Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII

[Illmatic12]

I'll happily give up the 2018 first (lotto protected) + Nicholson for win now rentals. 2017 first is off the table unless a actual difference maker is coming back.

Are we sure that the 2018 draft pick won't be more useful to us ? None of the 2017 prospects projected in our range have impressed me, particularly the front court players . It seems like the 2018 draft is where we'd have a better shot of drafting future replacements for Gortat or Morris.

[Dat2U]

I would do that deal in a heart beat and do what you can to get Chicago to take a mahinmi for rondo deal maybe get portis back? idk but A rondo and barton back court would be killer ! They would be a perfect bench Pass and D PG, scoring SG combo.

Bruh, no no no no. The backcourt would be Satoransky and Barton, and then we would look to sign a buyout point guard for depth. No Rondo lol
No Mahinmi trade

Sorry man but if you can get Rondo for mahinmi you do it, You jump on it if portis is involved, Rondo is not fully garunteed next year so if you want you can cut him and get instant cap space that Mahinmi was taking up. Rondo is more than adequate enough to back up wall and on a team that is aiming at contending he might be happy with that. Sato is coming along and you can let him ride the pine for a bit and learn and he should be ready next year if you cut rondo. Smith has proven that he can be more that capable of backing up gortat, and you can get what mahinmi give you form a larry saunder/china-Dleague/buy out guy for about 14 less million and no long term commitment. Plus you loose that contract. This automaticly makes it the smarter play if you can do it.

Why would Chicago take on a 30 yr old Mahinmi making $16 mil a yr for Rondo + assets? When...

a. They are potentially ready to trade Jimmy Butler and begin rebuilding.
b. If they want to get rid of Rondo bad enough they can simply by him out.

It's great to have these pie in the sky type of ideas but to continually push them as some sort of realistic scenario just seems silly.

[payitforward]

Uh oh...

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/244967/Wizards-Could-Deal-First-Rounder-For-Veteran-Depth-Piece

"The Washington Wizards have "shown an inclination" to trade a first round pick to acquire a veteran player that could even be a rental for their playoff push. The Wizards could even trade a pick in this year's deep draft."

From the Vertical -- https://sports.yahoo.com/video/woj-report-nba-trade-deadline-025519235.html. I haven't listened yet; might just be saying that since we did it last year we might do it again this year? But... for a playoff rental...? Yikes!

[Dat2U]

WOJ BOMB - DeMarcus Cousins is available!

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Considering the weak offer Orlando turned down (Vucevic and Fournier) and the fact New Orleans has little to offer outside of AD should the Wizards get into the mix? It sounds like the price on acquiring Cousins isn't nearly as high as Kings fans would want to believe.

[gambitx777]

Bruh, no no no no. The backcourt would be Satoransky and Barton, and then we would look to sign a buyout point guard for depth. No Rondo lol
No Mahinmi trade

Sorry man but if you can get Rondo for mahinmi you do it, You jump on it if portis is involved, Rondo is not fully garunteed next year so if you want you can cut him and get instant cap space that Mahinmi was taking up. Rondo is more than adequate enough to back up wall and on a team that is aiming at contending he might be happy with that. Sato is coming along and you can let him ride the pine for a bit and learn and he should be ready next year if you cut rondo. Smith has proven that he can be more that capable of backing up gortat, and you can get what mahinmi give you form a larry saunder/china-Dleague/buy out guy for about 14 less million and no long term commitment. Plus you loose that contract. This automaticly makes it the smarter play if you can do it.

Why would Chicago take on a 30 yr old Mahinmi making $16 mil a yr for Rondo + assets? When...

a. They are potentially ready to trade Jimmy Butler and begin rebuilding.
b. If they want to get rid of Rondo bad enough they can simply by him out.

It's great to have these pie in the sky type of ideas but to continually push them as some sort of realistic scenario just seems silly.

Well Like I said about 4 times, you add a first and a second to the deal, 2018 first and second most likely, or 2018 first or 2017 second. #2 Yeah they can buy him out next year, but they have been reported to be trying very hard to get any asset they can for rondo and no one is offering one, they have been frustrated with Portis, look at his playing time. They might be interested in a vet player in order to get a mullegan on portis in the form of a first and a second for rondo in a good draft in exchange for taking the contract that they can make some use of. They don't have another true center on the team other than lopez and a vet center on the bench would be good for them. Whats one thing you want at the start of a rebuild, a moderatly solid vvet for the young guys to be around and a decently large filler contract that keeps you about the floor and can be used a year or two down the road to move in a larger deal. We did the same thing when we traded for NENE, yes you can argue that nene is a better play than mahinmi but that is neither here nor there.
Its essentially Portis for a first and Rondo for a 2017 or 2018 second and Mahinmi.
Obviously the deal can be done with out portis and a first. But hell I would still do the trade straight up Rondo for mahinmi, and a 2017 second hell give them 2 seconds if they want it. It still makes sense for both teams. Pie in the sky lol, happens all the time man. But, its dependent on how they strike out on other center trades they are looking at too. I think any buttler trade will be pick heavy and mostly contract filler and not player asset heavy. Probably Amir Johnson and Jaylyn brown and a nice pick package, Jordan micky maybe?

[gambitx777]

Uh oh...

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/244967/Wizards-Could-Deal-First-Rounder-For-Veteran-Depth-Piece

"The Washington Wizards have "shown an inclination" to trade a first round pick to acquire a veteran player that could even be a rental for their playoff push. The Wizards could even trade a pick in this year's deep draft."

