Hinkie in Hindsight?

[LongLiveHinkie]

I love when people say "Hinkie got lucky with Embiid, he wanted Wiggins!" without any proof to those claims, but then on the other hand, say when people claim Okafor was forced on Hinkie and he wanted Porzingis, that it's BS.

Total hypocrisy to fit the agenda.

[HartfordWhalers]

I love when people say "Hinkie got lucky with Embiid, he wanted Wiggins!" without any proof to those claims, but then on the other hand, say when people claim Okafor was forced on Hinkie and he wanted Porzingis, that it's BS.

Total hypocrisy to fit the agenda.

I equally believe none of them.

[marcush]

Hinkie clearly deserves the credit for Embiid and the blame for Okafor.

[Ericb5]

Ilyasova trade was decent at the time, very good in retrospect.

Luwawu pick was one of my ideal picks. Korkmaz pick was alright (preferred a few others there but didn't hate it). Hate that he didn't buy the pick to draft McCaw like the Warriors did - I wanted McCaw at 24 or 26.

I liked the Sergio signing at the time even if the results haven't been great. Henderson signing was not great but not terrible. Bayless contract was and still is terrible though. He ran ridiculously hot from 3 last year, tends to heroball on offense, and is a poor defender.

I actually like the Bayless signing the best of the three. He just got hurt. When he comes back I think he will be good with Simmons.

Sergio and Henderson are legit NBA veterans, but we will be replacing them soon with draft picks or trades most likely.


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Bayless is just inferior to so many other options. He's an above average but not exceptional 3 point shooter and he's a defensive liability. Those are arguably the most important requirements for an optimal PG next to Simmons.

"Legit NBA veterans" sounds like what someone would say when they don't have anything specifically good to say about a player. Prior to the season, Sergio had fewer NBA minutes played than some of our young guys.

I don't think Bayless is a starter, but I like him as a role player.

"Legit NBA veterans" IS sort of me saying that I can't say anything good about them. Lol

I meant though that they are legit NBA players, as opposed to the dleague cycle that we have been on. Henderson for example strikes me as a guy that would be an absolute star in Europe. He can actually play the game on both offense and defense. He just isn't very good at the NBA level.

Sergio, Henderson, and Bayless are three guys that I would have been completely against signing during the tank years, but were all reasonable signings for this year. I suspect that Hinkie would have signed similar players.


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[kriss73]

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[dkj5061]

I love when people say "Hinkie got lucky with Embiid, he wanted Wiggins!" without any proof to those claims, but then on the other hand, say when people claim Okafor was forced on Hinkie and he wanted Porzingis, that it's BS.

Total hypocrisy to fit the agenda.

I equally believe none of them.

I agree to an extent that saying "Sam wanted Porzingis" is an easy answer to defend the man we all love and miss, but the only reason I half believe it is because almost every single other one of his picks shared similar qualities. They were long, athletic, protected the rim and mobile (Noel, Embiid, MCW, KJ, Holmes, Roco(not a pick but still counts), Jerami). Okafor (and Saric to an extent) was the only one who didn't fit this model of drafting players.

[Arsenal]

Not sure whether he wanted to take Porzingis over Okafor or not, but we'll likely never know.

What I DO know is F Porzingis and his POS agent Andy Miller. I'll take great pleasure in Embiid and the Sixers dynasty b!tch processing that punk for the next decade winning multiple titles, while he wins nothing and wastes his career with a bad team.

[bedjawII]

I love when people say "Hinkie got lucky with Embiid, he wanted Wiggins!" without any proof to those claims, but then on the other hand, say when people claim Okafor was forced on Hinkie and he wanted Porzingis, that it's BS.

Total hypocrisy to fit the agenda.

To be fair (because I say both) Hinkie did luck into JoJo but not because he wanted Wiggins. I believe he preferred Wiggins after JoJo and he truly believed JoJo would go #1. Which he would have if not for the injury! So he did luck into the pick. But I don't hold that against Hinkie. He saw an opportunity and took advantage of it.

[jbent87]

I love when people say "Hinkie got lucky with Embiid, he wanted Wiggins!" without any proof to those claims, but then on the other hand, say when people claim Okafor was forced on Hinkie and he wanted Porzingis, that it's BS.

Total hypocrisy to fit the agenda.

To be fair (because I say both) Hinkie did luck into JoJo but not because he wanted Wiggins. I believe he preferred Wiggins after JoJo and he truly believed JoJo would go #1. Which he would have if not for the injury! So he did luck into the pick. But I don't hold that against Hinkie. He saw an opportunity and took advantage of it.

I'm hearing more and more about how Hinkie lucked into Embiid over the last couple weeks, as yet again people try to minimize his impact. Why wasn't it such a no brainer for MIL to take him at 2? We have no idea how far he could've slid in the top 10 if Hinkie passed on him bc now everyone is coming out via hindsight. If three teams pass on a high upside injury prone prospect like that, that tends to make people panic and he could have fallen.

