Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1

[yosemiteben]

Lamb is third in PER...

PER is generally an offensive metric that rewards volume shooters with decent efficiency, and doesn't even pretend to be an accurate indicator of defensive value or impact on the floor. Thus why Kanter has a significantly higher PER than Gobert, Marc Gasol, Horford, etc.

MKG is almost last and even behind Hawes and Hibbert. HIBBERT!!. he shoots a overall worse fg% than Lamb and a putrid 14% from the 3. Someone with those stats does not deserved to be praised while you claim Lamb has a negative trade value.

Again, it's defense. You can't compare Lamb and MKG as a defender, even if you think MKG is not as good as advertised.

How you can even try to justify that is beyond me. Sure you can say MKG is better and even that is a debate worth being had but when you try to praise MKG and make Lamb seem like a scrub that's just not realistic

Lamb was acquired for a throw away late 2nd round pick, and since then he was given a contract that requires him to be paid $15M over the next two seasons while at the same time his 3PT% has tanked. I really don't know what the market makes of Lamb, curious what the trade board would say about that, but it wouldn't surprise me if they don't view him as having positive trade value. Is it possible they can look at his positives and find real value there? Sure, I'm just not sure that's what will happen.

No one is calling Lamb a scrub, we're just talking about trade value in a void for non-Charlotte fans.

[Joest2003]

Lamb is third in PER...

PER is generally an offensive metric that rewards volume shooters with decent efficiency, and doesn't even pretend to be an accurate indicator of defensive value or impact on the floor. Thus why Kanter has a significantly higher PER than Gobert, Marc Gasol, Horford, etc.

MKG is almost last and even behind Hawes and Hibbert. HIBBERT!!. he shoots a overall worse fg% than Lamb and a putrid 14% from the 3. Someone with those stats does not deserved to be praised while you claim Lamb has a negative trade value.

Again, it's defense. You can't compare Lamb and MKG as a defender, even if you think MKG is not as good as advertised.

How you can even try to justify that is beyond me. Sure you can say MKG is better and even that is a debate worth being had but when you try to praise MKG and make Lamb seem like a scrub that's just not realistic

Lamb was acquired for a throw away late 2nd round pick, and since then he was given a contract that requires him to be paid $15M over the next two seasons while at the same time his 3PT% has tanked. I really don't know what the market makes of Lamb, curious what the trade board would say about that, but it wouldn't surprise me if they don't view him as having positive trade value. Is it possible they can look at his positives and find real value there? Sure, I'm just not sure that's what will happen.

No one is calling Lamb a scrub, we're just talking about trade value in a void for non-Charlotte fans.

Ya im with ya 100%. MKG deff has a higher trade value thats the only reason I even mentioned trading him. And to be honest I still wouldnt want him to be traded because hes one of my favorite players. I just dont believe the talent gap between MKG and Lamb is as big as you guys are making it seem.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

I think that it's fine to talk about Lamb's offensive strengths and weaknesses, but I honestly think that it's his defensive shortcomings that are limiting his playing time, and thus trade value now. That said I think that Lamb does have value around the league and to this team.

[yosemiteben]

I think that it's fine to talk about Lamb's offensive strengths and weaknesses, but I honestly think that it's his defensive shortcomings that are limiting his playing time, and thus trade value now.

It's an interesting question. He has great length and has shown solid commitment on that end, so I'm not sure that's it. In my mind, if you took Belinelli's skill set and plugged it into Lamb's body with his athleticism, you would have a dominant, elite player offensively, and Belinelli is not exactly an ace on defense.

I'll take Lamb's defense over Marco's.

[Bassman]

To me, the discussion of which player to trade (Lamb or MKG) is only relative to what value each brings. I don't think Lamb has much value due to his inconsistency and poor defense. MKG has more, but not nearly as much as folks here think. His shot is poor and likely broken permanently, and he doesn't assert himself in any other way on offense, so his his defense has to REALLY overcompensate....but, it's not. He has to lock down most players night after night. Whatever Cliff's scheme, MKG doesn't show me as much as I'd want to see.

So, MKG has more value, but will have to be paired with assets to get us a quality scorer. Better to find the right guy and get him now to get us back into contention and let MKG be whatever he will be. I'm convinced he will never make the mental or physical leap into being an assertive top player.

[bravor]

If the Suns are dead serious on asking a 1st for Tucker, Cho should ask a 1st and a filler for Lamb... If it was to work (big IF), that would mean tank time for me. And potential great trade assets during next offseason to improve what needs to be improved.

[sportscrazy]

J.J. Redick & 2021 Unprotected Los Angeles Clippers First Round Draft Pick for Roy Hibbert, Lottery Protected 2017 Charlotte Hornets First Round Draft Pick & Lottery Protected 2019 Charlotte Hornets First Round Draft Pick?

[chellis]

J.J. Redick & 2021 Unprotected Los Angeles Clippers First Round Draft Pick for Roy Hibbert, Lottery Protected 2017 Charlotte Hornets First Round Draft Pick & Lottery Protected 2019 Charlotte Hornets First Round Draft Pick?

Absolutely not. Two firsts and an expiring for a first and an expiring? Yes I like having extra shooters. No I don't intend on giving up that kind of package to get it.

