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Post#1 » by batsmasher » Thu Feb 9, 2017 5:39 am

Hahahahaha good one Brandon Knight sucks. /thread

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Look, I get it. Brandon Knight cost a boatload to get. The Lakers are looking so bad this year that it looks like the pick will convey to Philly in 2018. And realistically, there aren’t many ways for the Lakers to turn into a playoff team in a year.

But really, most of you here will agree Ryan McDonough is a pretty good GM. It wasn’t long ago everyone in the NBA universe thought Tyson Chandler’s contract was going to be a sunk cost. Times change, things happen. Unfortunately for Brandon Knight… not many good things have happened since his trade here, and I’m trying to figure out why.

Take me back 2 years, we traded the Philly pick after moving on from IT and Goran. In part, I believe our fan base resents BK for who he was chosen over. Goran’s in the middle of a 10 game win streak on a depleted Heat (go Spo!) and IT is playing out of his mind in Boston… ranked number 6 on the MVP ladder right now. It hurts. It hurts a lot.

Back then, BK was touted as an injury replacement for the All-Star game. He was eventually snubbed by Adam Silver in favor of Kyle Korver who was amidst a wild shooting patch in Atlanta’s 60 win season. BK was having a good year in Milwaukee. It remains the only time he has posted a positive NetRtg (+2). The 4.5 win shares he posted in Milwaukee (52 games) puts him a touch behind the career year Eric Bledsoe is having (5.0 WS from the first 50 games).

He posted a respectable TS% of 55.6% before leaving for Phoenix, helped mightily by his 40.9% 3 point shooting . Keep in mind, he was doing this on a team that finished the season with the 26th best offense. It wasn’t easy work in Milwaukee. Did I mention he lead the team in PPG?

Dare I say, Brandon Knight was pretty good. McD was prepared to pay the high asking price. There was plenty of apprehension at the time of the trade… plenty on here too. It was justified. Many people had an asterisk next to BK’s name. The advanced stats may have said one thing, but the eye test certainly said another. Brandon Knight has always been a weird concoction of a player. A shooting guard with the body of a point guard. A fairly poor passer. High character and IQ off the court, yet a poor BBIQ. He’s one massive contradiction, compacted into a basketball player.

The 14-15 Suns were meddling among the bottom third of the Western Conference, but the hope was BK could push us towards the 8th seed. Instead he ended up playing 7 full games and 3 half games before rolling his ankle badly (it later resulted in surgery to clean some cartlidge out). Those 10 games were viewed by many as an acclimation period. The poor shooting (36% FG%, 31% from 3) wasn’t really a worry. The Suns knew those 10 games wouldn’t be a reflection of his time in Phoenix. Oh, how wrong they were.

I understand fantasy scores are a very crude and simple way of looking at production, but they at least give you a basic overview of performance in games. Here’s BK’s fantasy chart for his tenure in PHX to date, stats courtesy of Basketball Monster.

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The good has always come with the bad with BK. That’s the type of player he is, streaky streaky you might say (you definitely wouldn’t say that, let’s be real). The start of the 2015 season looked rather promising. Why the starting lineup of Bled-BK-PJ-Kieff-Chandler managed to work for BK isn’t exactly clear. Perhaps the consistent 30+ minutes per game starting had something to do with it. Perhaps he feels more comfortable wearing #3. Who the heck knows? What we do know is BK managed to post a positive on-off for the 2015-16 season (+1.7 per 100 possessions).

The biggest change for BK has come in his shot selection. In every season up to this one, BK has been loitering in the high 30% range on the frequency of 3 point shots. This season he’s only jacking up a 3 on 25% of his shots. His PnR has improved as a result, he’s jumped from the 39th percentile last season to the 56th percentile (0.84 PPP). Progress?

Here’s the biggest problem though, he’s practically still running the same number of PnRs (42% in 15-16, 44% this season). He’s shooting less 3s but still taking the same types of shots across the board. Where have these shots gone? Well inside the arc of course. Some into the territory called no man’s land. He’s shooting 5.2% more 10-16 footers (the anti-Morey). HE SHOOTS 36% ON IT. THAT IS NOT GOOD. In fact, he is shooting 36% on all shots between 3 and 16 feet. These shots take up 49% of his offense. That is plain awful. And really, the solution is to stop him shooting those shots. Easier said than done.

