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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1481 » by jrob23 » Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:09 pm

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jrob23 wrote:So if the team is keeping Ben out because they want to tank...why are they going out and winning? Time to accept it, your boy Ben wanted this. The injury excuse is just cover for it. You fans deserve better.

I think you're misunderstanding how tanking is executed. You make it sound like we can't be tanking because our head coach and players aren't actively trying to lose basketball games. That's not how it works. If you look at what our FO has been doing, rather than our team, it's incredibly obvious that they aren't trying to maximize our record this season.

As for the Simmons situation, with how little information/hard evidence you have, forming any kind of hard opinion on the subject is foolish. It's plausible that you're right, but it's also 100% plausible that Simmons re-aggravated the injury, especially when you look at our medical staff's history of incompetence(not to mention that Simmons specific injury can be a complicated one to heal). Maybe you should take a deep breath and put down the pitchfork? Let this thing play out a bit before you declare it a conspiracy?

Also, gtfo with that "I'm his biggest supporter" BS. When you truly support someone, you don't just turn on them so easily without a shred of evidence.

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I mean I was his biggest supporter when haters on my board and elsewhere claimed he was overrated. I've argued all along that he is truly a generational player and he along with Embid, Saric and your upcoming draft picks will make you the team to beat after the Lebron era. But no more. I don't have proof but there's enough smoke starting with the rumors of him choosing to sit out because of his injury, the reports he was healing just fine, him putting up videos of working out and claiming he's close...to know there's fire. It all points to him putting on a show so fans don't hate on him. You can choose to keep your head in the sand if you want. You aren't alone. imo it's easier for you and others to hate on the owner or G.M. because you so badly want to root for Simmons and desperately need him to be part of you getting back to the playoffs.

I just won't defend him knowing he orchestrated this whole thing. If I was a PHI fan maybe I would give him the benefit of the doubt because hell, you have no choice. You either do that or accept he's a fraud and never root for him personally. Of course you'll choose to believe this nonsense. Critics pointed to his lack of effort and care while at LSU and I reasoned that he felt trapped and forced to go to college when he didn't need to and didn't want to reward the NCAA system with his presence in the tournament. It was selfish but I understood the reasons. This is selfish just for the sake of accolades and money so he can earn Rookie of the Year. Ask yourself this. Why would someone make up that rumor about him sitting out the whole year. What person or organization would benefit from putting out a supposedly fake rumor? It came out because it was leaked. Someone in the know let everyone know the kind of person he was. They even rumored that the rehab and healing would keep getting extended until the season was so far along it was believable they'd shut him down for good. And people laughed! And now it came true and people still don't believe it. WTF?
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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1482 » by Mik317 » Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:16 pm

dude no one cares.
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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1483 » by SMTBSI » Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:19 pm

Hey guys, just a heads up. This particular poster is not a Celtic fan. He's an elaborate troll account dedicated to drumming up negative sentiment against and within our fanbase. (And unfortunately he's very good at it.)

On our board, he does nothing but talk up your core and talk about how much better of a situation Philly is in than Boston, then he comes over here and turns around and trolls you guys...



oddwolfhooligan wrote:Also, gtfo with that "I'm his biggest supporter" BS. When you truly support someone, you don't just turn on them so easily without a shred of evidence.

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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1484 » by Negrodamus » Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:21 pm

SMTBSI wrote:Hey guys, just a heads up. This particular poster is not a Celtic fan. He's an elaborate troll account dedicated to drumming up negative sentiment against and within our fanbase. (And unfortunately he's very good at it.)

On our board, he does nothing but talk up your core and talk about how much better of a situation Philly is in than Boston, then he comes over here and turns around and trolls you guys...


Then mods should ban him on both boards, no?
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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1485 » by LongLiveHinkie » Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:23 pm

Hey guys, I'm Jaime Lannister's biggest supporter. I really really am. But honestly, I hope he dies ASAP to get his ass the hell off Game of Thrones!
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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1486 » by SMTBSI » Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:23 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
SMTBSI wrote:Hey guys, just a heads up. This particular poster is not a Celtic fan. He's an elaborate troll account dedicated to drumming up negative sentiment against and within our fanbase. (And unfortunately he's very good at it.)

