1991-92 Michael Jordan Shot Chart

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Re: 1991-92 Michael Jordan Shot Chart 

Post#41 » by Dipper 13 » Tue Aug 16, 2016 3:40 am

Updated shot charts for 1988-90 playoffs, plus the '91 playoffs from this thread. Interesting to note how much his percentage from the right wing skyrocketed from 1988 up through the 1992 sample. It literally went from his least efficient jump shooting zone inside the arc to (by far) his most efficient zone.

Games *1 game missing and another incomplete

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1988 Playoffs

Spoiler:
At Rim: 62/86 FG (72.1%)
In Paint (Overall): 75/126 FG (59.5%)
Mid-Range: 50/106 FG (47.2%)
3 Point: 1/3 FG (33.3%)


Mid-Range Shooting Stats From Chart:

10 to <16 ft: 26/58 (44.8%)
16 ft to <3-pt: 35/72 (48.6%)


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1989 Playoffs

Spoiler:
At Rim: 106/158 FG (67.1%)
In Paint (Overall): 127/218 FG (58.3%)
Mid-Range: 62/137 FG (45.3%)
3 Point: 10/35 FG (28.6%)


Mid-Range Shooting Stats From Chart:

10 to <16 ft: 37/76 (48.7%)
16 ft to <3-pt: 41/95 (43.2%)


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1990 Playoffs

Spoiler:
At Rim: 72/97 FG (74.2%)
In Paint (Overall): 86/134 FG (64.2%)
Mid-Range: 111/232 FG (47.8%)
3 Point: 16/50 FG (32.0%)


Mid-Range Shooting Stats From Chart:

10 to <16 ft: 54/92 (58.7%)
16 ft to <3-pt: 65/161 (40.4%)


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1991 Playoffs

Spoiler:
At Rim: 78/108 FG (72.2%)
In Paint (Overall): 102/171 FG (59.6%)
Mid-Range: 84/178 FG (47.2%)
3 Point: 10/26 FG (38.5%)


Mid-Range Shooting Stats From Chart:

10 to <16 ft: 51/110 (46.3%)
16 ft to <3-pt: 47/107 (43.9%)


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1988-91 Playoffs

Spoiler:
At Rim: 318/449 FG (70.8%)
In Paint (Overall): 174/371 FG (46.9%)
Mid-Range: 307/653 FG (47.0%)
3 Point: 37/114 FG (38.5%)


Mid-Range Shooting Stats From Chart:

10 to <16 ft: 168/336 (50.0%)
16 ft to <3-pt: 188/435 (43.2%)


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Re: 1991-92 Michael Jordan Shot Chart 

Post#42 » by ItsThatEasy » Thu Mar 2, 2017 3:13 pm

Amazing thread, was looking for an MJ shot chart and came across this.

It's crazy that MJ's mid-range game is sort of his signature but truthfully he's gotta be the GOAT slasher, he could get to the rim at will.

Great work OP.
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Re: 1991-92 Michael Jordan Shot Chart 

Post#43 » by Point-Forward » Thu Mar 2, 2017 5:24 pm

This is probably one of the best threads ive seen around here. Amazing stuff, Dipper.

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Post#44 » by ShotCreator » Thu Mar 2, 2017 5:48 pm

It looks like his finishing ability took a hard hit in the 1992 season. Despite the extra polish and savviness in 92, I would take 1990 or 1991 over that year because of his higher motor and explosion.

Dipper, I wish you could've collected his 1992 clutch data. Good work nonetheless.
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Post#45 » by Quotatious » Thu Mar 2, 2017 6:09 pm

RW2014 wrote:It looks like his finishing ability took a hard hit in the 1992 season. Despite the extra polish and savviness in 92, I would take 1990 or 1991 over that year because of his higher motor and explosion. .

Agreed. His metrics are clearly down in '92 compared to '88-'91, both in RS and in the playoffs, and he was also a less efficient scorer. I think a good case can be made that '93 was slightly better than '92 ('93 is my favorite version of MJ to watch, his offensive game was so polished and versatile). Bulls had their best team of MJ's pre-retirement career, but that's because Pippen was arguably at his peak, and Grant was clearly at his peak, that year. Jordan was obviously in his prime and comfortably the best player in the league that year, but his metirics are right around or slightly below Bulls career average, so I think he definitely had a few better seasons than '92, individually.
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Post#46 » by lorak » Thu Mar 2, 2017 6:23 pm

RW2014 wrote:
Dipper, I wish you could've collected his 1992 clutch data. Good work nonetheless.