BK’s 16’-17’ shot chart, courtesy of vorped.

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That left top of the break 3 is his favorite one. He shot only 33% on it last season but has improved on that this time around. The dip in 3 point shooting has coming from the right top of the break and in the corners, albeit on limited attempts. The inside scoring has also fallen flat, but that probably has something to do with his increased aggression going to the basket.

Generally speaking, this new approach to the PnR has seen him be more effective, despite the uptick in the mid ranger. His FT rate has jumped from just 20.4% to 30.4%, an impressive and welcome uptick given he has always been a good foul shooter. Of course, even though he’s finishing worse at the rim, the fact that he’s taking more shots at the rim means he’s a more effective player (5.7% more of his possessions are finishing at the rim).

Some of you may be aware I’m president of BK Island. On this island all I have asked for is a primary playmaker next to BK. I’ve advocated for Ulis, I think he can be that guy. The bad news for BK Islanders is the initial numbers aren’t good at all. The Ulis-BK combo is posting a sterling -21.1 NetRtg in the 80 minutes played. I don’t know if that’s a true reflection of the combo, but yikes, even for a small sample size that is bad. It is possible Ulis (and the rest of the lineup) may be deferring to BK and not taking any initiative on offense. It’s also possible BK is completely useless off the ball.

I argue that the truth is somewhere in between. BK clearly believes (or believed) he was a starter coming into this season. Earl’s makeup talk was that BK would be the lead of the second unit. The playmaker, the initiator, the everything on the second unit. That’s part of his undoing at the moment.

Rather than trying to make plays around his 3 point shot, we’re giving him the ball and just saying “go for it”. We’re giving him 2.7% of his possessions as off screens. 2.7%. The only guys that shoot less off screens are non-shooters (and a couple of superstars who live with the ball in their hands). For reference, the best 3 point shooters come off screens at least 15% of the time. Korver, Klay and Redick all come off screens above 30% of the time.

And I guess we are converging towards the bigger issue with BK. Sure, he’s played badly. More importantly, he is also an absolutely terrible fit in an offense which prides itself on taking advantage of mismatches and doesn’t give a damn about the extra pass or assists in general. BK truly is one of those guys that is a great barometer for how good a team’s offensive system is. Unfortunately for him, he is yet to come across one.

He certainly isn’t a guy that you can plug and play within an offense. There are barely any of those guys left in the NBA (we may have traded one for the ‘16 Cavs pick). He can be used minimally in PnR sets. He seems to have figured out how to not be terrible on that front. He know how to shoot the 3. A competent offense could still make good of him. Heck, he’s even got the “I’m a real passing PG” mentality out of him. He’s only turned the ball over 7 times from bad passes this season, down from 92 bad pass TOs last season.

Dunc’d On’s most recent mock trade deadline podcast did ask the question: what is he worth? Dan Feldman said he’d only trade Knight if it were for an asset to save face. Possibly a late first or part of a bigger deal. I have no doubts there are at least a few buyers for BK, the issue being the price. The Nets wouldn’t blink to get a youngish playmaker if BK was traded for neutral value, particularly given how strapped they are. It only takes one GM to fall in love and give up an asset for him, and I’m sure many fans are hoping for that.

The reality of the matter is, fans need to be prepared for him to stay put. McD will firmly back himself and the players he brought in. The only reason he would go out of his way to trade BK is if the situation got dire, in a similar way to the Morrii situation. What we do know in this NBA is situations change overnight. What we forget is, despite all this fluidity, players need time. Some more than others. There are only 240 minutes to spend on a basketball court each night, and for many players, it’s impossible to give them the time they need to figure it out.
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Post#2 » by King4Day » Thu Feb 9, 2017 3:40 pm

Nice write up!

I don't think we deal him either.
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Post#3 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Feb 9, 2017 5:01 pm

Very well thought out post. I agree that knights probably staying put for the time being. Its interesting that if knight were on another team hed be the type of guy the suns should look at stealing away and rehabbing. A youngish guy signed longterm who might need a change of scenery.. that exactly a profile a rebuilding team should target.

Now i do wonder if were hitting a point of no return phase with him where the team doesn't trust him and he doesn't like his role on the team. Sometimes a situation gets so negative both ways its just better for both sides to move on.

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Post#4 » by MathiasPW » Thu Feb 9, 2017 10:35 pm

So, is this already the final version or are we free to add up suggestions and opinions to enrichen the (great) post?