Also, Embiids rehabilitation here is different than other places. Hinkie sent Embiid to f'ng Qatar to rehab. What other team would have done that? How don't we know that another team would have rushed him back, because they wanted to save face on the pick? Hinkie had the patience to wait. And it's being vindicated with every second #21 plays on the court.

Embiid = Hinkie. Anything this guy does in his career, bring it back to SH. Because he's the one that invested all of his resources into making sure he was healthy and waiting to build the team around this guy. He didn't just sit back and take the sure thing pick. He wasn't a sure thing at all. But the way he was handled, by SH, he became one.

[HartfordWhalers]

I love when people say "Hinkie got lucky with Embiid, he wanted Wiggins!" without any proof to those claims, but then on the other hand, say when people claim Okafor was forced on Hinkie and he wanted Porzingis, that it's BS.

Total hypocrisy to fit the agenda.

To be fair (because I say both) Hinkie did luck into JoJo but not because he wanted Wiggins. I believe he preferred Wiggins after JoJo and he truly believed JoJo would go #1. Which he would have if not for the injury! So he did luck into the pick. But I don't hold that against Hinkie. He saw an opportunity and took advantage of it.

I'm hearing more and more about how Hinkie lucked into Embiid over the last couple weeks, as yet again people try to minimize his impact. Why wasn't it such a no brainer for MIL to take him at 2? We have no idea how far he could've slid in the top 10 if Hinkie passed on him bc now everyone is coming out via hindsight. If three teams pass on a high upside injury prone prospect like that, that tends to make people panic and he could have fallen.

Also, Embiids rehabilitation here is different than other places. Hinkie sent Embiid to f'ng Qatar to rehab. What other team would have done that? How don't we know that another team would have rushed him back, because they wanted to save face on the pick? Hinkie had the patience to wait. And it's being vindicated with every second #21 plays on the court.

Embiid = Hinkie. Anything this guy does in his career, bring it back to SH. Because he's the one that invested all of his resources into making sure he was healthy and waiting to build the team around this guy. He didn't just sit back and take the sure thing pick. He wasn't a sure thing at all. But the way he was handled, by SH, he became one.

Boston was taking him at 5 if he slid. Orlando, no idea. But Embidd wasn't getting past Boston. Thats been pretty well documented, and even when it looked like it was a bad mistake by Boston to have that strategy.

[76ciology]

Fwiw, Benett was one of the three guys we were looking at with the Jrue deal.

Exum seems like a serious candidate for the third pick in 2014. Some of the experts were fine with Exum with 3rd overall.

Hinkie is not perfect but the end more than justified the means IMO.

[APettyJ]

Hinkie clearly deserves the credit for Embiid and the blame for Okafor.

Not if JC had anything to do with stopping the rumored trade of Okafor to Boston for the Nets pick.

[Ericb5]

To be fair (because I say both) Hinkie did luck into JoJo but not because he wanted Wiggins. I believe he preferred Wiggins after JoJo and he truly believed JoJo would go #1. Which he would have if not for the injury! So he did luck into the pick. But I don't hold that against Hinkie. He saw an opportunity and took advantage of it.

I'm hearing more and more about how Hinkie lucked into Embiid over the last couple weeks, as yet again people try to minimize his impact. Why wasn't it such a no brainer for MIL to take him at 2? We have no idea how far he could've slid in the top 10 if Hinkie passed on him bc now everyone is coming out via hindsight. If three teams pass on a high upside injury prone prospect like that, that tends to make people panic and he could have fallen.

Also, Embiids rehabilitation here is different than other places. Hinkie sent Embiid to f'ng Qatar to rehab. What other team would have done that? How don't we know that another team would have rushed him back, because they wanted to save face on the pick? Hinkie had the patience to wait. And it's being vindicated with every second #21 plays on the court.

Embiid = Hinkie. Anything this guy does in his career, bring it back to SH. Because he's the one that invested all of his resources into making sure he was healthy and waiting to build the team around this guy. He didn't just sit back and take the sure thing pick. He wasn't a sure thing at all. But the way he was handled, by SH, he became one.

Boston was taking him at 5 if he slid. Orlando, no idea. But Embidd wasn't getting past Boston. Thats been pretty well documented, and even when it looked like it was a bad mistake by Boston to have that strategy.

Boston had the 6th pick, but I agree.

A huge part of "the process" was how the players were dealt with AFTER they were drafted. Hinkie deserves credit for all of it.

The whole thing is silly really. If someone won't give him credit for Embiid and Simmons then they just aren't credible. The argument could be that they weren't worth the downsides of tanking, but they sure as hell represent the highest hopes of tanking on the positive side.

Hinkie accomplished what he needed to accomplish over the 3 seasons that he was here.