On our board, he does nothing but talk up your core and talk about how much better of a situation Philly is in than Boston, then he comes over here and turns around and trolls you guys...


Then mods should ban him on both boards, no?

I wish. It's very hard to prove though. He never quite crosses the line or does anything singular that you can point to as proof. It's a body of evidence thing - you have to pay attention and see his techniques repeating over and over across different boards and conversations. It's very well executed.

Suffice to say that what he's doing here with Simmons, is the sort of thing he's doing constantly.
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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1487 » by JojoSlimbiid » Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:32 pm

I'm confused.....Ben already did summer league. There is no reason for him to play int he summer league this year if he's still rehabbing, even if he isn't still no point.
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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1488 » by eagereyez » Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:32 pm

When the Boston Celtics send their fans here, they aren't sending their best. That's all I'm saying folks.
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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1489 » by Unbreakable99 » Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:46 pm

eagereyez wrote:
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eagereyez wrote:Embiid didn't play in summer league.


Because he was hurt. Simmons will be healthy. Big difference. And also Embiid's injury was much more severe and career threatening. Simmons' injury is not career threatening and he will be healthy soon. He needs to play in summer league.

I'm anticipating that Simmons will need a second surgery. Something went wrong if he's not "fully healed" by now. Last time they used that phrase was when Embiid re-opened his fracture.


Well obviously if he needs a second surgery he can't play in summer league. We shall see. He had the same doctor do his surgery who did Embiid's second surgery. I hope he doesn't need another one. That would be bad and concerning. But if he is healthy he needs to play in summer league. No excuse not to.
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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1490 » by oddwolfhooligan » Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:51 pm

jrob23 wrote:
oddwolfhooligan wrote:
jrob23 wrote:So if the team is keeping Ben out because they want to tank...why are they going out and winning? Time to accept it, your boy Ben wanted this. The injury excuse is just cover for it. You fans deserve better.

I think you're misunderstanding how tanking is executed. You make it sound like we can't be tanking because our head coach and players aren't actively trying to lose basketball games. That's not how it works. If you look at what our FO has been doing, rather than our team, it's incredibly obvious that they aren't trying to maximize our record this season.

As for the Simmons situation, with how little information/hard evidence you have, forming any kind of hard opinion on the subject is foolish. It's plausible that you're right, but it's also 100% plausible that Simmons re-aggravated the injury, especially when you look at our medical staff's history of incompetence(not to mention that Simmons specific injury can be a complicated one to heal). Maybe you should take a deep breath and put down the pitchfork? Let this thing play out a bit before you declare it a conspiracy?

Also, gtfo with that "I'm his biggest supporter" BS. When you truly support someone, you don't just turn on them so easily without a shred of evidence.

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I mean I was his biggest supporter when haters on my board and elsewhere claimed he was overrated. I've argued all along that he is truly a generational player and he along with Embid, Saric and your upcoming draft picks will make you the team to beat after the Lebron era. But no more. I don't have proof but there's enough smoke starting with the rumors of him choosing to sit out because of his injury, the reports he was healing just fine, him putting up videos of working out and claiming he's close...to know there's fire. It all points to him putting on a show so fans don't hate on him. You can choose to keep your head in the sand if you want. You aren't alone. imo it's easier for you and others to hate on the owner or G.M. because you so badly want to root for Simmons and desperately need him to be part of you getting back to the playoffs.

I just won't defend him knowing he orchestrated this whole thing. If I was a PHI fan maybe I would give him the benefit of the doubt because hell, you have no choice. You either do that or accept he's a fraud and never root for him personally. Of course you'll choose to believe this nonsense. Critics pointed to his lack of effort and care while at LSU and I reasoned that he felt trapped and forced to go to college when he didn't need to and didn't want to reward the NCAA system with his presence in the tournament. It was selfish but I understood the reasons. This is selfish just for the sake of accolades and money so he can earn Rookie of the Year. Ask yourself this. Why would someone make up that rumor about him sitting out the whole year. What person or organization would benefit from putting out a supposedly fake rumor? It came out because it was leaked. Someone in the know let everyone know the kind of person he was. They even rumored that the rehab and healing would keep getting extended until the season was so far along it was believable they'd shut him down for good. And people laughed! And now it came true and people still don't believe it. WTF?

