Paul George to Orlando in 2018?

[drsd]

But I can assure you one or two of those players would need to be gone if we are going to acquire George plus our pick this year and that is as the minimum.

The original question was about picking up George on the FA market.


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[BCS]

But I can assure you one or two of those players would need to be gone if we are going to acquire George plus our pick this year and that is as the minimum.

The original question was about picking up George on the FA market.


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I know and of course we should, but some started talking about trading for him, which doesn't make much sense for me unless there is confirmation that 1 or 2 other star players are signing with us if we get George and that's a dream scenario.

[cedric76]

His value now is sky high, wait this summer after he refuse to extend and his value will be at its low (remember D12? )



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[MagicFan32]

Why do people have this obsession with a player that will not come here? You think just Vogel is going to get him? Magic are not an attractive destination for premier UFA's right now, stop kidding yourselves it has no chance of happening

[Skin]

Let me guess... Henny's master plan is to lure PG based on warm weather, no state taxes and Disney World...

I think Henny's master plan was to make himself a laughing stock around the league. Screwed up the draft. Screwed up trades. Screwed up FA. 5 years of rebuilding and our biggest hope is now Terrence Ross.

Ever since the Ibaka trade you've said this in almost every post. The horse is dead bro.

I will try to be more positive, but that move put it over the top for me. Instead of a clear positive direction forward, we're reeling and spiraling backwards just trying to salvage something so that we don't have to start over from scratch.

[j-ragg]

Let me guess... Henny's master plan is to lure PG based on warm weather, no state taxes and Disney World...

I think Henny's master plan was to make himself a laughing stock around the league. Screwed up the draft. Screwed up trades. Screwed up FA. 5 years of rebuilding and our biggest hope is now Terrence Ross.

Ever since the Ibaka trade you've said this in almost every post. The horse is dead bro.

I will try to be more positive, but that move put it over the top for me. Instead of a clear positive direction forward, we're reeling and spiraling backwards just trying to salvage something so that we don't have to start over from scratch.

I hear ya. Rough times.

[Skin]

It would be silly to "plan" around this idea but it is certainly something you explore the hell out of. If it can be done, you pull the trigger...as long as our 2017 is heavily protected. George isn't going to turn us in to a contender but he turns us in to a team with a real direction and would allow us to actually build a coherent team.

I know it can be tempting... but I disagree. Giving up a ton of assets for him would be another mistake.

Our direction is building through the draft. We have a better chance right now of drafting Josh Jackson or Jonathan Isaac. That would get us back on track with a real direction.

I disagree in the sense that Paul George is a proven commodity. Anyone we draft is just more potential and optimism...not something tangible.

What assets would be too much? There isn't a single player that I am attached to when talking about a deal for Paul George. Our most valuable asset is our pick this year...and I agree that you don't trade it if it is unprotected. Give me Top 7 protected this year, 5 next, 3 the following, and then unprotected. Send out the Lakers pick before it loses the allure of being a "1st round pick". Send out our 2019 pick with some Top 3 protection.

You break the bank for someone like George.

I think the bigger problem is that they are not going to trade him for those very reasons. You don't just give up on a guy like that until you absolutely have to. They are going to trade picks and try to get him some help, rather than trying to rebuild.

It's going to take A TON of assets because we'd have to overbid a team like Boston who can give Jaylen Brown, BRK picks, etc.

THEN.... we'd have 1 season to build a team around him that is a winner in order to get him to stay. ...and when that doesn't happen...

THEN... we'd be just like we were with Ibaka... Nobody wanting to pay a high price for a rental and end up selling him for pennies on the dollar and trying to salvage something, and coming away hoping we recovered.

A big part of our rebuild mess up is because we tried to shortcut it and trade for Ibaka. We can't do that dance again.

[LBPTarHeel27]

I know it can be tempting... but I disagree. Giving up a ton of assets for him would be another mistake.

Our direction is building through the draft. We have a better chance right now of drafting Josh Jackson or Jonathan Isaac. That would get us back on track with a real direction.

I disagree in the sense that Paul George is a proven commodity. Anyone we draft is just more potential and optimism...not something tangible.

