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Carmelo #3: Vertical: Knicks want to trade Melo and build around Kristaps Porzingis

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Re: Melo destination 

Post#361 » by DOT » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:54 pm

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plenty of folk but, thanks for you insightful post. You've dazzled me with your analysis of the situation.

Well, here's the thing. Neither you nor I know what goes through KP's head, and given only a year and a half of data, combined with him idolizing Melo growing up, it's natural that he would defer to Melo as the primary option on the team. Combine that with him not being able to reliably create his own shot, and we see why he's second. Finally, we have a few games where KP played without Melo, and he did just fine as the first option, but the rest of the team around him was nowhere near good enough for him to win.
Ergo, only time will tell if KP has the fire and assertiveness.

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we got our ass handed to us every time Melo missed a game and it became painfully aparant that this team has no chance of winning without him. He had a few decent games without Melo but, not great and showed he can't carry us as a number 1. So, you guys want to get rid of the one guy that gives us a chance.

Its not Melo's fault the team went away from the ball movement, the passing and cutting that works well early on. Until that time, this board was far from divided. That's when the nosedive began and it's not on Melo. When he iso's, he'll pass as its was mentioned early in this thread but, guys stopped moving and cutting and just started watching him. That's on the coaching staff.

Wow, its almost as if the team is built around Melo, Melo's the best player, and Melo is the key to winning
Take the best player off any other mediocre team and they suck too, doesn't mean KP won't become an alpha
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Re: Carmelo #3: Vertical: Knicks want to trade Melo and build around Kristaps Porzingis 

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Re: Carmelo #3: Vertical: Knicks want to trade Melo and build around Kristaps Porzingis 

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Re: Carmelo #3: Vertical: Knicks want to trade Melo and build around Kristaps Porzingis 

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Re: Carmelo #3: Vertical: Knicks want to trade Melo and build around Kristaps Porzingis 

Post#365 » by mpharris36 » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:55 pm

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I'd rather have Boston's 2018 picks. That's quicker capital. If we have to trade with the Clippers, I'd take the 2020-2021 picks and try to pry away Austin Rivers


see I think that is faulty thinking. Not only do I not want to see Bos with Melo (i like melo that would be tough). BOS 2018 pick is a lock to be non lottery. That is a non asset. You need to take the risk that LAC might be bad in 3-4 years and convey a lotto pick.

Non lotto picks wont do anything other than get you a young player that probably will be a non factor. You gotta role the dice and i know you would have to wait but the asset could be far greater.
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Re: Carmelo #3: Vertical: Knicks want to trade Melo and build around Kristaps Porzingis 

Post#366 » by Mecca » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:55 pm

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Tell that to the Celtic fans who are about to add three top 5 lottery picks in as many years due to the Pierce/Garnett trade. Patience is a virtue.

different situations...the Celtics didn't have a young player like KP already on their roster

KP will be very close to his prime by the time those picks come around, I'm looking to win games at that point and not waste away his prime years, not develop rookies...like I said earlier, they'd be most valuable to me as trade chips for a win now piece


Only reason you take those picks is because it becomes an asset in a year or two if Jimmy/Boogie type of player becomes available. Mp and pooch brought that up to me.
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Re: Carmelo #3: Vertical: Knicks want to trade Melo and build around Kristaps Porzingis 

Post#367 » by DOT » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:55 pm

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Not saying we don't want him. I'm saying Doc will make him untradeable.

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Re: Carmelo #3: Vertical: Knicks want to trade Melo and build around Kristaps Porzingis 

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When I see this, logically, you see a lot of "OR" in here.

Like young players OR expiring contracts OR mid-tier and picks.

I just don't think, as good as Melo is, the fact that he's older, under contract a few more years, has a NTC and has some defensive liabilities, just isn't bring back a large haul.
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Re: Carmelo #3: Vertical: Knicks want to trade Melo and build around Kristaps Porzingis 

Post#369 » by Jay10 » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:56 pm

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Not saying we don't want him. I'm saying Doc will make him untradeable.


Chris Paul and Blake Griffin possibly being free agents this summer has to be more important to Doc. His son is still going to collect his checks.
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Re: Carmelo #3: Vertical: Knicks want to trade Melo and build around Kristaps Porzingis 

Post#372 » by mpharris36 » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:57 pm

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Not saying we don't want him. I'm saying Doc will make him untradeable.



good make doc pick his own son over blake
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Re: Carmelo #3: Vertical: Knicks want to trade Melo and build around Kristaps Porzingis 

Post#373 » by Mecca » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:57 pm

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I'd rather have Boston's 2018 picks. That's quicker capital. If we have to trade with the Clippers, I'd take the 2020-2021 picks and try to pry away Austin Rivers


see I think that is faulty thinking. Not only do I not want to see Bos with Melo (i like melo that would be tough). BOS 2018 pick is a lock to be non lottery. That is a non asset. You need to take the risk that LAC might be bad in 3-4 years and convey a lotto pick.

Non lotto picks wont do anything other than get you a young player that probably will be a non factor. You gotta role the dice and i know you would have to wait but the asset could be far greater.


Boston has the Grizzlies 2018 pick as well. Would you rather have two picks from 15-22 or wait 3 more years for a pick that may or may not be in the lotto. Anyone's guess tbh.

Only reason I choose the 2020 picks is to move them in a year or two for a young player.
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Re: Carmelo #3: Vertical: Knicks want to trade Melo and build around Kristaps Porzingis 

Post#374 » by Jay10 » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:57 pm

blueNorange wrote:rivers is garbage, redick is way better than him.


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Re: Carmelo #3: Vertical: Knicks want to trade Melo and build around Kristaps Porzingis 

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When I see this, logically, you see a lot of "OR" in here.

Like young players OR expiring contracts OR mid-tier and picks.

I just don't think, as good as Melo is, the fact that he's older, under contract a few more years, has a NTC and has some defensive liabilities, just isn't bring back a large haul.

I don't want to move him just to move him though
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Re: Carmelo #3: Vertical: Knicks want to trade Melo and build around Kristaps Porzingis 

Post#376 » by NYKnicksTAPE » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:57 pm

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Tell that to the Celtic fans who are about to add three top 5 lottery picks in as many years due to the Pierce/Garnett trade. Patience is a virtue.

different situations...the Celtics didn't have a young player like KP already on their roster

KP will be very close to his prime by the time those picks come around, I'm looking to win games at that point and not waste away his prime years, not develop rookies...like I said earlier, they'd be most valuable to me as trade chips for a win now piece


Only reason you take those picks is because it becomes an asset in a year or two if Jimmy/Boogie type of player becomes available. Mp and pooch brought that up to me.

yeah, I'd value them as trade pieces if they became premium picks
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Re: Vertical: Knicks want to trade Melo and build around Kristaps Porzinigis 

Post#377 » by MartinsLusis » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:58 pm

Oscirus wrote:Who the hell is leaking this stuff? :o Didn't Phil supposedly fix that.


He's doing it himself. He wants to piss Melo off so he would waive his NTC.
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Post#380 » by Capn'O » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:58 pm

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