I´d like to point to an apparent contradiction when you say he was such a good offensive player in the Bucks, who were/are a terrible offensive team, and then later you state that he is a barometer to a team´s offensive system. It weakens the argument.

And I´d like to suggest that you break down a bit Knights´ numbers not only season-by-season, but also as this season progresses to show how he has been improving (I clearly have the impression he has been improving, at least), and maybe relate that to the kind of plays he has been making (I´d guess lower % of long-two´s and hypercontested shots at the rim, and higher % of catch-n-shoot).
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Post#5 » by batsmasher » Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:40 am

MathiasPW wrote:So, is this already the final version or are we free to add up suggestions and opinions to enrichen the (great) post?

We would love anyone who has any interest in any capacity to join the team. The more voices the better. If you just want to edit/ suggest before the post comes out, that's all good. Ideally we a get a few more writers too.

PM me if you're interested.

MathiasPW wrote:I´d like to point to an apparent contradiction when you say he was such a good offensive player in the Bucks, who were/are a terrible offensive team, and then later you state that he is a barometer to a team´s offensive system. It weakens the argument.

I can't argue with that. The point was made more to explain McD's point of view on making the trade for BK.

The barometer comment is really more of a personal comment based on what I see. BK certainly isn't an easy player to fit into an offense. Can I prove that either way? Not really because he's never been in a good offensive system.

MathiasPW wrote:And I´d like to suggest that you break down a bit Knights´ numbers not only season-by-season, but also as this season progresses to show how he has been improving (I clearly have the impression he has been improving, at least), and maybe relate that to the kind of plays he has been making (I´d guess lower % of long-two´s and hypercontested shots at the rim, and higher % of catch-n-shoot).

I can't check at the moment because my internet is down (using mobile). But the eye test tells me he's still not shooting nearly enough 3s. Mid range shots are killing more than just him. Bled's about the only guy on the team who uses them to his advantage (allows him to get to the rim with his quickness). Book settles for them. Len has no reason to shoot them.
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Post#6 » by lilfishi22 » Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:08 am

Great piece batsmasher! :nod:

Keeping BK doesn't really hurt us. We've got the financial capacity to keep him on board and he's not kicking up a stink like other players might given the circumstances. I don't think he's one to talk to the media like Dragic did but I wouldn't want to test his resolve either because even though there isn't any smoke, the media will try to build a fire from it. I never thought Dragic would be one to kick up a stink and bring it to the media since he's been a complete professional from day 1 so for him to go to the media wanting out, it shows the kind of player management style McD runs. You mentioned this a bit in your piece and it's totally valid.

So in regards to keeping him, at best he'll stay professional, maybe increase his value in limited minutes and we find a suitor later down the road. At worst, he starts becoming toxic, totally unplayable on the court and just becomes a distraction all-round for the team.
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Post#7 » by TASTIC » Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:24 am

Awesome write-up mate.

I still think he's dealt - to either CHI, MIL or BRK.
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Post#8 » by batsmasher » Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:10 am

lilfishi22 wrote:Great piece batsmasher! :nod:

Keeping BK doesn't really hurt us. We've got the financial capacity to keep him on board and he's not kicking up a stink like other players might given the circumstances. I don't think he's one to talk to the media like Dragic did but I wouldn't want to test his resolve either because even though there isn't any smoke, the media will try to build a fire from it. I never thought Dragic would be one to kick up a stink and bring it to the media since he's been a complete professional from day 1 so for him to go to the media wanting out, it shows the kind of player management style McD runs. You mentioned this a bit in your piece and it's totally valid.

So in regards to keeping him, at best he'll stay professional, maybe increase his value in limited minutes and we find a suitor later down the road. At worst, he starts becoming toxic, totally unplayable on the court and just becomes a distraction all-round for the team.

I wish we had more details on how the Dragic situation deteriorated so quickly. Goran was obviously unhappy with his role but it still went downhill so quickly. I initially thought it was agent talk but everything since then suggests it wasn't.