How many times in the history of the NBA have two players of that caliber been drafted in a 3 year period?

You have the Thunder from the mid 2000's, and the Magic of the early 90's, but who else?

Maybe Larry Johnson and Alonzo Mourning?

It's extremely rare, and Hinkie did it with a team of mediocre talent, and 2 of the next 4 first round picks owed to other teams.


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[HartfordWhalers]

I'm hearing more and more about how Hinkie lucked into Embiid over the last couple weeks, as yet again people try to minimize his impact. Why wasn't it such a no brainer for MIL to take him at 2? We have no idea how far he could've slid in the top 10 if Hinkie passed on him bc now everyone is coming out via hindsight. If three teams pass on a high upside injury prone prospect like that, that tends to make people panic and he could have fallen.

Also, Embiids rehabilitation here is different than other places. Hinkie sent Embiid to f'ng Qatar to rehab. What other team would have done that? How don't we know that another team would have rushed him back, because they wanted to save face on the pick? Hinkie had the patience to wait. And it's being vindicated with every second #21 plays on the court.

Embiid = Hinkie. Anything this guy does in his career, bring it back to SH. Because he's the one that invested all of his resources into making sure he was healthy and waiting to build the team around this guy. He didn't just sit back and take the sure thing pick. He wasn't a sure thing at all. But the way he was handled, by SH, he became one.

Boston was taking him at 5 if he slid. Orlando, no idea. But Embidd wasn't getting past Boston. Thats been pretty well documented, and even when it looked like it was a bad mistake by Boston to have that strategy.

Boston had the 6th pick, but I agree.

At 5? I meant directly after 5.

Okay I screwed that one up! But the point stands. There absolutely are prospects that could go 8 or 28 (see SKal last draft). For those that want tp trumpet Hinkie for picking Embiid, Embiid wasn't sliding past 6.

That said, Ainge isn't a moron, and all of that doesn't take away the courage of risking a top 3 pick on a guy who doesn't play until you are fired ( sad face emoji).

[bedjawII]

I love when people say "Hinkie got lucky with Embiid, he wanted Wiggins!" without any proof to those claims, but then on the other hand, say when people claim Okafor was forced on Hinkie and he wanted Porzingis, that it's BS.

Total hypocrisy to fit the agenda.

To be fair (because I say both) Hinkie did luck into JoJo but not because he wanted Wiggins. I believe he preferred Wiggins after JoJo and he truly believed JoJo would go #1. Which he would have if not for the injury! So he did luck into the pick. But I don't hold that against Hinkie. He saw an opportunity and took advantage of it.

I'm hearing more and more about how Hinkie lucked into Embiid over the last couple weeks, as yet again people try to minimize his impact. Why wasn't it such a no brainer for MIL to take him at 2? We have no idea how far he could've slid in the top 10 if Hinkie passed on him bc now everyone is coming out via hindsight. If three teams pass on a high upside injury prone prospect like that, that tends to make people panic and he could have fallen.

Also, Embiids rehabilitation here is different than other places. Hinkie sent Embiid to f'ng Qatar to rehab. What other team would have done that? How don't we know that another team would have rushed him back, because they wanted to save face on the pick? Hinkie had the patience to wait. And it's being vindicated with every second #21 plays on the court.

Embiid = Hinkie. Anything this guy does in his career, bring it back to SH. Because he's the one that invested all of his resources into making sure he was healthy and waiting to build the team around this guy. He didn't just sit back and take the sure thing pick. He wasn't a sure thing at all. But the way he was handled, by SH, he became one.

Lol at Hinkie getting credit for everything JoJo does from here on out. Are you willing to Harris credit? After all, those resources Hinkie invested belong to him. The time invested was Josh. Who paid for him to go to Qatar?

[Unbreakable99]

Boston was taking him at 5 if he slid. Orlando, no idea. But Embidd wasn't getting past Boston. Thats been pretty well documented, and even when it looked like it was a bad mistake by Boston to have that strategy.

Boston had the 6th pick, but I agree.

At 5? I meant directly after 5.

Okay I screwed that one up! But the point stands. There absolutely are prospects that could go 8 or 28 (see SKal last draft). For those that want tp trumpet Hinkie for picking Embiid, Embiid wasn't sliding past 6.

That said, Ainge isn't a moron, and all of that doesn't take away the courage of risking a top 3 pick on a guy who doesn't play until you are fired ( sad face emoji).

And that's why picking high helps. People always say having the worst record doesn't guarantee you get the top pick. No kidding. Being awful at least gets you in the top 5. If we were picking 8th we don't get Embiid because he is taking at least by Boston at 6.

[Arsenal]

Boston was taking him at 5 if he slid. Orlando, no idea. But Embidd wasn't getting past Boston. Thats been pretty well documented, and even when it looked like it was a bad mistake by Boston to have that strategy.

