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Bradley Beal - Part III

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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#501 » by DCZards » Tue Feb 7, 2017 8:44 pm

nate33 wrote:Beal's ORtg over his career:

2012-13 - 102
2013-14 - 103
2014-15 - 102
2015-16 - 103
2016-17 - 116 :o

I think that's what they call a "breakout".


It's all about BB being healthy. I've consistently argued for the past year that last season--when Beal was in and out of the lineup with injuries--was NOT the time to judge his talent and potential.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#502 » by tontoz » Tue Feb 7, 2017 9:18 pm

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nate33 wrote:Beal's ORtg over his career:

2012-13 - 102
2013-14 - 103
2014-15 - 102
2015-16 - 103
2016-17 - 116 :o

I think that's what they call a "breakout".


It's all about BB being healthy. I've consistently argued for the past year that last season--when Beal was in and out of the lineup with injuries--was NOT the time to judge his talent and potential.



His good play this year started immediately after an injury. He started this season looking pretty bad. He has had healthy stretches in past seasons and never played close to this level, not even for a 2 week span.

Good health doesn't explain his change in shot selection, the new moves he has added off the dribble, improved foul shooting, shooting 10% better from midrange, etc. Maybe one day he will explain it in an interview.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#503 » by pcbothwel » Tue Feb 7, 2017 9:18 pm

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nate33 wrote:Beal's ORtg over his career:

2012-13 - 102
2013-14 - 103
2014-15 - 102
2015-16 - 103
2016-17 - 116 :o

I think that's what they call a "breakout".


It's all about BB being healthy. I've consistently argued for the past year that last season--when Beal was in and out of the lineup with injuries--was NOT the time to judge his talent and potential.


Our talent offensively is really something, and while i dont want to get ahead of myself, our defense could get a lot better when Mahinmi gets back. High IQ Defensive Big men have a way of making the entire unit better. We already know how good our 1-4, Oubre, and Sato can be as on the ball defenders. Im interested to see if we gel even more defensively
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#504 » by DCZards » Tue Feb 7, 2017 9:47 pm

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nate33 wrote:Beal's ORtg over his career:

2012-13 - 102
2013-14 - 103
2014-15 - 102
2015-16 - 103
2016-17 - 116 :o

I think that's what they call a "breakout".


It's all about BB being healthy. I've consistently argued for the past year that last season--when Beal was in and out of the lineup with injuries--was NOT the time to judge his talent and potential.



His good play this year started immediately after an injury. He started this season looking pretty bad. He has had healthy stretches in past seasons and never played close to this level, not even for a 2 week span.

Good health doesn't explain his change in shot selection, the new moves he has added off the dribble, improved foul shooting, shooting 10% better from midrange, etc. Maybe one day he will explain it in an interview.


I agree with you. Beal's shot selection is better, although I'd argue that we started seeing signs of that last season. And he's clearly worked on certain dribble moves, including that step back jumper. He's also attacking the basket more, which is a great trend that's been emerging over the past couple of seasons.

It's clear that Beal has continued to work on his game and that has contributed significantly to his improved play. But the fact that he's been mostly healthy this season, instead of in and out of the lineup like a yo-yo, has made a huge difference as well.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#505 » by Kanyewest » Tue Feb 7, 2017 10:15 pm

tontoz wrote:
DCZards wrote:
nate33 wrote:Beal's ORtg over his career:

2012-13 - 102
2013-14 - 103
2014-15 - 102
2015-16 - 103
2016-17 - 116 :o

I think that's what they call a "breakout".


It's all about BB being healthy. I've consistently argued for the past year that last season--when Beal was in and out of the lineup with injuries--was NOT the time to judge his talent and potential.



His good play this year started immediately after an injury. He started this season looking pretty bad. He has had healthy stretches in past seasons and never played close to this level, not even for a 2 week span.

Good health doesn't explain his change in shot selection, the new moves he has added off the dribble, improved foul shooting, shooting 10% better from midrange, etc. Maybe one day he will explain it in an interview.


Other possible theories for Beal

- He doesn't play many minutes with the bench anymore to begin the 2nd quarter. Perhaps the new rotations have helped him save energy.
- He has looked to attack the basket more and sometimes gets very easy looks off the dribble.
- Beal just seems stronger, he seems to generate more lift on his mid-range shot.
- Practice makes perfect- it took a while for Wall to become consistent at 2 pointers.
- Otto Porter play has been better than any small forward has ever played with.
- Morris has his flaw but he helps stretch the floor certainly more than Nene. Beal also played well in the postseason when Pierce played the 4.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#506 » by tontoz » Tue Feb 7, 2017 10:55 pm

All I know for sure is that this breakout is a legit one. At this point the large sample size and additional moves in the arsenal rule out the possibility that it is a fluke.

Add in a few more rebounds and DCzards will have his Mitch Richmond 2.0.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#507 » by CobraCommander » Tue Feb 7, 2017 11:22 pm

tontoz wrote:All I know for sure is that this breakout is a legit one. At this point the large sample size and additional moves in the arsenal rule out the possibility that it is a fluke.

Add in a few more rebounds and DCzards will have his Mitch Richmond 2.0.



That is high praise. Mitch was a grown man in the league.

Beal was compared with Ray Allen in college, then Allen Houston last year and now Mitch... ill take either of those guys in thier prime. Would rather it be Ray but any of them will do.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#508 » by tontoz » Tue Feb 7, 2017 11:53 pm

CobraCommander wrote:
tontoz wrote:All I know for sure is that this breakout is a legit one. At this point the large sample size and additional moves in the arsenal rule out the possibility that it is a fluke.

