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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#421 » by darrendaye » Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:18 pm

Red2 wrote:this shouldn't be about Payton versus Smart, this should be about whether the Celts should move on from Smart. They have so many guards on the roster and potentially may draft another one in June. Danny has some hard choices to make but it seems obvious to even a casual observer of this team that we need rebounding and another scorer. I like Richard Holmes in Philly. Maybe Smart to Philly for Holmes and that french guy they drafted. Give them Zeller or young as well. Or Smart to Golden State for a first and a player. I also think Amir johnson is a shell of himself and needs to be moved as well. Honestly I'm ready for rebuild number 2. This roster does nothing for me. If you could get a decent package for thomas I'd do that as well.


I wouldn't object to trading him and that deal you proposed to Philly would have interest as I liked both those guys leading into their respective drafts. The thing with Smart, for me, is he is a very versatile defensive option for a team. He can compete for stretches defending 1-4. He puts pressure on the ball and is an instigator. I'm not projecting him to be a strong starter candidate with where he is now. But even if he doesn't improve a lick, he's a guy who can really help your roster construction for years to come allowing you to fit him in defensively to cover gaps you have at different positions. Unfortunately, the one position he will not be able to help is in rim protection.
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#422 » by 2Mas » Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:47 pm

Dannyboy36 wrote:He's overrated on defense too. He makes some fantastic plays, but as far as staying in front of his man, he's overrated and not what he was last year.

Have you really seen him this year? Lol I seen one Magic game & it wasn't even against us.

I watched the 3 quarters of a Magic Knicks one night a few days before christmas. & my favorite part was Jeff Green making a spin move & bouncing it off his foot to jog back on defense. Classic Benzo.

Payton looked like Payton. A non shooting backup pg.

But good for being to watch the magic score 75 ppg lol. I can't do it anymore. For some reason this year I just struggle to watch a game cause it's on.
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#423 » by Green89 » Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:06 pm

As much as Smart will make spectacular plays now and again, he has too many that hurt us. The way he lost his cool last night shows his maturity is not where it should be, and he often will make bad decisions late in games (the long pass turnover in the Portland game). What he can do right defensively is just not enough to outweigh his deficiencies.

The C's are 17-5 when Marcus takes less than 10 shots, and 7-12 when he takes 10 or more shots. It's easy to see that the more he tries to contribute on offense, the more we suffer as a team.
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#424 » by Dannyboy36 » Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:12 pm

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Dannyboy36 wrote:He's overrated on defense too. He makes some fantastic plays, but as far as staying in front of his man, he's overrated and not what he was last year.

Have you really seen him this year? Lol I seen one Magic game & it wasn't even against us.

I watched the 3 quarters of a Magic Knicks one night a few days before christmas. & my favorite part was Jeff Green making a spin move & bouncing it off his foot to jog back on defense. Classic Benzo.

Payton looked like Payton. A non shooting backup pg.

But good for being to watch the magic score 75 ppg lol. I can't do it anymore. For some reason this year I just struggle to watch a game cause it's on.


I'm talking about smart's defense. I haven't been following the Elfrid comparison .
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Post#425 » by ddb » Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:47 pm

Green89 wrote:As much as Smart will make spectacular plays now and again, he has too many that hurt us. The way he lost his cool last night shows his maturity is not where it should be, and he often will make bad decisions late in games (the long pass turnover in the Portland game). What he can do right defensively is just not enough to outweigh his deficiencies.

The C's are 17-5 when Marcus takes less than 10 shots, and 7-12 when he takes 10 or more shots. It's easy to see that the more he tries to contribute on offense, the more we suffer as a team.

Smart is best suited as a bench player who can fill in at multiple positions for 25 minutes per game. He brings toughness and intangibles.
Smart as a starter doesn't work well with the way this team is currently built. He is way too inconsistent offensively to be relied on as a starter. He can't offer what AB can offer which is complimentary 17-18ppg on quality shooting. AB knocks down shots MOST nights. Smart misses shots MOST nights and very seldomly gets hot.

