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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 3: About Last Knight 

Post#1081 » by Kerrsed » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:50 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:Drummond intrigues me too. Still very young and under contract for years so fits our core and window. He needs to play with a floor spacing 4 and we have two young ones so that checks that box. As much as I like Chriss and Bender I don't think either will be a great rebounder so you need a good one at the 5 and he checks that box too. There is a question of whether he can actually be a good defender or just a guy who gets blocks but at his age that can improve.

The problem as is price. I imagine Detriot wants a lot for him and for me the Suns 2017 pick would be a non starter. Now if it was say some combination of Warren, Len, and the Miami picks I might be open to talk about it. You would also need to find a home for Chandler if you make that deal but I think that's doable.


With Drummond, its not just blocks, but steals as well, which is a very good sign.

Now what if they wanted the Bledsoe/Jackson swap that i mentioned. Would anyone be ok with taking on yet another 4 year $14M under preforming PG that could be very hard to move? And if Bledsoe was on the move, i would be adamant that we keep our pick this year, or in the least have it top 4 protected. I dont even think a pick swap would be that good either, as they currently sit with the 16th pick, and i dont think i would be that willing to drop that far down. Miami pick would be more than fine to me, as we still have our own pick next year as well.

One situation that we dont want to get in is what the Celtics are dealing with. They have been stockpiling picks for years now, but once those picks have been used drafting players, it turns into a ticking clock. While the picks held much value at the time, now players selected with those picks have dropped the value immensely. I mean really, what team would be real enamored with guys like Young/Zeller/Olynyk, all mid 1st round pick guys towards the end of their rookie deals, or even Smart/Brown, 2 very high lotto picks that really havent showed much on the league. I'd say that damn near all those players were at their highest value when they were still unmade draft picks, and the value has only gone down from there. Now Bostons greatest assets are their 2 Brooklyn picks.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 3: About Last Knight 

Post#1082 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:50 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Why trade 80% of the Cousins package for Drummond.

It would be such a Suns move.


Completely different situations. Cousins can leave after next season and is almost guaranteed to take free agent visits the summer of 2018. Drummond is under contract for 4 1/2 more years. Cousins is also a prick on and off the court. Drummond has his own effort issues at times but I haven't heard about him being a jerk or anything.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 3: About Last Knight 

Post#1083 » by Kerrsed » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:53 pm

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Mulhollanddrive wrote:Why trade 80% of the Cousins package for Drummond.

It would be such a Suns move.


Completely different situations. Cousins can leave after next season and is almost guaranteed to take free agent visits the summer of 2018. Drummond is under contract for 4 1/2 more years. Cousins is also a prick on and off the court. Drummond has his own effort issues at times but I haven't heard about him being a jerk or anything.


While i dont agree with your statement of Cousins attitude off the court (As all reports state otherwise), i do totally agree with the rest.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 3: About Last Knight 

Post#1084 » by GotEm » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:54 pm

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GotEm wrote:I think the people who thought Cousins is cancerous and all that are gonna eat their words now. He's gonna shine in New Orleans because they aren't as dysfunctional as Sacramento.

Or it will be the opposite and Boogie apologists will no longer have the Kings and Vivek to blame for every stupid thing Cousins does.

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By all accounts, Cousins is a swell guy off the court: He’s been honored for his community service and goes out of his way to do good in the world. But there have always been rumblings around the league that the tantrums Cousins has on the court are only a glimpse of what’s actually happening behind closed doors. Expect to have some of those stories trickle out. Think about how badly the Kings kept the Boogie trade talks quiet on Sunday night. You really think they’re going to keep tales of his possible transgressions under wraps?

Sources around the league have indicated that Cousins has megalomaniac tendencies: He grows jealous when teammates receive credit for team success, or he reacts negatively if a teammate makes a mistake. It’s hard for players to follow along when the leader doesn’t practice what he preaches. You don’t have to look hard to find the stories. On Monday’s episode of The Lowe Post podcast, Zach Lowe told Brian Windhorst, “DeMarcus Cousins ruined Nik Stauskas … or almost did. The stories about DeMarcus Cousins berating Nik Stauskas, threatening to fight Nik Stauskas on the plane to China when they were going there for the preseason, two years ago or whenever that was … he ruined Nik Stauskas.” The rumblings are the same from people in drastically different circles.