What assets would be too much? There isn't a single player that I am attached to when talking about a deal for Paul George. Our most valuable asset is our pick this year...and I agree that you don't trade it if it is unprotected. Give me Top 7 protected this year, 5 next, 3 the following, and then unprotected. Send out the Lakers pick before it loses the allure of being a "1st round pick". Send out our 2019 pick with some Top 3 protection.

You break the bank for someone like George.

I think the bigger problem is that they are not going to trade him for those very reasons. You don't just give up on a guy like that until you absolutely have to. They are going to trade picks and try to get him some help, rather than trying to rebuild.

It's going to take A TON of assets because we'd have to overbid a team like Boston who can give Jaylen Brown, BRK picks, etc.

THEN.... we'd have 1 season to build a team around him that is a winner in order to get him to stay. ...and when that doesn't happen...

THEN... we'd be just like we were with Ibaka... Nobody wanting to pay a high price for a rental and end up selling him for pennies on the dollar and trying to salvage something, and coming away hoping we recovered.

A big part of our rebuild mess up is because we tried to shortcut it and trade for Ibaka. We can't do that dance again.

I get your thought process and it makes sense to a degree...I just think you are afraid to take a risk and don't seem to think trying to build through the draft is a risk, in itself.

There is no doubt that we would have to break the bank for him but if you can get away with trading for a player of that caliber + keeping a solid protection on the 2017 pick...there is 0 reason to not do it. Nothing on our roster is too valuable to not include in such a deal. The only asset we have worth hanging on to is the pick this summer...so you trade whatever else it takes to make it happen.

I get the Ibaka comparison but they really aren't the same. You are talking a franchise player vs. a role player. You take the risk for a franchise player.

I do have to ask....what part of the rebuild did we miss out on by acquiring Ibaka? We wouldn't be any better off without the Dipo trade.

[OrlandoDream]

Can't help but wonder that this trade opens up the floodgates and makes Paul George trade more viable. However, Bird is a savage so he will want alot for PG13.

[Skin]

I disagree in the sense that Paul George is a proven commodity. Anyone we draft is just more potential and optimism...not something tangible.

What assets would be too much? There isn't a single player that I am attached to when talking about a deal for Paul George. Our most valuable asset is our pick this year...and I agree that you don't trade it if it is unprotected. Give me Top 7 protected this year, 5 next, 3 the following, and then unprotected. Send out the Lakers pick before it loses the allure of being a "1st round pick". Send out our 2019 pick with some Top 3 protection.

You break the bank for someone like George.

I think the bigger problem is that they are not going to trade him for those very reasons. You don't just give up on a guy like that until you absolutely have to. They are going to trade picks and try to get him some help, rather than trying to rebuild.

It's going to take A TON of assets because we'd have to overbid a team like Boston who can give Jaylen Brown, BRK picks, etc.

THEN.... we'd have 1 season to build a team around him that is a winner in order to get him to stay. ...and when that doesn't happen...

THEN... we'd be just like we were with Ibaka... Nobody wanting to pay a high price for a rental and end up selling him for pennies on the dollar and trying to salvage something, and coming away hoping we recovered.

A big part of our rebuild mess up is because we tried to shortcut it and trade for Ibaka. We can't do that dance again.

I get your thought process and it makes sense to a degree...I just think you are afraid to take a risk and don't seem to think trying to build through the draft is a risk, in itself.

There is no doubt that we would have to break the bank for him but if you can get away with trading for a player of that caliber + keeping a solid protection on the 2017 pick...there is 0 reason to not do it. Nothing on our roster is too valuable to not include in such a deal. The only asset we have worth hanging on to is the pick this summer...so you trade whatever else it takes to make it happen.

I get the Ibaka comparison but they really aren't the same. You are talking a franchise player vs. a role player. You take the risk for a franchise player.

I do have to ask....what part of the rebuild did we miss out on by acquiring Ibaka? We wouldn't be any better off without the Dipo trade.

The Ibaka trade signified a dramatic shift from Hennigan's original plan. From day 1 he preached patience and he promised that in time, we would have a product that was organic and sustainable. He changed that direction when he acquired Ibaka. I hated that trade at the time, but I wanted to give it a chance. It was exciting and bold. Our direction was shifting away from continuing to collect assets through the draft. The days of picking in the lottery were supposed to be behind us.