We could do something like that collectively, as realGM project. It's really a lot of work to stat track one game, not to mention several dozens, but if we would have 10-20 dedicated people we could stat track at least playoffs for major players like MJ, Hakeem or Bird. Of course it would take years and would be useful just for a bunch of people on the massage boards, but hey, what you don't do for the love of the game? ;)
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Re: 1991-92 Michael Jordan Shot Chart 

Post#47 » by Dipper 13 » Thu Mar 2, 2017 6:37 pm

RW2014 wrote:It looks like his finishing ability took a hard hit in the 1992 season. Despite the extra polish and savviness in 92, I would take 1990 or 1991 over that year because of his higher motor and explosion.

Dipper, I wish you could've collected his 1992 clutch data. Good work nonetheless.



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I figured what the point would be since the RS is incomplete, plus I already compiled "clutch" data for his entire playoff career. This didn't take nearly as long since I was only watching the end of games (last 5 minutes + OT).
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Re: 1991-92 Michael Jordan Shot Chart 

Post#48 » by juice4080 » Thu Mar 2, 2017 6:51 pm

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RW2014 wrote:It looks like his finishing ability took a hard hit in the 1992 season. Despite the extra polish and savviness in 92, I would take 1990 or 1991 over that year because of his higher motor and explosion.

Dipper, I wish you could've collected his 1992 clutch data. Good work nonetheless.



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I figured what the point would be since the RS is incomplete, plus I already compiled "clutch" data for his entire playoff career. This didn't take nearly as long since I was only watching the end of games (last 5 minutes + OT).


52% on clutch shots? this can't be true? he basically got more efficient in clutch situations while most players get worse?

this is mindboggling to read
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Post#49 » by Dipper 13 » Thu Mar 2, 2017 6:55 pm

Quotatious wrote:Agreed. His metrics are clearly down in '92 compared to '88-'91, both in RS and in the playoffs, and he was also a less efficient scorer. I think a good case can be made that '93 was slightly better than '92 ('93 is my favorite version of MJ to watch, his offensive game was so polished and versatile). Bulls had their best team of MJ's pre-retirement career, but that's because Pippen was arguably at his peak, and Grant was clearly at his peak, that year. Jordan was obviously in his prime and comfortably the best player in the league that year, but his metirics are right around or slightly below Bulls career average, so I think he definitely had a few better seasons than '92, individually.


IMO the Team Performance data is very telling. I realize this is not RAPM, but in this 55 game sample, Bulls were a -11.3 team with him on the bench vs. +13.5 on the court. Even with both Pippen and Grant off the court, Bulls were still +11.4 team with Jordan on court, albeit a small sample size. To have nearly a +25 Net impact on a +10.1 SRS team is very impressive. :o
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Post#50 » by Dipper 13 » Thu Mar 2, 2017 6:58 pm

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52% on clutch shots? this can't be true? he basically got more efficient in clutch situations while most players get worse?

this is mindboggling to read


Yes, also from 1990-92 in the playoffs (24 Games) he shot 62.2% on clutch shots, despite enormous volume.
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Post#51 » by Quotatious » Thu Mar 2, 2017 6:59 pm

Dipper 13 wrote:IMO the Team Performance data is very telling. I realize this is not RAPM, but in this 55 game sample, Bulls were a -11.3 team with him on the bench vs. +13.5 on the court. Even with both Pippen and Grant off the court, Bulls were still +11.4 team with Jordan on court, albeit a small sample size. To have nearly a +25 Net impact on a +10.1 SRS team is very impressive. :o

Sure, those are amazing impact numbers, but do we know what they looked like for 1988-91 or 1993? He could be even better in those other years (if you have such numbers for some of those other years, I would greatly appreciate that). Also, we have raw plus/minus for 1995-96 season, when the Bulls won 72 games, and MJ led the league in raw plus/minus, so his RAPM would be extremely high, for sure.
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Re: 1991-92 Michael Jordan Shot Chart 

Post#52 » by ItsThatEasy » Thu Mar 2, 2017 7:00 pm

Dipper 13 wrote:Updated shot charts for 1988-90 playoffs, plus the '91 playoffs from this thread. Interesting to note how much his percentage from the right wing skyrocketed from 1988 up through the 1992 sample. It literally went from his least efficient jump shooting zone inside the arc to (by far) his most efficient zone.

