2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread

[Slizeezyc]

A few questions between Booker vs Monk
1. Who was the better player as a freshman
2. Who was the better shooter as a freshman
3. Who projects to be the better player in the NBA
4. Who projects to be the better shooter in the NBA
5. Who projects to be the better defender in the NBA

1. Monk (but was also asked to do more and played way more minutes)
2. Monk (Monk has some of the most insane numbers you'll ever see shooting 42 percent on 8 attempts per game)
3. Booker was easier to project tools and size-wise, Monk has easier numbers to project.
4. Monk
5. They're both awful and will be awful. Booker is taller but has a garbage wingspan and zero interest in defense. Monk is still not as long as Booker, but being 6-3 he has solid length to guard PGs. That being said, maybe Monk by default?

[Arsenal]

Kobble and Lloyd or anyone if Giles came out and was sitting there in the second round would you take him?

Starting in the late teens it's worth a shot on Giles. No way he lasts until the 2nd round. There's a decent chance that he is still feeling the effects of the latest injury and will be MUCH better in another year. At that point in the draft no one else even comes close to his upside.

[Arsenal]

A few questions between Booker vs Monk
1. Who was the better player as a freshman
2. Who was the better shooter as a freshman
3. Who projects to be the better player in the NBA
4. Who projects to be the better shooter in the NBA
5. Who projects to be the better defender in the NBA

1) Monk
2) Monk
3) Not sure
4) Monk
5) Not sure

Booker has been much better than anyone expected in the NBA, so it's really unclear who will be better. With that said, Monk is very clearly the better player as an 18 year old freshman at Kentucky.

Booker has prototypical SG size, so even though he's a terrible defender now, he probably has a defensive advantage at that spot. However if Monk defends PG's (like he could with us), I think he projects as C.J. McCollum or better and can be a better overall player.

[HankTheTank]

I can't take Monk seriously until he's measured at the combine. Imo his height seems inflated. He reminds me of Kevin Johnson in size and stature, which is fine if you're a highly skilled PG, but he's not. Definitely has value with that shooting stroke though.

[Kobblehead]

Kobble and Lloyd or anyone if Giles came out and was sitting there in the second round would you take him?

I acknowledge that it would be a smart value pick to select him. However, I think I'd pass. I don't see the agile freak with elite handle that went coast to coast and dunked at will. The guy I see right now is basically a laterally stiff rebounding specialist.

[LloydFree]

Miller will probably just sick Kadeem Allen on him again. He's one of the very few PG stoppers in the Pac12. Fultz shot 34% and had 3 turnovers last time he played Arizona. He better have a statement game against a tough defense/defender or else even his biggest fans are going to start questioning him a bit.

Kadeem Allen isn't playing tonight. Fultz isn't doing much yet though.

[Kobblehead]

I can't take Monk seriously until he's measured at the combine. Imo his height seems inflated. He reminds me of Kevin Johnson in size and stature, which is fine if you're a highly skilled PG, but he's not. Definitely has value with that shooting stroke though.

I think his height is legit. Looks to be about the same size as 6'3" De'Aaron Fox.

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[LloydFree]

Trier and Fultz guarding each other at the beginning of the 2nd half.

[JojoSlimbiid]

Been watching this game and damn Fultz is such a smooth scorer. Please lotto gods

[LloydFree]

Anyone watch Dennis Smith today? I read it was another underwhelming performance. I can easily see him falling to #6 or #7 in the draft.

I could see him falling to #6 or #7 pretty easily, depending on who is picking at #4 and #5. He's talented enough to go #3, but his effort on defense and his carelessness on offense (not to mention his size) hurts him a lot.

[PLO]

The What's on Draft guys were talking about Villanova's Mikal Bridges in their last pod; potential two-way wing on one of the best teams in the country who is getting next to no buzz. Then I see the deepishthoughts website had a positive analysis on him way back in December. Shooting 40% from 3, 90% from FT , though its true that's off low usage and the fact he's the 4th option on his team in terms of scoring. He really ticks a lot of the boxes in terms of transference of potential from college to the NBA, wonder why he isn't getting as much coverage as other prospects? Is he one of those guys who could be 2nd round/UDFA and be a steal out of this crop of players?

[AdotSmoove]

Please someone convince me in a worse case scenario where we are picking around 9-12 that there are guys who will have a career as good as the top 8. I'm talking some non freshmen players and guys like smiles Bridges. I don't want to sit at 9-12 in a worse case scenario and think we messed up but winning too much and missed the boat. Who are some players who you think might be better than Tatum and Fox and Isaac should we win too much?

These guys being mocked in the top 8 are flawed prospects and far from sure things. There will be guys late lotto, mid-20s and even 2nd round that end up better than a handful of the top 8 guys. That's the way every draft goes.

