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The (Quintessential) Trade Thread, 2017 (Part 5.0)

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Re: The (Quintessential) Trade Thread, 2017 (Part 5.0) 

Post#1781 » by sully00 » Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:46 pm

smith2373 wrote:Ideally there's nothing wrong with just keeping the picks. But the thing is, I just simply lack faith in Danny's ability to nail the picks. Just because it's projected to be a strong draft does not mean we're guaranteed to get a great player. History has shown that regardless of how weak or strong the draft is, there's at least one massive bust taken in the top 5.

And I know some of you believe that Brown, Smart & Rozier are all studs with high ceilings that any team would be lucky to have, but everyone doesn't think that highly of them and that's not unreasonable at all.


How many of those GM's have accomplished what Ainge's has accomplished? Look this is not mission complete don't get me wrong but Ainge had a .500 team that bowed out to the Knicks in '13. 3 and half seasons later with only one real losing season he is back to the #2 team in the conference with absolute ridiculous lottery gold still in hand from the decisions he made. He has made a legitimate playoff contender out of castoffs and those 3 guys are significant parts of what this team is doing even if the stats aren't pretty.

Look at what has happened in the East and you can argue that Danny is one of maybe five GM's who shouldn't be fired for the shape their franchises are in.
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Re: The (Quintessential) Trade Thread, 2017 (Part 5.0) 

Post#1782 » by Green89 » Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:47 pm

Chris Paul confirmed he's signing again with LA. I don't know if this helps or hurts Griffin possibilities.
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Post#1783 » by London2Boston » Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:49 pm

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Post#1784 » by The_Ghost_of_JB » Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:50 pm

Green89 wrote:Chris Paul confirmed he's signing again with LA. I don't know if this helps or hurts Griffin possibilities.


Helps I assume. I don't see Griffin leaving the clippers. In fact I don't see many FA jumping ship that is why I believe the celtics need to worry about trading for good players instead of trying to sign some as a FA.
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Post#1785 » by chrisab123 » Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:50 pm

The real reason I don't think there is any way Drummond comes here is because Danny feels Kelly Olynyk is a better big man for this offense. Because KO can shoot the three ball. Danny and Brad do not care if they finish 30th in rebounding year in and year out. They do not value any player unless they can spread the floor. Drummond is a different player than KO. One that probably 29 out of 30 franchises value more than Olynyk but the Celtics are the one team who view Kelly as a better fit for the team than Drummond. I do really think that Olynyk will be allowed to sign elsewhere but if the Celtics strike out on Hayward or Griffin they'll pay him what we perceive as a big deal but it might look market value in 2-3 years.
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Post#1786 » by leper-con » Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:51 pm

Green89 wrote:Chris Paul confirmed he's signing again with LA. I don't know if this helps or hurts Griffin possibilities.




Which LA team?
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Post#1787 » by Fidel Sarcasmo » Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:51 pm

I dont understand the cap enough stir up any real thought here but it seems like a team that wants to compete will have to have 3 max guys, middle cap guys and a slew of young talented players on rookie scale contracts to stay within the cap. We have 1 max guy now, soon to be IT after next year. That makes 2, then we'll get a 3rd guy assuming we pick Butler or George or even Drummond; 1 of those 3 ( just for arguements sake) Then guys think we can score 2 of those 3? and stay within the cap? As well as resign or bring in middle of the road contracts like resigning Smart or KO etc, etc, It doesn't add up at all. It seems like a move for 2 top guys in addition will easily bring us over the cap all day. I'm not the one paying the Celtics bills so I dont care outside of what's possible. If Wyc is willing to go over the cap if he thinks we can compete with the top teams in the league then I'm on board. But if he's put in place a bottom line cap number and doesn't want to go a dollar over the cap, then the talk of 2 of 3 more stars is just a pure pipe dream financially speaking. I just dont see it.
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Post#1788 » by Celts17Pride » Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:52 pm

Green89 wrote:Aside from eyeball tweets, do we have any substantiated rumor or story that the C's and Pistons are actually talking?? :confused:

What's the fun in that?
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Post#1789 » by OFWGKTA » Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:53 pm

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Green89 wrote:Chris Paul confirmed he's signing again with LA. I don't know if this helps or hurts Griffin possibilities.


