Trade Thread 2017: Not Once, Not twice, But Thrice!

[BigSleep333]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zjfuzro

BOS out: Crowder,Johnson, Zeller, BKN17
BOS in: Carmelo, Noel

NYK out: Carmelo
NYK in: Johnson, Zeller, BKN17

PHI out: Noel
PHI in: Crowder


thoughts?

We're just as eager to trade that pick for Melo as you are to trade Simmons for him, for reference.

difference is, you try to compete already, no? yeah thats not a good trade longterm for you, but this trade pretty much assure you the ECF and gives you a chance to beat the cavs. i mean, why did you sign the 30y old horford? to surround him NEXT year with rookies? imo, the time is NOW for you, not in 3 years (yall know the sixers will dominate by that time )..

[Andrew McCeltic]

What about Melo and DJ? Feel like that moves the needle for Ainge, depending on price.

[GreenFor3]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zjfuzro

BOS out: Crowder,Johnson, Zeller, BKN17
BOS in: Carmelo, Noel

NYK out: Carmelo
NYK in: Johnson, Zeller, BKN17

PHI out: Noel
PHI in: Crowder


thoughts?

We're just as eager to trade that pick for Melo as you are to trade Simmons for him, for reference.

difference is, you try to compete already, no? yeah thats not a good trade longterm for you, but this trade pretty much assure you the ECF and gives you a chance to beat the cavs. i mean, why did you sign the 30y old horford? to surround him NEXT year with rookies? imo, the time is NOW for you, not in 3 years (yall know the sixers will dominate by that time )..

We signed Horford because we had cap room and it gave us a shot at Durant. No one wants to trade away the future for a long shot chance at making the finals.

[SmartWentCrazy]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zjfuzro

BOS out: Crowder,Johnson, Zeller, BKN17
BOS in: Carmelo, Noel

NYK out: Carmelo
NYK in: Johnson, Zeller, BKN17

PHI out: Noel
PHI in: Crowder


thoughts?

We're just as eager to trade that pick for Melo as you are to trade Simmons for him, for reference.

difference is, you try to compete already, no? yeah thats not a good trade longterm for you, but this trade pretty much assure you the ECF and gives you a chance to beat the cavs. i mean, why did you sign the 30y old horford? to surround him NEXT year with rookies? imo, the time is NOW for you, not in 3 years (yall know the sixers will dominate by that time )..

Aren't you guys trying to compete too? You've been winning a ton and Melo could carry you to the playoffs. After all, your chance of winning it all with Melo will be the same as ours. Why wouldn't you want to trade your best asset for that?

[BigSleep333]

We're just as eager to trade that pick for Melo as you are to trade Simmons for him, for reference.

difference is, you try to compete already, no? yeah thats not a good trade longterm for you, but this trade pretty much assure you the ECF and gives you a chance to beat the cavs. i mean, why did you sign the 30y old horford? to surround him NEXT year with rookies? imo, the time is NOW for you, not in 3 years (yall know the sixers will dominate by that time )..

Aren't you guys trying to compete too? You've been winning a ton and Melo could carry you to the playoffs. After all, your chance of winning it all with Melo will be the same as ours. Why wouldn't you want to trade your best asset for that?

we have zero 30y borderline allstars on the roster, nor an actual allstar, nor good vets to surround them...so no, the situations are completely different.

[fallguy]

Dear Non-Celtics fans,

It is completely pointless to posit trades for the Brooklyn picks that don't return a guaranteed, surefire top-10 player to Boston - someone who can headline a title team for years to come.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

[SmartWentCrazy]

difference is, you try to compete already, no? yeah thats not a good trade longterm for you, but this trade pretty much assure you the ECF and gives you a chance to beat the cavs. i mean, why did you sign the 30y old horford? to surround him NEXT year with rookies? imo, the time is NOW for you, not in 3 years (yall know the sixers will dominate by that time )..

Aren't you guys trying to compete too? You've been winning a ton and Melo could carry you to the playoffs. After all, your chance of winning it all with Melo will be the same as ours. Why wouldn't you want to trade your best asset for that?

we have zero 30y borderline allstars on the roster, nor an allstar-starter, nor good vets to surround them...so no, the situations are completely different.

I guess I have to spell it out for you.

We're not going to win a title this season. A 32 year old Melo isn't going to change that. We're not going to make short sighted franchise decisions because we signed a 30 year old fringe all-star. IT is a nice player, but, to this point, he's yet to lead us beyond 2 wins in the first round. Sacrificing the unprotected pick of the by far worst team in the league to try to win now via a 32 year old declining player is absolutely moronic and I seriously question the intelligence of anyone who advocates that path.

For what it's worth, it's also a gigantic overpay. Melo is 32 and has been declining for 4 straight years. He's not worth the BKN17 pick. He's not worth the BKN18 pick. He's not worth Jaylen Brown.

Now I need to ask you: are you seriously advocating we dramatically overpay for an old and declining Melo to try to beat Durant/Curry/Klay/Dray with IT/Horford/Melo? GTFO

[BigSleep333]

you sound like melo is hot garbage. yeah he isnt in his prime, but still good enough to have a huge impact. and lets keep this fair. nobody beats the dubs on paper. but anything can happen..who thought the cavs would win when 1-3 down?