Plenty of question marks for McD on that side of things. They will erode with time.
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Post#9 » by bwgood77 » Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:42 pm

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lilfishi22 wrote:Great piece batsmasher! :nod:

Keeping BK doesn't really hurt us. We've got the financial capacity to keep him on board and he's not kicking up a stink like other players might given the circumstances. I don't think he's one to talk to the media like Dragic did but I wouldn't want to test his resolve either because even though there isn't any smoke, the media will try to build a fire from it. I never thought Dragic would be one to kick up a stink and bring it to the media since he's been a complete professional from day 1 so for him to go to the media wanting out, it shows the kind of player management style McD runs. You mentioned this a bit in your piece and it's totally valid.

So in regards to keeping him, at best he'll stay professional, maybe increase his value in limited minutes and we find a suitor later down the road. At worst, he starts becoming toxic, totally unplayable on the court and just becomes a distraction all-round for the team.

I wish we had more details on how the Dragic situation deteriorated so quickly. Goran was obviously unhappy with his role but it still went downhill so quickly. I initially thought it was agent talk but everything since then suggests it wasn't.

Plenty of question marks for McD on that side of things. They will erode with time.


I think it boils down to something as simple as being told IT will be dealt soon. In his head "soon" meant a lot sooner than what happened. It's like many of us all eager for a trade to be made, but it is almost always happens at the end. He probably knew he wouldn't be happy long term if IT wasn't traded, and as the deadline approached feared it wasn't going to happen, and envisioned himself in a role he wasn't suited for, felt they hadn't been honest, and just wanted what he felt might be a better situation. He obviously regretted in hindsight, probably particularly after seeing IT get dealt anyway.
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Post#10 » by LukasBMW » Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:46 pm

Since the season is pretty much a lost cause, I'd like to see the Suns try a new starting 5:

Bledsoe
Knight
Booker
Chriss
Tyson


Play Run-&-Gun Warriors style basketball. 4 of our starting 5 guys are legit 3 point threats.

- Knight is happy because he gets to start and his only responsibility is to launch away
- Bledsoe is still the primary ball handler. This keeps the ball out of Knight's hands unless he is shooting (hopefully)
- I'm a bit worried about Booker getting hurt defending larger small forwards, but in today's new NBA, this is probably less of an issue.
- Teams have to respect Chriss from 3 even if his shot isn't 100% consistent yet.

Double teams would really open it up for our 4 perimeter guys and Tyson hold down the middle as the lob king. Sure, our defense would get even worse, but at this point...who cares!

The only thing I worry about is sliding TJ to the bench. I don't want to burn his confidence and I hate to break his rythem. That said, I think a 2nd unit of TJ and Ulis would be super fun to watch especially when you mix in some starters.

And of course to keep everyone from getting tired, you can mix in Barbosa and Len as well for a solid 9 man rotation.

Bender (when he comes back) can bump the rotation to 10

PJ gets traded to a team at the deadline for a 1st round pick (and then resigns with us in the offseason as a free agent :lol: )
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Post#11 » by bwgood77 » Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:19 pm

LukasBMW wrote:Since the season is pretty much a lost cause, I'd like to see the Suns try a new starting 5:

Bledsoe
Knight
Booker
Chriss
Tyson


Play Run-&-Gun Warriors style basketball. 4 of our starting 5 guys are legit 3 point threats.

- Knight is happy because he gets to start and his only responsibility is to launch away
- Bledsoe is still the primary ball handler. This keeps the ball out of Knight's hands unless he is shooting (hopefully)
- I'm a bit worried about Booker getting hurt defending larger small forwards, but in today's new NBA, this is probably less of an issue.
- Teams have to respect Chriss from 3 even if his shot isn't 100% consistent yet.

Double teams would really open it up for our 4 perimeter guys and Tyson hold down the middle as the lob king. Sure, our defense would get even worse, but at this point...who cares!

The only thing I worry about is sliding TJ to the bench. I don't want to burn his confidence and I hate to break his rythem. That said, I think a 2nd unit of TJ and Ulis would be super fun to watch especially when you mix in some starters.

And of course to keep everyone from getting tired, you can mix in Barbosa and Len as well for a solid 9 man rotation.