Helps I assume. I don't see Griffin leaving the clippers. In fact I don't see many FA jumping ship that is why I believe the celtics need to worry about trading for good players instead of trying to signing some as a FA.



From what I've read Paul and Griffin don't like each other at all actually
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Post#1790 » by CelticFaninLBC » Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:56 pm

So there's going to be a board meltdown if Smart is dealt for Drummond?
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Post#1791 » by The_Ghost_of_JB » Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:57 pm

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Green89 wrote:Chris Paul confirmed he's signing again with LA. I don't know if this helps or hurts Griffin possibilities.


Helps I assume. I don't see Griffin leaving the clippers. In fact I don't see many FA jumping ship that is why I believe the celtics need to worry about trading for good players instead of trying to signing some as a FA.



From what I've read Paul and Griffin don't like each other at all actually


Didn't realize that. Still, at this point I think that Griffin stays put. If push comes to shove Clippers would be better off keeping Griffin though.
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Post#1792 » by OFWGKTA » Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:57 pm

CelticFaninLBC wrote:So there's going to be a board meltdown if Smart is dealt for Drummond?


I'm gonna meltdown if Smart is dealt for prime KG
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Post#1793 » by chrisab123 » Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:58 pm

CelticFaninLBC wrote:So there's going to be a board meltdown if Smart is dealt for Drummond?


Smart and expirings for Drummond? Does Marcus prefer Lyft or Uber?
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Post#1794 » by CelticFaninLBC » Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:00 pm

chrisab123 wrote:
CelticFaninLBC wrote:So there's going to be a board meltdown if Smart is dealt for Drummond?


Smart and expirings for Drummond? Does Marcus prefer Lyft or Uber?


I'm guessing at least Smart & Zizic, along with expirings... If Detroit is looking to deal Jackson, then Smart to Detroit makes a lot of sense.
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Post#1795 » by The_Ghost_of_JB » Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:02 pm

CelticFaninLBC wrote:So there's going to be a board meltdown if Smart is dealt for Drummond?


People are too attached to Smart. I admit Smart is playing well but beside Olynyc the Celtics bigs are awful. Drummond isn't a perfect fit but he would easily be the best Celtic rebounders since Dave Cowens.
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Post#1796 » by greenroom31 » Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:04 pm

So there's been 10 pages of speculation about a Drummond trade because... he posted the eyeballs emoji after IT did?

Otherwise I have read/seen/heard nothing to suggest Detroit would do this, or is even considering trading Drummond. The Pistons poster couldn't give a reason why they would do it either other than they'd like our Brooklyn pick. Well no **** they would -- so would everyone else -- that doesn't mean every team is going to trade their franchise player to us.

If the Pistons trade Drummond they would still have a roster loaded with $10+ million long-term contracts for guys like Tobias Harris, Reggie Jackson, Jon Leuer and then $5+ million guys Ish Smith, Boban and Marcus Morris. Those are the guys they need to find takers for, not Drummond. It doesn't make sense, and there's no rumors to suggest it does.

I mean feel free to talk about whatever you want, but just keep in mind that there really is no smoke here... just a trolling tweet.
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Post#1797 » by Green89 » Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:08 pm

greenroom31 wrote:So there's been 10 pages of speculation about a Drummond trade because... he posted the eyeballs emoji after IT did?

Otherwise I have read/seen/heard nothing to suggest Detroit would do this, or is even considering trading Drummond. The Pistons poster couldn't give a reason why they would do it either other than they'd like our Brooklyn pick. Well no **** they would -- so would everyone else -- that doesn't mean every team is going to trade their franchise player to us.

If the Pistons trade Drummond they would still have a roster loaded with $10+ million long-term contracts for guys like Tobias Harris, Reggie Jackson, Jon Leuer and then $5+ million guys Ish Smith, Boban and Marcus Morris. Those are the guys they need to find takers for, not Drummond. It doesn't make sense, and there's no rumors to suggest it does.

I mean feel free to talk about whatever you want, but just keep in mind that there really is no smoke here... just a trolling tweet.


You have to wonder why Drummond would retweet IT's eyeball tweet, though. Doesn't make much sense. Why would Drummond be following or even paying attention to IT? It's happening, I know it. The eyes never lie. :angel:
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Post#1798 » by Celts17Pride » Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:08 pm

greenroom31 wrote:So there's been 10 pages of speculation about a Drummond trade because... he posted the eyeballs emoji after IT did?