Add in a few more rebounds and DCzards will have his Mitch Richmond 2.0.



That is high praise. Mitch was a grown man in the league.

Beal was compared with Ray Allen in college, then Allen Houston last year and now Mitch... ill take either of those guys in thier prime. Would rather it be Ray but any of them will do.


I am pretty sure Zards made the Mitch comparison early on, maybe even at the time of the draft. I thought it was a better comparison than Allen.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#509 » by Induveca » Wed Feb 8, 2017 1:28 am

Also loving that he has learned to absorb his falls after contact. His improved handle also great to watch.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#510 » by DCZards » Wed Feb 8, 2017 1:44 am

tontoz wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:
tontoz wrote:All I know for sure is that this breakout is a legit one. At this point the large sample size and additional moves in the arsenal rule out the possibility that it is a fluke.

Add in a few more rebounds and DCzards will have his Mitch Richmond 2.0.



That is high praise. Mitch was a grown man in the league.

Beal was compared with Ray Allen in college, then Allen Houston last year and now Mitch... ill take either of those guys in thier prime. Would rather it be Ray but any of them will do.


I am pretty sure Zards made the Mitch comparison early on, maybe even at the time of the draft. I thought it was a better comparison than Allen.


Yep...I compared Beal to Mitch when the Zards drafted him. Probably a combination of wishful thinking and the fact that I was a big fan of Richmond's game.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#511 » by tontoz » Wed Feb 8, 2017 1:48 am

Just out of curiosity i went back and looked at Mitch Richmonds highest scoring season. In the 96/97 season he averaged...

24.1 pts per 36 minutes with a TS of 57.8%

This year Beal is averaging..

23 pts per 36 minutes with a TS of 59.3%.

Richmond actually shot 3s better than Beal (42.8%) but Beal is taking 2 more 3s per 36 and is shooting over 6% better on 2s.

Mitch was 31 at the time.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#512 » by CobraCommander » Thu Feb 9, 2017 12:45 am

tontoz wrote:Just out of curiosity i went back and looked at Mitch Richmonds highest scoring season. In the 96/97 season he averaged...

24.1 pts per 36 minutes with a TS of 57.8%

This year Beal is averaging..

23 pts per 36 minutes with a TS of 59.3%.

Richmond actually shot 3s better than Beal (42.8%) but Beal is taking 2 more 3s per 36 and is shooting over 6% better on 2s.

Mitch was 31 at the time.



Wow beal trending!
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#513 » by tontoz » Thu Feb 9, 2017 3:45 am

Very impressed with the way Beal played tonight against the Nets after that draining game against the Cavs. I think you could realistically make the case that he is the best 2 in the East now that Butler plays the 3.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#514 » by tontoz » Thu Feb 9, 2017 2:27 pm

I think Brooks might have gotten the memo about Beal's rebounding. I was watching him closely last night and he wasn't leaking out early. There was only one time where he started going back early. He closed out hard on a jump shooter on the baseline. He flew past the guy and wound up out of bounds, then casually started trotting to the other end. That wasn't even the type of play I was talking about.

it might have been the Knicks/Lakers games that got Brooks' attention. In those two games Beal got only 2 defensive rebounds in 66 minutes of play. I need to see more to be sure about this.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#515 » by payitforward » Thu Feb 9, 2017 3:22 pm

DCZards wrote:
tontoz wrote:
DCZards wrote:It's all about BB being healthy. I've consistently argued for the past year that last season--when Beal was in and out of the lineup with injuries--was NOT the time to judge his talent and potential.

His good play this year started immediately after an injury. He started this season looking pretty bad. He has had healthy stretches in past seasons and never played close to this level, not even for a 2 week span.

Good health doesn't explain his change in shot selection, the new moves he has added off the dribble, improved foul shooting, shooting 10% better from midrange, etc. Maybe one day he will explain it in an interview.

I agree with you. Beal's shot selection is better, although I'd argue that we started seeing signs of that last season. And he's clearly worked on certain dribble moves, including that step back jumper. He's also attacking the basket more, which is a great trend that's been emerging over the past couple of seasons.

It's clear that Beal has continued to work on his game and that has contributed significantly to his improved play. But the fact that he's been mostly healthy this season, instead of in and out of the lineup like a yo-yo, has made a huge difference as well.

TBH, who the Hell knows? In fact, there's no way to know -- and no reason to care either! It's just terrific to see him develop so well.

Obviously, we do all want him to stay healthy! :)
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#516 » by J-Ves » Thu Feb 9, 2017 8:20 pm

Here are Beal's numbers post 4 game slump vs MEM, NYK, DET, and CHO in which he shot a combined 18-59(31%) from the field and 5-30(17%) from three:
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Talk about a bounce back :lol:
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#517 » by Illmatic12 » Thu Feb 9, 2017 8:24 pm

:lol: Brad is going home to this every night, it's no wonder he's having a career season


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And she cooks for him too, man.. trust me, there are times when a good woman can be the secret to happiness.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#518 » by tontoz » Thu Feb 9, 2017 8:32 pm

That explains a lot. :lol:
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#519 » by krii » Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:43 pm

Brad before this season
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#520 » by deneem4 » Sat Feb 11, 2017 6:53 am

Beal has potential to be the best shooting guard in the league...once he realizes wall is the best player on the team...
Pay your beals....or its lights out!!!
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