From the Vertical -- https://sports.yahoo.com/video/woj-report-nba-trade-deadline-025519235.html. I haven't listened yet; might just be saying that since we did it last year we might do it again this year? But... for a playoff rental...? Yikes!

Just stay positive pif it says a first not necessarily 2017!

[Meliorus]

Before any Cousins are created, read this. http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/presents2/is-demarcus-cousins-sacramento-kings-real-problem

[NatP4]

Between Otto or Kelly and two 1sts, can we make a legit run at DMC?

[JWizmentality]

WOJ BOMB - DeMarcus Cousins is available!

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Considering the weak offer Orlando turned down (Vucevic and Fournier) and the fact New Orleans has little to offer outside of AD should the Wizards get into the mix? It sounds like the price on acquiring Cousins isn't nearly as high as Kings fans would want to believe.

Maybe in November, now...eh. I wouldn't trade any of Porter, Beal, or Wall.

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[gambitx777]

Between Otto or Kelly and two 1sts, can we make a legit run at DMC?

That would be terrible, Trading otto gortat beal morris or wall does not make us better in any way. We have a bench problem not a starter problem.

[JWizmentality]

Yup, now is not the time to bring in that headcase. Especially since he's on the tech suspension thing. How many games would he screw us for down the stretch? No thank you. Ernie better not pull that mess.

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[deneem4]

I would hate it but I'll trade porter gortat and 2 1sts for cousins and fillers or expiring...

Wall/beal/cousins would give us the 3rd best 3 piece in the league...2nd if we talking offensively and defensively...
Wall should be able to get cousins under control...
I love the team right now but cousins gives us an advantage over Cleveland as well as golden state

[gambitx777]

I would hate it but I'll trade porter gortat and 2 1sts for cousins and fillers or expiring...

Wall/beal/cousins would give us the 3rd best 3 piece in the league...2nd if we talking offensively and defensively...
Wall should be able to get cousins under control...
I love the team right now but cousins gives us an advantage over Cleveland as well as golden state

He really doesn't Because we are loosing one of the best young wings in the league and one of the better starting centers in the east, a if you want to talk over all its a marginal upgrade at best for center and really almost makes us worse as a whole. Terrible terrible idea, unless you can get it done with two firsts and Mahinmi and and sato/McCellan/house /Nicholson/smith you do not do this trade. AT ALL! The only way he makes you better by a lot is if you keep gortat and move him to the bench and you have Boogie and porter together. Honestly I don't know how well he will get along with beal either. IDK But I aint moving porter or gortat for him! NO WAY! Any deal we can should offer they probably won't take.

[deneem4]

I would hate it but I'll trade porter gortat and 2 1sts for cousins and fillers or expiring...

Wall/beal/cousins would give us the 3rd best 3 piece in the league...2nd if we talking offensively and defensively...
Wall should be able to get cousins under control...
I love the team right now but cousins gives us an advantage over Cleveland as well as golden state

He really doesn't Because we are loosing one of the best young wings in the league and one of the better starting centers in the east, a if you want to talk over all its a marginal upgrade at best for center and really almost makes us worse as a whole. Terrible terrible idea, unless you can get it done with two firsts and Mahinmi and and sato/McCellan/house /Nicholson/smith you do not do this trade. AT ALL! The only way he makes you better by a lot is if you keep gortat and move him to the bench and you have Boogie and porter together. Honestly I don't know how well he will get along with beal either. IDK But I aint moving porter or gortat for him! NO WAY! Any deal we can should offer they probably won't take.

Well we agree to disagree but
Wall
Beal
Oubre
Morris
Cousins

Is the 2nd best starting 5 in the league

[Dat2U]

I'd happily give up Gortat, Oubre & (2) 1st round picks for Cousins and drive 'em to the airport. This isn't about keeping chemistry to make an Eastern Conference Finals run. I want to make a legitimate run at winning a Championship. Wall, Beal, Porter & Cousins gives you that opportunity.

[NatP4]

I'd happily give up Gortat, Oubre & (2) 1st round picks for Cousins and drive 'em to the airport. This isn't about keeping chemistry to make an Eastern Conference Finals run. I want to make a legitimate run at winning a Championship. Wall, Beal, Porter & Cousins gives you that opportunity.

Preach Dat. It's a no brainer.

[NatP4]

Do people not watch DMC much? This dude is the best Center in the NBA

[Induveca]

I'd happily give up Gortat, Oubre & (2) 1st round picks for Cousins and drive 'em to the airport. This isn't about keeping chemistry to make an Eastern Conference Finals run. I want to make a legitimate run at winning a Championship. Wall, Beal, Porter & Cousins gives you that opportunity.

[nate33]

I'd happily give up Gortat, Oubre & (2) 1st round picks for Cousins and drive 'em to the airport. This isn't about keeping chemistry to make an Eastern Conference Finals run. I want to make a legitimate run at winning a Championship. Wall, Beal, Porter & Cousins gives you that opportunity.

Yeah, I'd do that too. It might make us a bit worse this season, just because of the chemistry disruption and the loss of depth. But the real key is that exchanging Gortat for Cousins gives us a good 6-7 year window of opportunity. That's a real talented starting 5, with everyone aged 27 or younger.

We would probably have to follow up by trying to give away Mahinmi in the summer so we can devote his salary to rounding out our depth.

[Meliorus]

If you think Cousins is a winner then you may be mistaken. I've read that many front offices won't even touch him.

"Every day at work in Sacramento -- every practice, every play, every film session, every huddle -- has the potential to be a collective exercise in managing Cousins' emotional fiber, and the NBA season is simply too taxing for a team to take that on."

I think this is a problem.