Jesus dude, just because I disagree with your point of view doesn't mean my head is in the sand or that I'm not open to reason. I have posts IN THIS THREAD declaring the situation suspicious. However, without any real evidence, it's not rational or reasonable to make the leap from skepticism to condemnation. In fact, in more public domains, approaching this situation as irresponsibly as you are is straight up unethical.

Believe it or not, it is possible to simultaneously be skeptical and not jump to any hard conclusions about Ben Simmons character. And this is coming from someone who has been willing to question Simmons' mental makeup on this board for over a year now. You do not KNOW that he personally orchestrated this whole thing. You suspect he did. There is a world of difference between those two statements. Unlike you, some people just need to have more than suspicion to call for a witch hunt. It's a "treat others the way you want to be treated" kind of thing.


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Post#1491 » by SMTBSI » Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:51 pm

Here's some evidence for my claim. Please note that these posts are in chronological order - literally switching back and forth between hyping and trashing Simmons, depending on what's most inflamatory.

jrob wrote:not long after he was injured and we knew it'd be a 12 week rehab, sources close to his camp leaked that he'd rather just sit out the entire year than play half a season and forfeit a chance at ROTY and the bonus that came with it in his shoe contract. People laughed about it at the time but it's looking like that leak was actually spot on. PHI "process", and Ben fanboys don't want to admit it but that's just what this team has become and who Ben is. It's not like it matters in the grand scheme of things except how obviously dishonest he and the team has been to the fans.

I thought it was obvious to everyone but man...going by the responses, some people are actually still willing to defend he and the team and believe this nonsense


jrob wrote:agreed, and it's a scumbag move by him too. And I think ownership is falling on the sword for him too. They're even going so far as agreeing to play the bad guy as he pretends to be upset about playing when in reality that decision was made the day the doctor told him it'd take him 12 weeks to heal. The only way I'll believe different is if he does in fact play. I feel for you fans, I'd be so pissed. I can't believe there are so many that take the official statements hook, line and sinker. Fans are so desperate (not just PHI fans but all fans of all team) to see their team successful they'll excuse this treatment from their teams and players. Such a shame for those guys that bought tickets specifically because Simmons was drafted.


jrob wrote:[Simmons is] a generational talent like AD, KD, Lebron. He really is going to be that special. It's just jealousy really especially from BOS homers who don't want to admit that you will be further along on your rebuild and thus closer to your next championship after next draft. You'll have your Big 3. You still have trade chips to sell off and cap money to spend. BOS is also golden but I'd take Embid and Simmons over any of our players.


jrob wrote:PHI will have two of these players if LAL don't finish top 3. Adding them to Simmons and Embid and wow. They're the one team I feel will threaten our future success the most.


jrob wrote:I've been his biggest supporter, defending him and his, imo, generational talent to all the haters on my board and elsewhere. ... This isn't how a generational talent acts. This isn't alpha. He's a fraud.


jrob wrote:This kid is such a beta fraud. The team is taking the bullets for him. You have to feel for the fans. They thought PHI drafted a generational talent. Instead you're finding out he's a selfish coward.


jrob wrote:If they came out and told you that it was his desire to stay out everyone would call him the fraud beta he is.


jrob wrote:The team can't let the fans know what a fraud he is because they need them to buy tickets to watch him play. If as I predict, Ben takes the first opportunity to leave PHI, expect all the dirt to come out on him. He's a selfish player. PHI fans deserve better.
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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1492 » by Unbreakable99 » Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:55 pm

JojoSlimbiid wrote:I'm confused.....Ben already did summer league. There is no reason for him to play int he summer league this year if he's still rehabbing, even if he isn't still no point.