Bender (when he comes back) can bump the rotation to 10

PJ gets traded to a team at the deadline for a 1st round pick (and then resigns with us in the offseason as a free agent :lol: )


That might help with TJ's slashing too, giving him more room to operate, if he played with Barbosa at 2 and Dudley at 4 who both spread the floor with 40% + 3 pt shooters. Let Ulis run it. Trade PJ. Barbosa and Dudley are our true legit 3 pt shooters. All those other guys shoot in the low to mid 30% who would be starting. But I guess it's a slight upgrade from Warren being in there for now.
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Post#12 » by Christine-In-AZ » Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:38 am

I've been of the mindset for quite awhile that it's good strategy to keep Knight (for now) rather than just give up on him and send him out for little return. There's still hope for Brandon. Thought I might be just playing the role of contrarian with this keep Knight mindset. This write-up tamped down some creeping doubt. Nice job.
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Post#13 » by Bogyo » Sun Feb 12, 2017 5:09 pm

Any way to rehab what he did against Houston? :D
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Post#14 » by Zelaznyrules » Sun Feb 12, 2017 5:56 pm

Every time I think there's a chance of rehabbing Knight, he pulls a Houston on us. I'm to the point where I really don't care what we do with him as long as he's elsewhere when we decide to actually try to win games. I also suspect the only place he could rebound is in Houston playing under Mike. Oh sure, I think Pop could eventually turn him around if Pop were 20 years younger. Now, I figure he'd just kill him a few times and then bury his body in the desert somewhere. We could try that too but I'm pretty sure it's still illegal in Arizona. But that's the great thing about Texas, they understand how these things can happen every now and then.
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Post#15 » by bwgood77 » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:40 pm

Zelaznyrules wrote:Every time I think there's a chance of rehabbing Knight, he pulls a Houston on us. I'm to the point where I really don't care what we do with him as long as he's elsewhere when we decide to actually try to win games. I also suspect the only place he could rebound is in Houston playing under Mike. Oh sure, I think Pop could eventually turn him around if Pop were 20 years younger. Now, I figure he'd just kill him a few times and then bury his body in the desert somewhere. We could try that too but I'm pretty sure it's still illegal in Arizona. But that's the great thing about Texas, they understand how these things can happen every now and then.


D'Antoni would hate Knight. He's like a very poor man's Marbury, who he wouldn't even play once he got to NY.
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Post#16 » by Zelaznyrules » Sun Feb 12, 2017 9:19 pm

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Zelaznyrules wrote:Every time I think there's a chance of rehabbing Knight, he pulls a Houston on us. I'm to the point where I really don't care what we do with him as long as he's elsewhere when we decide to actually try to win games. I also suspect the only place he could rebound is in Houston playing under Mike. Oh sure, I think Pop could eventually turn him around if Pop were 20 years younger. Now, I figure he'd just kill him a few times and then bury his body in the desert somewhere. We could try that too but I'm pretty sure it's still illegal in Arizona. But that's the great thing about Texas, they understand how these things can happen every now and then.


D'Antoni would hate Knight. He's like a very poor man's Marbury, who he wouldn't even play once he got to NY.


I don't see all that many similarities between Marbury and Knight, or at least their situations. Marbury was a much more effective player and while he wasn't the smartest guard in the league, he understood the game much better than Brandon probably ever will. But by the time Mike got to New York, Marbury was a fractured soul.

He'd lost his "best friend' (father) and he'd had a well publicized feud with every coach he played for there not to mention the media circus surrounding his relationship with Thomas. Barkley and Webber were routinely mocking D'antoni and his system at that time and Marbury took those criticisms as gospel and absolutely refused to play the way Mike wanted him to. Which left Mike little choice but to bench him and forget him.

Maybe it would go the same way between Brandon and D'antoni, but Knight, after how he's been treated by Shaq and others, must by now realize how foolish it is to listen to those talking head clowns even if they are former players. Those guys are out there trying to fill up their almost empty ego buckets and that's far more important to them than providing unbiased analysis of the game of basketball.
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Post#17 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Sun Feb 12, 2017 9:41 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Zelaznyrules wrote:Every time I think there's a chance of rehabbing Knight, he pulls a Houston on us. I'm to the point where I really don't care what we do with him as long as he's elsewhere when we decide to actually try to win games. I also suspect the only place he could rebound is in Houston playing under Mike. Oh sure, I think Pop could eventually turn him around if Pop were 20 years younger. Now, I figure he'd just kill him a few times and then bury his body in the desert somewhere. We could try that too but I'm pretty sure it's still illegal in Arizona. But that's the great thing about Texas, they understand how these things can happen every now and then.


D'Antoni would hate Knight. He's like a very poor man's Marbury, who he wouldn't even play once he got to NY.