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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#426 » by Dannyboy36 » Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:58 pm

I'm not trying to villanize smart but smart is a little cuckoo. Go nuts on the other team, but flipping out and yelling like that for everyone to see and being ordered to the locker room.. I'd suspend him tonight and nip it in the bud. Showing up the coaching staff can't be tolerated. I hope not.
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Post#427 » by Banks2Pierce » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:03 pm

Dannyboy36 wrote:I'm not trying to villanize smart but smart is a little cuckoo. Go nuts on the other team, but flipping out and yelling like that for everyone to see and being ordered to the locker room.. I'd suspend him tonight and nip it in the bud. Showing up the coaching staff can't be tolerated. I hope not.


I love that personally. He cares and was the only one who put in extraordinary effort on D last night. Can't be doing that multiple times per month, but he hasn't.

It's weird that Brad hasn't altered the Amir aspect of the starting lineup with AB out. I haven't been a fan of how Brad's shuffled the rotation when basically any of the starters have missed a game this season. Rozier and Mickey have been big disappointments this season, but the staggering of the rotations has still been headscratching for me.
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#428 » by mwhis21 » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:03 pm

I'm not fretting about last night but I do wonder about the locker room...

IT has that diva swag, and quite honestly, has patted himself on the back A LOT this season. Crowder going off on the fans. Marcus now on the coaches. There was a report at Al Horford mostly keeps to himself in the locker room.

Who's the leader on this team right now? They need some VET bench guys in bad way.
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#429 » by TheOGJabroni » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:11 pm

mwhis21 wrote:I'm not fretting about last night but I do wonder about the locker room...

IT has that diva swag, and quite honestly, has patted himself on the back A LOT this season. Crowder going off on the fans. Marcus now on the coaches. There was a report at Al Horford mostly keeps to himself in the locker room.

Who's the leader on this team right now? They need some VET bench guys in bad way.

I don't necessarily agree with the IT portion of this, but you may be on to something in general. Something just feels off this year.
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Post#430 » by jrob23 » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:16 pm

Red2 wrote:this shouldn't be about Payton versus Smart, this should be about whether the Celts should move on from Smart. They have so many guards on the roster and potentially may draft another one in June. Danny has some hard choices to make but it seems obvious to even a casual observer of this team that we need rebounding and another scorer. I like Richard Holmes in Philly. Maybe Smart to Philly for Holmes and that french guy they drafted. Give them Zeller or young as well. Or Smart to Golden State for a first and a player. I also think Amir johnson is a shell of himself and needs to be moved as well. Honestly I'm ready for rebuild number 2. This roster does nothing for me. If you could get a decent package for thomas I'd do that as well.


Based on talent and team needs I think Noel for Smart straight up makes more sense. Smart is more valuable than Holmes. That trade makes all the sense in the world. Smart would be an upgrade as either the starting combo guard for PHI. He'd be an affordable contributor next season as well. Noel immediately improves our D and rebounding and it's worth that upgrade to lose Smart. Or if I'm Danny I offer Smart, Brown, and BK18 for Butler. CHI gets a starting PG in Smart, a SF of the future in Brown and a very valuable likely high BK18 pick that should land them one of the better prospects in that very strong draft class. We keep our core, move Butler into Jae's starting spot pushing Jae to the appropriate bench role and we now have a 2nd elite scoring option to take pressure off IT. I wonder if G.M.s have conversations like this. Maybe they do and either Danny or CHI laughs at the other's respective offers. CHI can't expect more for Butler can they? PHI can't expect a better off for Noel than Smart can they? Is Danny holding up these types of deals or is it them?
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#431 » by SparringPartner » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:18 pm

Green89 wrote:As much as Smart will make spectacular plays now and again, he has too many that hurt us. The way he lost his cool last night shows his maturity is not where it should be, and he often will make bad decisions late in games (the long pass turnover in the Portland game). What he can do right defensively is just not enough to outweigh his deficiencies.

The C's are 17-5 when Marcus takes less than 10 shots, and 7-12 when he takes 10 or more shots. It's easy to see that the more he tries to contribute on offense, the more we suffer as a team.


I can't disagree more. I'm glad someone is showing emotion towards our really poor play. Brad even lost his cool (for Brad) last night in his post game press conference. I think that tells me Brad is on Marcus's side and Brad also stuck up for Marcus after the game.