[fuzzy1]

Hey, Hawks fan first but I like the Hornets and coming up with fake trades, lol. Curious what y'all think about Brook Lopez? Seems like he'd be good fit with you guys.

Hibbert/Hawes/Lamb/1st for Lopez?

[BigSlam]

J.J. Redick & 2021 Unprotected Los Angeles Clippers First Round Draft Pick for Roy Hibbert, Lottery Protected 2017 Charlotte Hornets First Round Draft Pick & Lottery Protected 2019 Charlotte Hornets First Round Draft Pick?

Absolutely not. Two firsts and an expiring for a first and an expiring? Yes I like having extra shooters. No I don't intend on giving up that kind of package to get it.

And not when we already have Sauce.


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[BigSlam]

Hey, Hawks fan first but I like the Hornets and coming up with fake trades, lol. Curious what y'all think about Brook Lopez? Seems like he'd be good fit with you guys.

Hibbert/Hawes/Lamb/1st for Lopez?

Can't stand him or his game.


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[Dzon Dilindzer]

seems like Nurkic could be on his way to Charlotte Hornets
well see if anything happens there, what do you think of him

[Radu_Hornets]

seems like Nurkic could be on his way to Charlotte Hornets
well see if anything happens there, what do you think of him

What did you see/reed/heard about that trade?

[yosemiteben]

seems like Nurkic could be on his way to Charlotte Hornets

Are you just spit balling or did you seem a rumor or report somewhere?

[Radu_Hornets]

seems like Nurkic could be on his way to Charlotte Hornets

Are you just spit balling or did you seem a rumor or report somewhere?

I just checked the "news" and couldn't see anything about any trade Rumor that would connect jurkic to Charlotte.

[Dzon Dilindzer]

seems like Nurkic could be on his way to Charlotte Hornets

Are you just spit balling or did you seem a rumor or report somewhere?

I just checked the "news" and couldn't see anything about any trade Rumor that would connect jurkic to Charlotte.

Im from Bosnia & Herzegovina, and I read it on best bosnian sports portal, they are credible
of course, it might not be true, but hey, Im just passing the info

I can provide you link, if you will, just translate it

[Radu_Hornets]

Are you just spit balling or did you seem a rumor or report somewhere?

I just checked the "news" and couldn't see anything about any trade Rumor that would connect jurkic to Charlotte.

Im from Bosnia & Herzegovina, and I read it on best bosnian sports portal, they are credible
of course, it might not be true, but hey, Im just passing the info

I can provide you link, if you will, just translate it

Thanks for the intern info !
We might have sound bitter in our anwers, but it's just because we are hungry for any news haha !

I'd be thrilled to get the link !

[yosemiteben]

Are you just spit balling or did you seem a rumor or report somewhere?

I just checked the "news" and couldn't see anything about any trade Rumor that would connect jurkic to Charlotte.

Im from Bosnia & Herzegovina, and I read it on best bosnian sports portal, they are credible
of course, it might not be true, but hey, Im just passing the info

I can provide you link, if you will, just translate it

No worries, was just curious because we have a notoriously tight lipped FO and I haven't seen anything on twitter about this. Would love for you to post the source.

Nurkic would be an interesting move, though I'm not sure what DEN would want in return. Are you a DEN fan? What sort of assets is DEN looking for in a Nurkic move?

[Dzon Dilindzer]

when I read it first time, I missed the part about Fox Sports, and now I checked there, theyre not saying trade could happen, just that this could be a good move for Hornets! I also read the article about teams who could/should move for Nurkic, and Hornets are amongs them, along with Blazers, Celtics, Pelicans and Mavs

link 1
link 2

Nurkic would be an interesting move, though I'm not sure what DEN would want in return. Are you a DEN fan? What sort of assets is DEN looking for in a Nurkic move?

nah Im Blazers fan, an Id like him on our team, for obvious reasons, but also cause he would improve our game

[yosemiteben]

Gotcha, thanks for the links.

Here is the blurb from that Hoops Habit site:

4. Charlotte Hornets

There are few strategists as consistent or inventive as Charlotte Hornets head coach Steve Clifford. He’s facilitated the development of a number of high-quality players, including Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Kemba Walker, and Marvin Williams.

The primary example of what Clifford can do to help Jusuf Nurkic take his game to the next level, however, is the incredible work he did with All-NBA center Al Jefferson.

Much like Jefferson, Nurkic is a bruising 7’0″ big man who can put his shoulder into a defender and finish at the rim. His post game isn’t as polished as Jefferson’s, but he’s shown the potential to be a high-quality post player.

With soft touch around the rim and good hands when coming off of the pick and roll, Nurkic has immediate value to a postseason-caliber team like Charlotte.

Nurkic does an excellent job of moving without the ball and ensuring that he’s in a position to be set up to score. That makes him the perfect complement to dynamic playmakers Kemba Walker and Nicolas Batum.

If the Hornets are willing to give up a first-round draft pick to acquire Nurkic, he could be the player whom Clifford develops as his traditional big man of the future.

Not sure how I feel about a Hibbert or Hawes + 1st for Nurkic trade. He does have a few years left on his contract so we get a cheap deal for a while and I really like his size, but his defensive stats suggest he's got a ways to go as a defender and he's a work in progress on offense. I do like that he seems to play with a chip on his shoulder, and anybody that steps up to Cousins is alright in my book.