this offseason should be spent on doing ACL type training with him to prevent an ACL injury and to work on his balance and core. I think if you fix those 2 things the lift in tight quarters will come and he will start finishing better and grabbing even more rebounds.
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Post#875 » by TeamHigh » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:17 pm

eskimo wrote:He spent a lot of his life playing non-contact sports (volleyball and soccer).

Soccer is most definitely a contact sport.
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Post#876 » by Bum Adebayo » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:36 pm

Main issue is his weak base, which also makes it hard for him to establish deep post position, so he starts too much at the top of the key.
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Post#877 » by Ericb5 » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:46 pm

All of his past offseason work was geared towards rehab, and skill improvement, like shooting, and posting drills.

This summer he should be able to really focus on a body building routine for strengthening his core, and building up his base.

I also think that he will do more big man training with Hakeem, and others hopefully.

I think he needs to work on dribbling skills too because I think he has the basic knack for it, but he needs practice.

I remember hearing that Iverson used to work on his dribbling moves as a kid with a tennis ball, and even with a football, where he was bouncing a football like a basketball.

Those kinds of things develop the muscle memory in his wrists.

Like most things, you cant make a bad dribbler into a good one, or a good one into a great one, but you can make an average one into a good one.

Embiid is already better than average, but he can get much better.


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Post#878 » by Cheatergriffin » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:49 pm

Lets keep in mind this is probably his 4th or 5th official year of playing organized basketball. I think its just a coordination thing and him learning how and how not to use his body. They should work with him on this as he is on the ground way too much.
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Post#879 » by eskimo » Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:51 pm

TeamHigh wrote:
eskimo wrote:He spent a lot of his life playing non-contact sports (volleyball and soccer).

Soccer is most definitely a contact sport.


Not to the same degree as Center in the NBA.

Soccer is played in a ton of open space with guys who are slim endurance athletes who have to play on a monstrously big field.

Go back and look at how skinny Embiid was back in 2011. He was a human stick back then compared to what he is now.
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Post#880 » by dorkestra » Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:27 am

I think soccer is much more of a contact sport than any position in basketball, personally.

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