start ish smith. trade reggie for rajon rondo

[DBC10]

I'd much prefer Dragic for Reggie.

I'd even be willing to do Whiteside for Dre. Whiteside actually blocks shots and has a post game with a jumper

Yeah, Whiteside isn't as good as his flashy defense shows, but he's a guy to respect when driving to the rim, and he's so much better on offense than Dre.

Surprisingly, like Pandev said, Whiteside does have a developing jumper. He used to always hit those in college if I recall.

Which is hell of a lot better than anything Drummond is capable on offense. That and Whiteside's insane wingspan that allows him to dunk without even jumping.

[Cowology]

The frustrating thing with Dre is he has the physical tools to be far more dominant than Whiteside. Theoretically he can go by bigger/slower defenders and through smaller/quicker ones. As long as he continues to develop that lil jump hook it doesn't really matter if he can face up and hit from 10-12 feet.

But that "potential" tag only lasts for so long. Yes, he's still young and developing... but it's more a mentality and understanding of how to use his body than a skillset to develop and we haven't seen a whole lot of change since his rookie season. I'm not ready to give up on his offensive game just yet, but it would help if we had a PG who kept him engaged and was able to get him the ball in better spots. Even Will Bynum did a better job of setting him up.

I don't think either Dragic or Rondo are the answer though and unfortunately Chris Pauls don't exactly grow on trees. We aren't going to land a PG who can distribute, shoot and defend. John Wall is probably the closest facsimile that *might* be available in the right deal and that's also a stretch.

[StunnaStan]

Our problem is NOT Reggie. Drummond is our main problem. We need someone who can score and adding rondo will not benefit this team. RJ is our only player who brings it every night on the offensive end... id trade dre before I trade Reggie. We can't run the offense through Drummond because he sucks lol


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even ill admit ive wanted more from dre this season...... that said, ill show you why were not getting the best out of him right now.

shot attempts per game
rj-14
kcp-12
mook-13
tobias-13
dre-11

on average, dre has been the last option on offense this season. rj and the rest of the guys on the perimeter have been try to playing around with the ball taking mad jumpers. now while 3 shot per game difference between rj and dre might not seem that significant, its shows that our team has absoulutely no heirarchy on offense. Now take a look at these numbers

rj- .435%
kcp-.422%
mook- .412%
tob- .484%
AND Dre- .531%

would you look at that. Our last Option andre drummond makes 53% of his shots. Like i admitted before, ive wanted more from dre this season, but you have to get in order to be able to give and dre aint getting the damn ball enough!. I wont post any more numbers but yall watch the games just like i do so we seeing that exact same thing. The hottest team in the league other than the warriors is the....76ers. the have a plethora of bigmen down there but from their last season till now, they've only just recently(december-january) started playing through their bigmen completely. If you claim to know about basketball, then you should know the most classic fundamental rule of team basketball. YOU HAVE TO PLAY INSIDE - OUT. hes making 53% of his shots on a off year. HE SHOULD really be getting like 18 19 shots a game. he misses 1 hook they goo away from him but a week or 2 ago i watched 4 quarters of mook missing every shot basically and he kept getting the ball.

how many times do we feed dre early in the 1st quarter then go away from him the rest of the game just expecting and relying on him to go and grab the rebound? How often then not does reggie take 5-6 seconds just to get over half court and another 5-7 seconds just to get the 1st pick of the offense, all the while pounding the ball doing/creating nothing? How often do you see mook touch the ball and just know he wont pass it back out?

have you ever wondered how many offensive sets we run? im sure we have a hell of alot more plays then what we show on a night to night basis but as soon as ish went to the bench for reggie, thats **** went out the window. if yall go back to find the one thread i made a couple months back about how i said myself "i was wrong about kcp, hes really stepped it up", i made that thread right before rj came back and messed up everything. kcp plays better with ish because ish plays fast and hes always looking to get in the lane quick and dish.

my fingers tired lol but im telling yall man, dre aint getting enough shots, rj aint it and gotta go.

The problem with the shooting percentages you posted is that Dre shoots ONLY 2 pointers and doesn't make FT's.

In today's league, with 30 guys shooting above 40% and above from the 3 point line depending on what is historically a highly efficient 2point shot is a fast way to lose basketball games.

Unless your big man is shooting above 50%, drawing fouls AND making free throws that high percentage is pretty much fools gold....

Last time I checked, we arent that good of a 3 point shooting team. nobody on the roster hits 40% from the 3pt line. dre might not be a good free throw shooter but he always makes 55% of his shots NUFF SAID. you talking as if were their the warriors. Just because running up and jacking a 3 in 5 seconds works for a team with 2 mvps and klay thompson doesnt mean it's going to work with a team with f'ing reggie jackson and kcp. we dont have similar personal to any of the 3pt jacking teams. let alone, were barely move the ball on offense compared to other teams out here splashing 3's.