Perhaps the strongest evidence we have of Cousins’s trouble-making comes from Kings minority owner Shaquille O’Neal, who put it this way on Inside the NBA last November: “In the previous years, he’ made a lot of mistakes, he’s been hot-headed, he hasn’t shown great leadership qualities,” O’Neal said. “Whatever you bark at your teammates about, make sure you go out and do it. You can’t be belittling people on the court. … He’s just cursing guys out in the locker room.”

I’m a Cousins apologist and believe the Kings’ dysfunction was harmful for his maturation. But traits like mental toughness and resiliency are tough to learn — you either have them or you don’t. Cousins might be a transcendent player, but he’s a G-Leaguer when it comes to intangibles.

We'll find out in New Orleans but I think he'll thrive in a different situation.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 3: About Last Knight 

Post#1085 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:56 pm

Kerrsed wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Drummond intrigues me too. Still very young and under contract for years so fits our core and window. He needs to play with a floor spacing 4 and we have two young ones so that checks that box. As much as I like Chriss and Bender I don't think either will be a great rebounder so you need a good one at the 5 and he checks that box too. There is a question of whether he can actually be a good defender or just a guy who gets blocks but at his age that can improve.

The problem as is price. I imagine Detriot wants a lot for him and for me the Suns 2017 pick would be a non starter. Now if it was say some combination of Warren, Len, and the Miami picks I might be open to talk about it. You would also need to find a home for Chandler if you make that deal but I think that's doable.


With Drummond, its not just blocks, but steals as well, which is a very good sign.

Now what if they wanted the Bledsoe/Jackson swap that i mentioned. Would anyone be ok with taking on yet another 4 year $14M under preforming PG that could be very hard to move? And if Bledsoe was on the move, i would be adamant that we keep our pick this year, or in the least have it top 4 protected. I dont even think a pick swap would be that good either, as they currently sit with the 16th pick, and i dont think i would be that willing to drop that far down. Miami pick would be more than fine to me, as we still have our own pick next year as well.

One situation that we dont want to get in is what the Celtics are dealing with. They have been stockpiling picks for years now, but once those picks have been used drafting players, it turns into a ticking clock. While the picks held much value at the time, now players selected with those picks have dropped the value immensely. I mean really, what team would be real enamored with guys like Young/Zeller/Olynyk, all mid 1st round pick guys towards the end of their rookie deals, or even Smart/Brown, 2 very high lotto picks that really havent showed much on the league. I'd say that damn near all those players were at their highest value when they were still unmade draft picks, and the value has only gone down from there. Now Bostons greatest assets are their 2 Brooklyn picks.


Man I really wouldn't want to take Jackson back and the thought of him and knight on the same team makes me cringe. I guess if it was say Bledsoe and Chandler plus maybe that protected Miami pick for Drummon and Jackson then sure. But I'm not sure that would be enough for the Pistons.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 3: About Last Knight 

Post#1086 » by OGBAH » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:58 pm

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Post#1087 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:59 pm

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:Why trade 80% of the Cousins package for Drummond.

It would be such a Suns move.


Completely different situations. Cousins can leave after next season and is almost guaranteed to take free agent visits the summer of 2018. Drummond is under contract for 4 1/2 more years. Cousins is also a prick on and off the court. Drummond has his own effort issues at times but I haven't heard about him being a jerk or anything.


While i dont agree with your statement of Cousins attitude off the court (As all reports state otherwise), i do totally agree with the rest.


There's a difference between being a good dude in the community which he seems to be and being an **** to his fellow teammates, media, and coaches. That's the offcourt I"m referring to.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 3: About Last Knight 

Post#1088 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:00 am

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Seems super legit... no take backs :lol:
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 3: About Last Knight 

Post#1089 » by LukasBMW » Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:12 am

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
OGBAH wrote:
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Seems super legit... no take backs :lol:


What a dream that would be. I'd be OK if it was top 3 protected too! LOL.
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Post#1090 » by Christine-In-AZ » Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:19 am

sunsbum wrote:Ok, I have a thought here. If we can get Favors for on the cheap since the Jazz are basically just looking to shed a contract and probably get a pick in return. Do we sell the rest of our assets for Paul George?

Jazz In: Barbosa/Tucker/Future 1st

Suns In: Favors/Scrub


Pacers In: Warren/Len/Miami 2018 1st/Phx 2017 1st

Suns In: George/Scrub


Does

Bledsoe
Booker
George
Favors
Chandler

Look like a competitive team to anyone else cause it does to me.

This is my one trade proposal of the year.