Plenty of players play in summer league more than once. Mudiay and Booker did. Eldrid Payton. Many players do. If Simmons did in fact play this season I would not be advocating him playing in summer league but since he didn't he should play. If he doesn't need another surgery and is fine then he needs to play. He should be full go by the end of the season. BC even said in his press conference the other day Simmons may play in summer league so it's not ridiculous to expect.

Russell played in summer league last year too. I expect Ingram to play in summer league this year again too. This is common.
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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1493 » by marcush » Sat Feb 25, 2017 10:16 pm

The kids injury obviously hasn't healed properly....a seemingly common issue for Sixer players. But whatever......keep banging on about Tanking, ROY or whatever conspiracy theory you guys need to rationalise this.
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Post#1494 » by NJ SixerFan » Sat Feb 25, 2017 10:36 pm

Whether his foot is actually healed or not, longest healing timeline for this injury ever, the sixers should do a complete overhaul of their medical team. Either the sixers medical team is the best in the business (only staff that operates this way) or they are completely out of their depth. All over the NBA players are injured all the time. They are examined, treated, and put on a path towards return. Medical staffs all over the NBA provide expected return to play dates and typically the players return within those time frames but no not the Sixers. This is a results based business and the Sixers medical staff simply doesn't produce enough positive results with how they care for the players on this team.
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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1495 » by nurseryc » Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:44 am

I sent there any word on when Simmons will be going under the knife to fix the fracture? I want this to happen now so he will be right by the start of next season
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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1496 » by Ericb5 » Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:57 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:
Ericb5 wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:I want Simmons to play in Summer League. He should be more than healthy to play. I just want to see him. His teammates say how great he looked in practice before the season. I remember Saric saying ow big and strong he was and he was glowing about him. He made simmons seem like on another level of a player than he was and I hope he's right. Embiid said he was the best player just recently. Those things mean a lot. I just want to see it. Just play in summer league please. I'd love to see him and at least 1 other lottery pick and maybe 2 if we're lucky.


I surely WANT to see him in the summer league, but I can't think of an advantage to him or the team to have him play in summer league.

He's too good for summer league anyway.


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Every rookie does summer league. Even LeBron did it. Ben isn't too good for summer league. And why wouldn't it be an advantage to him or the team? Sitting a healthy player benefits no one.


He played already last year. Not playing summer league is not the same thing as "sitting a healthy player". Embiid isn't going to play summer league either.

There is no reason to play him in summer league. I get it. We want to watch him play, but from the Sixers perspective, there is no advantage.


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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1497 » by Ericb5 » Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:05 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
SMTBSI wrote:Hey guys, just a heads up. This particular poster is not a Celtic fan. He's an elaborate troll account dedicated to drumming up negative sentiment against and within our fanbase. (And unfortunately he's very good at it.)

On our board, he does nothing but talk up your core and talk about how much better of a situation Philly is in than Boston, then he comes over here and turns around and trolls you guys...


Then mods should ban him on both boards, no?


Unfortunately, mods don't ban people enough on our board. If they ban anyone it is only the random troll that posts infrequently. There are several regular posters that should have been banned long ago.




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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1498 » by Ericb5 » Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:08 pm

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eagereyez wrote:
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Because he was hurt. Simmons will be healthy. Big difference. And also Embiid's injury was much more severe and career threatening. Simmons' injury is not career threatening and he will be healthy soon. He needs to play in summer league.

I'm anticipating that Simmons will need a second surgery. Something went wrong if he's not "fully healed" by now. Last time they used that phrase was when Embiid re-opened his fracture.


Well obviously if he needs a second surgery he can't play in summer league. We shall see. He had the same doctor do his surgery who did Embiid's second surgery. I hope he doesn't need another one. That would be bad and concerning. But if he is healthy he needs to play in summer league. No excuse not to.


You don't need an excuse to not play summer league a second time. Star players don't ever play a second time.


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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1499 » by nurseryc » Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:09 pm

nurseryc wrote:I sent there any word on when Simmons will be going under the knife to fix the fracture? I want this to happen now so he will be right by the start of next season


I raised this question in the general forum and the topic was locked.
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Post#1500 » by CoreyGallagher » Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:31 pm

We don't know, we don't even know if he's gong to require a second surgery yet.
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