Look at our team and look at memphis. If memphis played anything like the pistons, gasol would be getting 9 shots a game while chandler parsons and conley chuck up shots. they're smart enough to play through their bigman. just because gasol and dre's games are different doesnt change the fact that you need to play through the bigman. the teams svg had in orlando when they were going to the finals would always start by dumping the ball to dwight to make the defense collapse and that what would start all the movement. we got rj lullying his way up court and instead of having dre just hit the block and catch the ball, we have him set these useless screens for guys who arent even aggresive in attacking off of the pick. teams aint falling for that rj dre p&r as much as they were last year. whatever

[Pandev]

Looks like Knicks are going to trade Melo to the Clippers, I wonder if we could be the 3rd team and flip a few a few unwanted pieces like Jackson, Baynes.

Would love to get Jamal Crawford

[In SVG We Trust]

This guy has compared Marc Gasol with Dre... Damn, he must be high.

[MotownMadness]

Looks like Knicks are going to trade Melo to the Clippers, I wonder if we could be the 3rd team and flip a few a few unwanted pieces like Jackson, Baynes.

Would love to get Jamal Crawford

I would quit watching Pistons if we took on that horrible Crawford contract right now. LAC is going to have a hell of a time finding a third team to take that on.

[mojosodope]

even ill admit ive wanted more from dre this season...... that said, ill show you why were not getting the best out of him right now.

shot attempts per game
rj-14
kcp-12
mook-13
tobias-13
dre-11

on average, dre has been the last option on offense this season. rj and the rest of the guys on the perimeter have been try to playing around with the ball taking mad jumpers. now while 3 shot per game difference between rj and dre might not seem that significant, its shows that our team has absoulutely no heirarchy on offense. Now take a look at these numbers

rj- .435%
kcp-.422%
mook- .412%
tob- .484%
AND Dre- .531%

would you look at that. Our last Option andre drummond makes 53% of his shots. Like i admitted before, ive wanted more from dre this season, but you have to get in order to be able to give and dre aint getting the damn ball enough!. I wont post any more numbers but yall watch the games just like i do so we seeing that exact same thing. The hottest team in the league other than the warriors is the....76ers. the have a plethora of bigmen down there but from their last season till now, they've only just recently(december-january) started playing through their bigmen completely. If you claim to know about basketball, then you should know the most classic fundamental rule of team basketball. YOU HAVE TO PLAY INSIDE - OUT. hes making 53% of his shots on a off year. HE SHOULD really be getting like 18 19 shots a game. he misses 1 hook they goo away from him but a week or 2 ago i watched 4 quarters of mook missing every shot basically and he kept getting the ball.

how many times do we feed dre early in the 1st quarter then go away from him the rest of the game just expecting and relying on him to go and grab the rebound? How often then not does reggie take 5-6 seconds just to get over half court and another 5-7 seconds just to get the 1st pick of the offense, all the while pounding the ball doing/creating nothing? How often do you see mook touch the ball and just know he wont pass it back out?

have you ever wondered how many offensive sets we run? im sure we have a hell of alot more plays then what we show on a night to night basis but as soon as ish went to the bench for reggie, thats **** went out the window. if yall go back to find the one thread i made a couple months back about how i said myself "i was wrong about kcp, hes really stepped it up", i made that thread right before rj came back and messed up everything. kcp plays better with ish because ish plays fast and hes always looking to get in the lane quick and dish.

my fingers tired lol but im telling yall man, dre aint getting enough shots, rj aint it and gotta go.

The problem with the shooting percentages you posted is that Dre shoots ONLY 2 pointers and doesn't make FT's.

In today's league, with 30 guys shooting above 40% and above from the 3 point line depending on what is historically a highly efficient 2point shot is a fast way to lose basketball games.

Unless your big man is shooting above 50%, drawing fouls AND making free throws that high percentage is pretty much fools gold....

Last time I checked, we arent that good of a 3 point shooting team. nobody on the roster hits 40% from the 3pt line. dre might not be a good free throw shooter but he always makes 55% of his shots NUFF SAID. you talking as if were their the warriors. Just because running up and jacking a 3 in 5 seconds works for a team with 2 mvps and klay thompson doesnt mean it's going to work with a team with f'ing reggie jackson and kcp. we dont have similar personal to any of the 3pt jacking teams. let alone, were barely move the ball on offense compared to other teams out here splashing 3's.

Look at our team and look at memphis. If memphis played anything like the pistons, gasol would be getting 9 shots a game while chandler parsons and conley chuck up shots. they're smart enough to play through their bigman. just because gasol and dre's games are different doesnt change the fact that you need to play through the bigman. the teams svg had in orlando when they were going to the finals would always start by dumping the ball to dwight to make the defense collapse and that what would start all the movement. we got rj lullying his way up court and instead of having dre just hit the block and catch the ball, we have him set these useless screens for guys who arent even aggresive in attacking off of the pick. teams aint falling for that rj dre p&r as much as they were last year. whatever

Actually...I wasn't talking about US shooting that well from 3, but rather our opponents who's 40%+ shooting form 3 will beat dre's 55% from 2. It's kinda simple math. In today's league you have to score more than 2 points a bucket. 55% or not, that fading away hook isn't getting him to the line enough and even if it was....he's a really really poor FT shooter

As far as your other points, like moving the ball, I don't disagree, however your recollection of what was going on in orlando is slightly off. The most FGA's Dwight averaged in orlando was 13.4 during his last 2 seasons and he was still shooting a higher percentage than Dre is this season.

[joedumars1]

Nice thread to read during this game. Whitseide (27) for Dre (23) get it done Stan GET IT DONE