I keep looking for Bender and Chriss in your "outgoing"...but they're not there. Those two trades are not out there crazy at all. Both a reach, but not crazy.

Bledsoe
Booker
George
Favors
Chandler
+
Bender
Chriss
Dudley
Ulis
Knight (maybe he wakes up?)
Jones Jr.
2017 2nd round pick

I'm in... very in!
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The Rosterbation of the year. Congrats!


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Post#1091 » by Fo-Real » Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:21 am

Guessing that trade is SUPER FAKE?!?!
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Post#1092 » by Fo-Real » Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:22 am

Kerrsed wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Drummond intrigues me too. Still very young and under contract for years so fits our core and window. He needs to play with a floor spacing 4 and we have two young ones so that checks that box. As much as I like Chriss and Bender I don't think either will be a great rebounder so you need a good one at the 5 and he checks that box too. There is a question of whether he can actually be a good defender or just a guy who gets blocks but at his age that can improve.

The problem as is price. I imagine Detriot wants a lot for him and for me the Suns 2017 pick would be a non starter. Now if it was say some combination of Warren, Len, and the Miami picks I might be open to talk about it. You would also need to find a home for Chandler if you make that deal but I think that's doable.


With Drummond, its not just blocks, but steals as well, which is a very good sign.

Now what if they wanted the Bledsoe/Jackson swap that i mentioned. Would anyone be ok with taking on yet another 4 year $14M under preforming PG that could be very hard to move? And if Bledsoe was on the move, i would be adamant that we keep our pick this year, or in the least have it top 4 protected. I dont even think a pick swap would be that good either, as they currently sit with the 16th pick, and i dont think i would be that willing to drop that far down. Miami pick would be more than fine to me, as we still have our own pick next year as well.

One situation that we dont want to get in is what the Celtics are dealing with. They have been stockpiling picks for years now, but once those picks have been used drafting players, it turns into a ticking clock. While the picks held much value at the time, now players selected with those picks have dropped the value immensely. I mean really, what team would be real enamored with guys like Young/Zeller/Olynyk, all mid 1st round pick guys towards the end of their rookie deals, or even Smart/Brown, 2 very high lotto picks that really havent showed much on the league. I'd say that damn near all those players were at their highest value when they were still unmade draft picks, and the value has only gone down from there. Now Bostons greatest assets are their 2 Brooklyn picks.


Maybe you can move Jackson down the line to Orlando for Payton and other assets?
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 3: About Last Knight 

Post#1093 » by Kerrsed » Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:25 am

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Not cool man, not cool.

I didnt even bother reading the Twitter handle, just the tweet, and was like cool, we move Len/Tucker to the Celtics. Had to do a double take for it to set in what exactly it was saying we got. Then i was all like OH..........MY...........GOD............

Lastly i looked at the handle and got an immediate sinking feeling in my stomach, like that 100 foot drop on a rollercoaster.

Stupid fake tweets! :evil:
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Post#1094 » by Damkac » Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:27 am

LukasBMW wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:
OGBAH wrote:
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Seems super legit... no take backs :lol:


What a dream that would be. I'd be OK if it was top 3 protected too! LOL.

I totally believe this tweet. No doubt that the suns have agreed. But I'm not so sure if Celtics also have agreed.
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Post#1095 » by Kerrsed » Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:29 am

Also, another thing to note, Drummond didnt just remove his Pistons profile picture, but he also un-followed them.
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Post#1096 » by OGBAH » Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:33 am

Nets pick for Dre?
Top 3 picks are PG and they have IT and Smart...IDK
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Post#1097 » by Saberestar » Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:34 am

Kerrsed wrote:Also, another thing to note, Drummond didnt just remove his Pistons profile picture, but he also un-followed them.

We will see it in the next two days, but those details are huge. He probably knows for sure that he is gonna be traded and now the FO is working to get the best offer for him.
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Post#1098 » by GotEm » Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:39 am

Kerrsed wrote:Also, another thing to note, Drummond didnt just remove his Pistons profile picture, but he also un-followed them.

Him and IT did some cute Twitter thing too.

Boston may be trading for him.
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Post#1099 » by Mulhollanddrive » Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:41 am

Hypothetical Comparisons:

Bledsoe 30% Max
Booker 25% Max
Drummond 25% Max

Cap Space 20%

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Cousins 35% Max
Bledsoe 30% Max
Booker 25% Max

Cap Space 10%
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Post#1100 » by carey » Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:41 am

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