[SmartWentCrazy]

you sound like melo is hot garbage. yeah he isnt in his prime, but still good enough to have a huge impact. and lets keep this fair. nobody beats the dubs on paper. but anything can happen..who thought the cavs would win when 1-3 down?

I never said he was. He's just not elite. He's not going to command an elite asset back. I don't know what else to tell you. Your trade was terrible for the Celtics.

[ConstableGeneva]

If non-Celtics fans don't want to believe us, hear it from Trader Dan himself...

"We value [the Brooklyn pick]. Even the chance, even a small chance to get a very talented player is worth [keeping the pick] because you have some chance. And you can’t just give up a chance to get a really good player unless [it's] for another really good player. ... It would have to be, certainly, a very good player. And also it probably wouldn't be someone in their 30s. That would have to be a good young player because again, even if we had a 5 percent or a 10 percent or a 15 percent chance at one of the top picks in the draft, that’s worth keeping."

The upcoming Brooklyn pick's gonna end up even better than last year's. Let's all save ourselves keystrokes, Ainge is not trading either Brooklyn pick for Melo.

[BleedGreen1989]

I know the horse is dead, but I'm gonna keep hitting him.

Andrew Bogut makes a ton of sense for this team, all things considered.

I don't disagree but I am afraid Bogut may be that dead horse. worth a shot if it doesn't cost more than the Minny 2nd.

For sure. I think Zeller and MIN 2nd is pretty damn close.

If he does stay healthy, he provides elite rebounding and paint protection and a solid passer for a big.

If he doesn't stay healthy, than big whoop we moved one of our pile of 2nds...

[Curmudgeon]

you sound like melo is hot garbage. yeah he isnt in his prime, but still good enough to have a huge impact

Yes, but it's a negative impact. Ball hog. Loafs on defense.

[ConstableGeneva]

I wonder how Knicks fans would feel about a Horford-for-Porzingis swap. They could give up their best asset and just "go for it" with that move. I'm actually underselling Horf here 'cos he's more impactful than Melo at this stage in their careers.

[jfs1000d]

Aren't you guys trying to compete too? You've been winning a ton and Melo could carry you to the playoffs. After all, your chance of winning it all with Melo will be the same as ours. Why wouldn't you want to trade your best asset for that?

we have zero 30y borderline allstars on the roster, nor an allstar-starter, nor good vets to surround them...so no, the situations are completely different.

I guess I have to spell it out for you.

We're not going to win a title this season. A 32 year old Melo isn't going to change that. We're not going to make short sighted franchise decisions because we signed a 30 year old fringe all-star. IT is a nice player, but, to this point, he's yet to lead us beyond 2 wins in the first round. Sacrificing the unprotected pick of the by far worst team in the league to try to win now via a 32 year old declining player is absolutely moronic and I seriously question the intelligence of anyone who advocates that path.

For what it's worth, it's also a gigantic overpay. Melo is 32 and has been declining for 4 straight years. He's not worth the BKN17 pick. He's not worth the BKN18 pick. He's not worth Jaylen Brown.

Now I need to ask you: are you seriously advocating we dramatically overpay for an old and declining Melo to try to beat Durant/Curry/Klay/Dray with IT/Horford/Melo? GTFO

Yes.

As long as we don't give up Jaylen and Brook picks. I think a cooperative Melo and a big could challenge Cleveland now while not losing the future.


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[BleedGreen1989]

Yeah, ask literally anybody outside of New York and they all say Melo is not getting a good asset back. Never mind a great one...

[Andrew McCeltic]

I thought Blake for Porzingis was the best move for both teams a year ago..

Would Butler/DJ be feasible?

[radcot]

I wouldn't part with Brown or the Brk picks for Melo, but his offense hasn't fallen off as much as some suggest. He's scoring 22.5 per game compared to his career average of 24.8, but he's doing it in 3 fewer minutes (33 compared to 36). He's shooting the 3 at 37% which is better than his career average of 34%. His free throw attempts are down by 2, but his percentage is 84, which is 3 points higher than his career average. His rebounds and assists are roughly at his career averages (6 & 3 respectively). His eFG is .490, which is somewhat higher than his career average of .482. And his PER is 19.6, which is down by a point and half from his career average but still higher than anyone on the Celtics whose initials are not IT.

[Roddy]

I thought Blake for Porzingis was the best move for both teams a year ago..

Would Butler/DJ be feasible?

You will have to give half our team + draft picks.

IT / Smart or AB / Butler / Horford / DJ

Great starting 5, but bench must sucks.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

This thread is beginning to tread in the waters of craziness. Enough with this Melo rubbish talk.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I thought Blake for Porzingis was the best move for both teams a year ago..

Would Butler/DJ be feasible?

You will have to give half our team + draft picks.

IT / Smart or AB / Butler / Horford / DJ

Great starting 5, but bench must sucks.

Well that's the question, right. Could Crowder/Amir/Rozier/non-BKN 1sts get you DJ, and could Bradley/Jerebko/Young/BKN 18 get you Butler?

IT/Smart/Jackson
Butler/Green
Brown/Nader
Horford/Olynyk/Mickey
DJ/Zeller, plus BKN 17 this year, Zizic coming over in the summer.