Otherwise I have read/seen/heard nothing to suggest Detroit would do this, or is even considering trading Drummond. The Pistons poster couldn't give a reason why they would do it either other than they'd like our Brooklyn pick. Well no **** they would -- so would everyone else -- that doesn't mean every team is going to trade their franchise player to us.

If the Pistons trade Drummond they would still have a roster loaded with $10+ million long-term contracts for guys like Tobias Harris, Reggie Jackson, Jon Leuer and then $5+ million guys Ish Smith, Boban and Marcus Morris. Those are the guys they need to find takers for, not Drummond. It doesn't make sense, and there's no rumors to suggest it does.

I mean feel free to talk about whatever you want, but just keep in mind that there really is no smoke here... just a trolling tweet.


The thing is there is never going to be any smoke in deals that Danny Ainge is working on and I know you know this. So people are just having fun talking about the possibility.
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Post#1799 » by ConstableGeneva » Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:09 pm

greenroom31 wrote:So there's been 10 pages of speculation about a Drummond trade because... he posted the eyeballs emoji after IT did?

Otherwise I have read/seen/heard nothing to suggest Detroit would do this, or is even considering trading Drummond. The Pistons poster couldn't give a reason why they would do it either other than they'd like our Brooklyn pick. Well no **** they would -- so would everyone else -- that doesn't mean every team is going to trade their franchise player to us.

If the Pistons trade Drummond they would still have a roster loaded with $10+ million long-term contracts for guys like Tobias Harris, Reggie Jackson, Jon Leuer and then $5+ million guys Ish Smith, Boban and Marcus Morris. Those are the guys they need to find takers for, not Drummond. It doesn't make sense, and there's no rumors to suggest it does.

I mean feel free to talk about whatever you want, but just keep in mind that there really is no smoke here... just a trolling tweet.

It's not much, but it's something... from Zach Lowe's article a week ago.

Few anticipated this after Detroit rode opportunistic trades and an endless reel of Jackson-Drummond pick-and-rolls last season to their first playoff appearance since 2009. The step back has the Pistons worried they're about to approach the luxury tax for a mediocre team with no path to 50-plus wins. Their justifiable fear that no big free agent would ever consider Detroit pushed them to snare decent players under contract whenever they became available, even if they weren't perfect fits with Drummond and Van Gundy.

They needed talent; they would figure out the rest later. The figuring it out part has been harder than expected, especially with both Jackson and Drummond plateauing. Detroit has quietly explored the trade market for each of its franchise centerpieces, according to sources across the league, and come away disappointed with the potential return. (Van Gundy himself has said anyone is available for "the right price.")

Any Drummond deal at the deadline is an extreme long shot, but Jackson remains in play for Minnesota, Orlando, New Orleans, or some mystery destination. Even if Detroit keeps him, missing the playoffs would put dramatic changes on the table this summer.


There was also the rumor that Kings declined the Drummond-for-Boogie swap.
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Post#1800 » by 165bows » Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:09 pm

greenroom31 wrote:So there's been 10 pages of speculation about a Drummond trade because... he posted the eyeballs emoji after IT did?

Otherwise I have read/seen/heard nothing to suggest Detroit would do this, or is even considering trading Drummond. The Pistons poster couldn't give a reason why they would do it either other than they'd like our Brooklyn pick. Well no **** they would -- so would everyone else -- that doesn't mean every team is going to trade their franchise player to us.

If the Pistons trade Drummond they would still have a roster loaded with $10+ million long-term contracts for guys like Tobias Harris, Reggie Jackson, Jon Leuer and then $5+ million guys Ish Smith, Boban and Marcus Morris. Those are the guys they need to find takers for, not Drummond. It doesn't make sense, and there's no rumors to suggest it does.

I mean feel free to talk about whatever you want, but just keep in mind that there really is no smoke here... just a trolling tweet.

It doesn't mean anything but Drummond re-tweeted Isaiah's tweet and added his own. For backstory, the last time Isaiah tweeted the same eyeballs, the Celtics signed Horford shortly thereafter.

That's the full story on that. It's pure conjecture but very understandable why it has become a topic.

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