Captain_Caveman wrote:jfs1000d wrote:Parliament10 wrote:Are there really?
Most IT skeptics have a long history of hating the original trade because we started to win. They were wrong, been proven wrong, and they just don't want to admit it. Everything is off that initial deal where we were supposed to be a treadmill team because we went 40-42.
Then, they thought he was better off the bench despite him making an all-star appearance.
Those wanting him to be a sixth man look dumb.
He also goes against everything tankers thought. If the 60th player in the draft is a star, it destroys the thought you have to have a top 2 pick or don't bother.
The truth is, Isaiah Thomas is likely the best second round pick in NBA history and if he dies this for 3-4 more years, one of the most unique players in NBA history.
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Meh. The Nets trade is nearly 100% of the reason we have a shot to be a contender one day.
Without the Nets completely bottoming out, this rebuild is complete fool's gold. And I mean all of it. Stevens, IT, the rest of the starting lineup... none of it would matter at all. Let's be perfectly clear that, realistically speaking, IT would not be a top 3 player on the Warriors, and would certainly not start for them.
Channel your inner Patriots fans and think of how silly it is for fans of teams like the Raiders to brag about 5th place, and having an MVP "candidate" in Derek Carr.
You may think you are giving a gotcha here, but I read this stuff from the IT fanboys and just shake my head. You don't get it. Any of it. You see 5th place as an accomplishment, and I see it as failure.
This is so wrong on so many levels it is laughable.
It takes a big man to admit they're wrong, well I guess we have the answer to that question right there. You'll bring out the David Lee, Jerry West pu pu platter because that's what you do, but it is all bs.
This team as currently constructed with only limited contributions from James Young and Jaylen Brown, the boon from the Nets trade thus far, are in second place in the East with a real opportunity to take the top seed in the Eastern Conference. The current run they've been on has been accomplished without one of their key contributors and this team has weathered every injury sent their way to continue to play at a high level.
You've been wrong about the soft tank and you've doubled and tripled down on it on subsequent seasons. IT is now tied with Celtics' legend John Havlichek for the most 20+ games in the history of the franchise. He's having an epic season, an MVP season and for some reason you want to throw salt at the "fan boys." Please, maybe you should recognize the fact that Ainge pulled off another heist of a deal when he grabbed this guy at the deadline. Instead you'll whine and throw shade that anybody could have had IT at any time. Guess what that's why the majority of the GM's in the league aren't very good. Possibly you could acknowledge that IT the player has developed and evolved his game to be in the conversation as one of the best players in the league. You won't because it's all sour grapes. Your forecast was wrong from the start. Get over it. There are no points for being right on a message board.
It won't matter because you'll trot out the KG trade, and whatever other crap you hang your hat on, like anyone freaking cares. You're trying to tell the board that Brad Stevens doesn't matter - he does. You're trying to tell the rest of the board that the development of Smart, Crowder, Kelly, Avery doesn't matter - it does. You've been trying to say that developing the winning mindset doesn't matter, well as they've battled through the adversity this year it is clear - it does.
Channeling my inner Patriots fan I can recognize what Brady and Belichek built is special and unique. I also know the NBA is a far different animal than the NFL and there really isn't a comparison to be drawn. So your quip about Derek Carr is just more shade seemingly drawn from a never ending reserve. If the Celtics capture the first seed in the Eastern Conference, IT has every right to the MVP trophy and he's certainly and rightfully in the discussion throughout the entire league nationally and otherwise.
So here bring your fire and your venom, I'm ready for your brimstone, but it's time you just admit you were wrong and have been wrong for three seasons. Just get over yourself. If you think this team is a failure you have a fundamental misunderstanding about the nature of sports and the NBA and you lose all credibility. It takes a big man to admit they were wrong, be a bigger man.