Boston had the 6th pick, but I agree.

At 5? I meant directly after 5.

Okay I screwed that one up! But the point stands. There absolutely are prospects that could go 8 or 28 (see SKal last draft). For those that want tp trumpet Hinkie for picking Embiid, Embiid wasn't sliding past 6.

That said, Ainge isn't a moron, and all of that doesn't take away the courage of risking a top 3 pick on a guy who doesn't play until you are fired ( sad face emoji).

I understand there is a story that Ainge would have taken Embiid at #6. I personally believe it. There are also stories that Ainge was ready to trade his 2016 BKN pick (ended up #3 - took Jaylen Brown) for Jahlil Okafor at the deadline, and also a story that Hinkie was ready to make the deal but Jerry Colangelo quashed it.

I'm not sure why the 1st story has more credibility than the 2nd and the 3rd stories. All 3 were reported by the "legitimate" media.

[Sixerscan]

I try not to believe anything Danny Ainge says.

Of course he lucked into Embiid. That was part of the point. If you're around the top enough chances are you'll eventually get a good result. Trust the process and all that.

[Ericb5]

To be fair (because I say both) Hinkie did luck into JoJo but not because he wanted Wiggins. I believe he preferred Wiggins after JoJo and he truly believed JoJo would go #1. Which he would have if not for the injury! So he did luck into the pick. But I don't hold that against Hinkie. He saw an opportunity and took advantage of it.

I'm hearing more and more about how Hinkie lucked into Embiid over the last couple weeks, as yet again people try to minimize his impact. Why wasn't it such a no brainer for MIL to take him at 2? We have no idea how far he could've slid in the top 10 if Hinkie passed on him bc now everyone is coming out via hindsight. If three teams pass on a high upside injury prone prospect like that, that tends to make people panic and he could have fallen.

Also, Embiids rehabilitation here is different than other places. Hinkie sent Embiid to f'ng Qatar to rehab. What other team would have done that? How don't we know that another team would have rushed him back, because they wanted to save face on the pick? Hinkie had the patience to wait. And it's being vindicated with every second #21 plays on the court.

Embiid = Hinkie. Anything this guy does in his career, bring it back to SH. Because he's the one that invested all of his resources into making sure he was healthy and waiting to build the team around this guy. He didn't just sit back and take the sure thing pick. He wasn't a sure thing at all. But the way he was handled, by SH, he became one.

Lol at Hinkie getting credit for everything JoJo does from here on out. Are you willing to Harris credit? After all, those resources Hinkie invested belong to him. The time invested was Josh. Who paid for him to go to Qatar?

Hinkie gets credit for Embiid being on the team. He also gets credit for hiring the right coaches and sports science guys, and picking the right doctors, and all sorts of things that led to Embiid being healthy today.

He isn't he only person to get credit, but if five years from now the Sixers win the title with Embiid and Simmons leading then a large part of the credit will go to Hinkie.


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[jbent87]

To be fair (because I say both) Hinkie did luck into JoJo but not because he wanted Wiggins. I believe he preferred Wiggins after JoJo and he truly believed JoJo would go #1. Which he would have if not for the injury! So he did luck into the pick. But I don't hold that against Hinkie. He saw an opportunity and took advantage of it.

I'm hearing more and more about how Hinkie lucked into Embiid over the last couple weeks, as yet again people try to minimize his impact. Why wasn't it such a no brainer for MIL to take him at 2? We have no idea how far he could've slid in the top 10 if Hinkie passed on him bc now everyone is coming out via hindsight. If three teams pass on a high upside injury prone prospect like that, that tends to make people panic and he could have fallen.

Also, Embiids rehabilitation here is different than other places. Hinkie sent Embiid to f'ng Qatar to rehab. What other team would have done that? How don't we know that another team would have rushed him back, because they wanted to save face on the pick? Hinkie had the patience to wait. And it's being vindicated with every second #21 plays on the court.

Embiid = Hinkie. Anything this guy does in his career, bring it back to SH. Because he's the one that invested all of his resources into making sure he was healthy and waiting to build the team around this guy. He didn't just sit back and take the sure thing pick. He wasn't a sure thing at all. But the way he was handled, by SH, he became one.

Lol at Hinkie getting credit for everything JoJo does from here on out. Are you willing to Harris credit? After all, those resources Hinkie invested belong to him. The time invested was Josh. Who paid for him to go to Qatar?

Josh Harris wouldn't know what a basketball was if TJ McConnell gave him a no look pass in the face. He is signing the checks down there but he has no input to basketball related decisions. Which is why it was so easy for him to fold from the outside pressure once the NBA told him to backdoor his guy. He wanted to take this team/asset and maximize it's value via Hinkies plan. To sign up for that then to bail on Hinkie in the 11th hour is incredibly weasley.