Obviously, the season hasn't gone to plan, but the problem is Henny failed to build upon what he started this summer. If you make a move like that (giving up young assets for an established vet), and things don't go well, then you don't stop there and hit the reverse button. Especially after giving up so much already and committing long contracts to Biyombo and Augustin.

I have to believe there were moves for us to make. We heard about the "King's Ransom" for Jimmy Butler. Seems like it boiled down to Henny not wanting to give up the necessary pieces to get the deal done. Why? It's only my guess, but I think he's got an unhealthy infatuation in our guys like Payton, Fournier, Gordon and Vucevic. Why all of a sudden are they harder to give up than Oladipo was? Quite frankly, I don't want to hear about not wanting to pay a King's Ransom in order to get Butler. I want Chicago to name their price and I want Henny to say "Where do I sign?" as fast as he can.

After that we hunt down a PG. The Suns are looking like a lock for a Top 3 pick where PGs are dominating the top of mock drafts. Bledsoe has got to be available. The Pistons have been selling Reggie Jackson long before the latest Magic rumors. Chasing Jrue Holiday who is a UFA just like Ibaka is a good idea because we'd secure his Bird Rights. A BIG key because we would have cap room to sign a max FA ...AND THEN go over the cap to resign him. Hey, TOR bought Ibaka for a cheap rental price. Couldn't we give up a rental price for Holiday? NOR has been scouring the NBA for a C like Vucevic... like Okafor from Philly.

Show me a roster with one of those PGs, plus Jimmy Butler and all of a sudden, not only is Ibaka's confidence in resigning with the Magic rejuvenated, but you could even bet that he would jump into the heavy summer recruitment of Kevin Durant... crazy, but why not?

Eric Bledsoe/Jrue Holiday/Reggie Jackson
Jimmy Butler
Kevin Durant
Serge Ibaka
Bismack Biyombo

If bringing in Ibaka on a one year contract was Henny's "cap stone" move to thinking he created a contender here then he FAILED before he even started. If he thought Payton and Gordon were going to breakout as stars this season and carry this team, then that was also a failed plan. (Even if I wanted it to be true too).

We could've stayed on the youth movement if Henny was a good drafter, we could be sitting here with:

Elfrid Payton - Victor Oladipo - Taurean Prince - Aaron Gordon - Myles Turner

Maybe that's not a winner today, but that's a direction of something long term, organic and sustainable if they get a chance to grow together. You asked how did the Ibaka trade mess us up? Well, without it we still could've had 4 of the 5 players from the group above. We still could've been on a strong youth movement, which is a real direction as opposed to what we have now. We definitely most likely DON'T sign Biyombo.

What Hennigan did in trading Ibaka was an admission of failure. For our sake, hopefully Ross breaks out a little. But right now our team is in shambles. Our biggest hopes are banking on a top pick in this next draft, but beyond that what is our direction? To be a team carried by Ross, Fournier, Vucevic and Biyombo while we continue to wait for the player development of our draft picks? Goodness, how did we get in this mess???

[nymets1]

Since we just saw the Pelicans didn't give up much talent to land Boogie, We should stay patient with the pacers and try to get Paul George without giving much of our talent. If the Pelicans can do with it with getting Boogie, Maybe we can do the same with George?

[Skybox]

The only way we get PG is if he forces it this way. I'd break the bank for him to a greater extent than Boogie and Butler. He's just more level-headed and versatile. If he wants to be here, he's one of a handful, I'd be all in for. I think Boston may again pass on giving up what they should for him. They'll likely get Fultz on a rookie contract and have a shot that Brown develops into a PG-ish player...all without breaking the bank...personally, I think that's nuts, but Ainge has proven himself to be a reluctant trader.

I'd put the whole team on a bus, tell them we're going to the movies, and deliver them to Indiana for PG.

[Mrrags009]

What about trading for both PG and Reggie Jackson . I heard they were boys that might make it more intriguing to stay and build plus with friends we all know three is the magic number ...... who else might be friendly to that DUO