This year's Celtics defense blows and it has all year. The only significant player not here from last year is Turner, but the Celtics added Horford. On paper that should have improved the Celtics defense this year. I sense some moves coming before the trade deadline and I'm pretty sure Marcus will still be on the team after those moves as he is the heart and soul of this team.
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#432 » by mwhis21 » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:20 pm

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mwhis21 wrote:I'm not fretting about last night but I do wonder about the locker room...

IT has that diva swag, and quite honestly, has patted himself on the back A LOT this season. Crowder going off on the fans. Marcus now on the coaches. There was a report at Al Horford mostly keeps to himself in the locker room.

Who's the leader on this team right now? They need some VET bench guys in bad way.

I don't necessarily agree with the IT portion of this, but you may be on to something in general. Something just feels off this year.


Listening to IT's interviews...he's given himself a lot of credit but never seems to take any blame. It's hard to put into words but his interviews don't sound right sometimes. Don't get me wrong, he's not wrong most of the time LOL. It's just odd.

For example last night: "You know how you can play selfish on offense? I guess we’re playing selfish on defense." Okay, IT. Pot meet Kettle. He's approaching James Harden level bad.
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Post#433 » by Parliament10 » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:23 pm

Marcus Smart, while not a baby, is still only 22.

As I have said many times, he Backs up 3 positions on Offense.
And 5 positions on Defense.

He's the Kind of 6th-Man that you want, on a team that will Contend.
And Contending, doesn't just happen overnight.

Even Michael Jordan didn't win his first Championship, until he was 28 yrs old.
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#434 » by Dannyboy36 » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:26 pm

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Dannyboy36 wrote:I'm not trying to villanize smart but smart is a little cuckoo. Go nuts on the other team, but flipping out and yelling like that for everyone to see and being ordered to the locker room.. I'd suspend him tonight and nip it in the bud. Showing up the coaching staff can't be tolerated. I hope not.


I love that personally. He cares and was the only one who put in extraordinary effort on D last night. Can't be doing that multiple times per month, but he hasn't.

It's weird that Brad hasn't altered the Amir aspect of the starting lineup with AB out. I haven't been a fan of how Brad's shuffled the rotation when basically any of the starters have missed a game this season. Rozier and Mickey have been big disappointments this season, but the staggering of the rotations has still been headscratching for me.


I didn't see that effort last night. I just saw him getting torched, blown by etc.
Their guards embarrassed us. But it was such a downer. Can't say I was concentrating on him individually so much.
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#435 » by Dannyboy36 » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:27 pm

I'm in total agreement with the rotations. It's been a mess and a mystery to me, as well.
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Post#436 » by ConstableGeneva » Sat Jan 28, 2017 10:51 pm



I read somewhere he now leads the league in efficiency when passing off the PnR. He now has two elite skills. Also, monster truck-sized cojones.
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Post#437 » by chakdaddy » Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:17 pm

His playmay really does look improved.
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Post#438 » by return2glory » Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:08 am

chakdaddy wrote:His playmay really does look improved.


Yes it does. So those his free throw shooting.

He is still improving which I something I love to see. Right now he is a solid bench player. We are still waiting on his 3 PT shooting to improve to about 35-38% range. If that ever happens, then he will become a complete player, a really good one at that.
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Post#439 » by bceltic55 » Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:21 am

Smart is the type of player every team wants, tough and won't back down from anyone. Given that he can guard and play positions he is not the guy you trade. AB before Smart.
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Post#440 » by BannerStatus » Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:38 am

Parliament10 wrote:Marcus Smart, while not a baby, is still only 22.

As I have said many times, he Backs up 3 positions on Offense.
And 5 positions on Defense.

He's the Kind of 6th-Man that you want, on a team that will Contend.
And Contending, doesn't just happen overnight.

Even Michael Jordan didn't win his first Championship, until he was 28 yrs old.



Completely agree with this. The question to me though, is how much are you willing to pay for that? In this current NBA environment, I think someone will pony-up big $$$ for him with a commitment to let him start. I don't think Danny can (or would want to ) compete with a huge offer.

He's the classic "I love him at ___ $ price, I hate him at ___ $ price.
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