The lack of three point attempts for Knight makes me think that Watson and his staff may be largely responsible for Knight's struggles this year. It's been no secret that our offense generates way too many mid-range shots - and with the lack of three point shooting, a lack of spacing, and so a lack of assists... the problems multiply.

Which is why I'm hesitant to sell low on several of our young players. I'm not sure we've seen what TJ, Knight or Alex are capable of. It seems Watson's been running an old school 2004-05 Memphis-style system when (a) his players just don't fit that style and (b) that team got whooped by the run 'n gun Suns, playing the style almost everyone plays these days.
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Post#18 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Feb 13, 2017 1:30 am

cosmofizzo wrote:The lack of three point attempts for Knight makes me think that Watson and his staff may be largely responsible for Knight's struggles this year. It's been no secret that our offense generates way too many mid-range shots - and with the lack of three point shooting, a lack of spacing, and so a lack of assists... the problems multiply.

Which is why I'm hesitant to sell low on several of our young players. I'm not sure we've seen what TJ, Knight or Alex are capable of. It seems Watson's been running an old school 2004-05 Memphis-style system when (a) his players just don't fit that style and (b) that team got whooped by the run 'n gun Suns, playing the style almost everyone plays these days.

I feel like I've seen enough of Knight. He's not as bad a player as he's been this season but I don't really see a future with us where he could turn back into the 20/5 player he was. Perhaps he could shoot more 3's and raise his efficiency but he just doesn't have the opportunity, unless Booker or Bledsoe goes down, to turn back into that player.

In my view, the only team that's going to trade for him are those who think they can play him differently and bring him close to 20/5 player he was. So in that respect, I don't really care nor will I regret moving him if he started playing very well again with the new team because unless we overhauled our roster while RETAINING Knight, there is just no opportunity for him. Either that or Watson somehow grows some coaching chops and starts running an actual offense which maximises the talents of the roster.
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Re: Featured Post: The impossible task? Rehabbing Brandon Knight’s value. 

Post#19 » by bwgood77 » Mon Feb 13, 2017 2:16 am

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Zelaznyrules wrote:Every time I think there's a chance of rehabbing Knight, he pulls a Houston on us. I'm to the point where I really don't care what we do with him as long as he's elsewhere when we decide to actually try to win games. I also suspect the only place he could rebound is in Houston playing under Mike. Oh sure, I think Pop could eventually turn him around if Pop were 20 years younger. Now, I figure he'd just kill him a few times and then bury his body in the desert somewhere. We could try that too but I'm pretty sure it's still illegal in Arizona. But that's the great thing about Texas, they understand how these things can happen every now and then.


D'Antoni would hate Knight. He's like a very poor man's Marbury, who he wouldn't even play once he got to NY.


I don't see all that many similarities between Marbury and Knight, or at least their situations. Marbury was a much more effective player and while he wasn't the smartest guard in the league, he understood the game much better than Brandon probably ever will. But by the time Mike got to New York, Marbury was a fractured soul.

He'd lost his "best friend' (father) and he'd had a well publicized feud with every coach he played for there not to mention the media circus surrounding his relationship with Thomas. Barkley and Webber were routinely mocking D'antoni and his system at that time and Marbury took those criticisms as gospel and absolutely refused to play the way Mike wanted him to. Which left Mike little choice but to bench him and forget him.

Maybe it would go the same way between Brandon and D'antoni, but Knight, after how he's been treated by Shaq and others, must by now realize how foolish it is to listen to those talking head clowns even if they are former players. Those guys are out there trying to fill up their almost empty ego buckets and that's far more important to them than providing unbiased analysis of the game of basketball.


Marbury could still play very well at that time. Knight doesn't move the ball well enough and dribbles too much for D'Antoni. He would hate him as a PG and as much as I hoped he would accept the role of spot up shooter, it's not in his nature. D'Antoni would hate him.
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Re: Featured Post: The impossible task? Rehabbing Brandon Knight’s value. 

Post#20 » by nevetsov » Mon Feb 13, 2017 2:51 am

BK ideally needs to play next to an oversized PG like MCW/ Shaun Livingston. That's why I think he'd be best in a place like Chicago.

I'd easily do Knight for Rondo's expiring + pick, or some form of pick swap. Maybe we get a late teens pick for PJ and TC, then swap it with CHI for the SAC pick (late lotto)?

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