The good thing about our situation is that whoever we land, that player will be coming into an infrastructure playing with Ben Simmons and Joel Embiid. That's a nice landing spot and lends well for the chances of hitting on the pick.

You know my love for Bruce Brown and Sindarius Thornwell, but I'm really starting to think the biggest sleeper is Charles Cooke from Dayton. I talked about him earlier in this thread, but I don't really see a difference between how he projects on offense compared to someone like Monk. He has advanced offensive skillset, plays defense, is 6'5 while shooting great across the board.

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I still think this guy is going to be good for the Wiz, but he's this year's Sheldon McClellan for me.

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[Unbreakable99]

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[eagereyez]

The What's on Draft guys were talking about Villanova's Mikal Bridges in their last pod; potential two-way wing on one of the best teams in the country who is getting next to no buzz. Then I see the deepishthoughts website had a positive analysis on him way back in December. Shooting 40% from 3, 90% from FT , though its true that's off low usage and the fact he's the 4th option on his team in terms of scoring. He really ticks a lot of the boxes in terms of transference of potential from college to the NBA, wonder why he isn't getting as much coverage as other prospects? Is he one of those guys who could be 2nd round/UDFA and be a steal out of this crop of players?

The lack of buzz is because most people assume he's going to stay at Villanova for another year. That and he's not the "star" of his team so to speak. If he does declare I think he'll go in the lotto, just not sure how high.

[PhilasFinest]

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Dude is annoying. I understand he's hyping up his son, but man does he sound stupid sometimes.

Stephen Curry on UCLA right now.....they'd win the national championship.

[LloydFree]

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Dude is annoying. I understand he's hyping up his son, but man does he sound stupid sometimes.

Stephen Curry on UCLA right now.....they'd win the national championship.

Ehhh. People said the same things about Richard Williams when he said the same kind of things about Venus and Serena. People said he was a crazed lunatic for saying 14 year old Serena would be the greatest female tennis player. Then guess what...

Those are his children. Let 'em brag on them.

[shawn_hemp]

Ok guys I'm talking about a deep, DEEP sleeper right now, but does anyone remember Dominic Artis from Oregon a couple seasons ago?

He's a bit small for today's PGs (just under 6'2), and not overly athletic, but my god does he have a good handle on the basketball.

He got kicked off the Oregon basketball team after being accused of participating in a rape of a girl, even though the accusation was never taken to court.

Oregon just distanced themselves from Artis under the sheer possibility that it could have happened.

So he goes to Junior College for a year, and then winds up at UTEP.

He is averaging

15.2 PPG, 6.4 RPG, 6.0 APG, 2.1 SPG

this year, on a pretty mediocre team (in a mediocre conference albeit)

I always liked how he controlled the game on the offensive end though. He always seemed like he was dictating how the game was playing out. And he can be a nuisance on defense too. Really gets his hands into passing lanes and has the footwork to stay with guys.

Maybe not the foot SPEED to recover on guys who drive past him, but I'm not saying this guy will be a star in the NBA.

One negative is he only is shooting .282 from 3 this year and .631 on FT. His career averages are a little better though (.317, .654)

He also has a tendency to take deep NBA 3s in college, even at Oregon he did this.

Idk, something about him when you watch him play you just feel like he is capable of doing more.

And idk what is going on in the dude's personal life but he seems like one of those guys who could really become a decent player if he put in the work and stopped relying on being that much better than everyone else in Conference USA.

Then again, I thought the Sixers should have taken Joe Young in the 2nd round of the 2015 draft so I might just be using my random Oregon basketball fandom to influence my analysis.

Still, I think Artis should at least get a shot on a summer league roster, and why not the Sixers?

[Kobblehead]

I actually like the other guy accused of rape and kicked off Oregon, Damyean Dotson.

6'5", 210 pound SG that is hittin 3.4 threes per game at a 47.7% clip.

[SparksFly87]

Jayson Tatum really underated as a prospect. Looks a legit 6'9 with a quick first step. Nice jumpshot from spot up and pull up game. I see a complete offense package! This guy looks like a poor mans Paul George . I really like him as a complement to Jojo and Simmons . He will knock down shoots and has excellent iso scoring ability. I rank him above Monk. Only Fultz, Ball ,Jackson and DJR rank ahead of him for me.

[shawn_hemp]

I actually like the other guy accused of rape and kicked off Oregon, Damyean Dotson.

6'5", 210 pound SG that is hittin 3.4 threes per game at a 47.7% clip.

Yeah I like Dotson too.

Can you imagine an Oregon team with

PG - Dominic Artis
SG - Damyean Dotson
SF - Dillon Brooks
PF - Jordan Bell
C - Chris Boucher

who knows the real story of what happened though. Hard to tell in these he-said / she-said type of allegations