Games *1 game missing and another incomplete

https://s4.postimg.io/60ba7o0m5/image.png



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1988 Playoffs

Spoiler:
At Rim: 62/86 FG (72.1%)
In Paint (Overall): 75/126 FG (59.5%)
Mid-Range: 50/106 FG (47.2%)
3 Point: 1/3 FG (33.3%)


Mid-Range Shooting Stats From Chart:

10 to <16 ft: 26/58 (44.8%)
16 ft to <3-pt: 35/72 (48.6%)


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1989 Playoffs

Spoiler:
At Rim: 106/158 FG (67.1%)
In Paint (Overall): 127/218 FG (58.3%)
Mid-Range: 62/137 FG (45.3%)
3 Point: 10/35 FG (28.6%)


Mid-Range Shooting Stats From Chart:

10 to <16 ft: 37/76 (48.7%)
16 ft to <3-pt: 41/95 (43.2%)


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1990 Playoffs

Spoiler:
At Rim: 72/97 FG (74.2%)
In Paint (Overall): 86/134 FG (64.2%)
Mid-Range: 111/232 FG (47.8%)
3 Point: 16/50 FG (32.0%)


Mid-Range Shooting Stats From Chart:

10 to <16 ft: 54/92 (58.7%)
16 ft to <3-pt: 65/161 (40.4%)


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1991 Playoffs

Spoiler:
At Rim: 78/108 FG (72.2%)
In Paint (Overall): 102/171 FG (59.6%)
Mid-Range: 84/178 FG (47.2%)
3 Point: 10/26 FG (38.5%)


Mid-Range Shooting Stats From Chart:

10 to <16 ft: 51/110 (46.3%)
16 ft to <3-pt: 47/107 (43.9%)


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1988-91 Playoffs

Spoiler:
At Rim: 318/449 FG (70.8%)
In Paint (Overall): 174/371 FG (46.9%)
Mid-Range: 307/653 FG (47.0%)
3 Point: 37/114 FG (38.5%)


Mid-Range Shooting Stats From Chart:

10 to <16 ft: 168/336 (50.0%)
16 ft to <3-pt: 188/435 (43.2%)


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I know we're on the statistical side of things right now but how would you even describe 90-92 Jordan style wise?

Seems like the guy could just get to the basketball and finish and the mid-range was a backup plan.
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Post#53 » by Dipper 13 » Thu Mar 2, 2017 7:08 pm

Quotatious wrote:Sure, those are amazing impact numbers, but do we know what they looked like for 1988-91 or 1993? He could be even better in those other years (if you have such numbers for some of those other years, I would greatly appreciate that).


Yes I have wondered about this as well, unfortunately the issue is game availability.


ItsThatEasy wrote:I know we're on the statistical side of things right now but how would you even describe 90-92 Jordan style wise?

Seems like the guy could just get to the basketball and finish and the mid-range was a backup plan.


He could always get to the basket at will, but it seemed like he was most comfortable with the mid-range shot in 1992. Probably because he finally had full confidence in the triangle offense, having won the championship already. IMO his slashing and finishing ability peaked in 1990, he almost looks quicker that year than even in the 80's. It might have something to do with 1989-90 being the first year Jordan worked with Tim Grover. Apparently Jordan boosted his vertical jump 10 inches with Grover's program, maybe his other athletic attributes (speed, quickness, body control, etc) also saw a boost?



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Post#55 » by Quotatious » Thu Mar 2, 2017 7:30 pm

juice4080 wrote:i wonder how known lebron stans like quotatious

LOL at me being a LeBron stan, if I in fact like Jordan more than LeBron (and I never said LeBron should be ranked over Michael either, so I have no idea what it's based on).

Just because I don't feel a need to prop MJ up in every comparison like JB does, doesn't mean I'm not a fan.
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Post#56 » by Dipper 13 » Thu Mar 2, 2017 7:34 pm

juice4080 wrote:this is absurd but i don't like to cherry pick certain sample and then be accused of having an agenda like people do...52% is still so far above anything i've ever seen ...i wonder how known lebron stans like quotatious colbinii trex_8063 misterhibachi pauliewall and slowpaced would try to spin this ....i'Ve seen them at one time or another try to make the claim that lebron was as clutch as mj :lol: :lol: :lol:


LeBron is a better clutch rebounder, assister, and 3 point shooter considering the volume. Same applies to Westbrook so far this regular season. However as an overall clutch scorer prime Jordan in the playoffs appears to be a major outlier in history.

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Post#57 » by juice4080 » Thu Mar 2, 2017 7:38 pm

Quotatious wrote:
juice4080 wrote:i wonder how known lebron stans like quotatious

LOL at me being a LeBron stan, if I in fact like Jordan more than LeBron (and I never said LeBron should be ranked over Michael either, so I have no idea what it's based on).

Just because I don't feel a need to prop MJ up in every comparison like JB does, doesn't mean I'm not a fan.


i don't get the vibe that you're a jordan stan at all (good thing) but i feel like you might be an undercover lebron one.....and i shouldn't not have lumped you in with them.. i can somehow sense objectivity and consistency in every one of your post
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Post#58 » by Colbinii » Thu Mar 2, 2017 8:05 pm

juice4080 wrote:
Dipper 13 wrote:
juice4080 wrote:
52% on clutch shots? this can't be true? he basically got more efficient in clutch situations while most players get worse?

this is mindboggling to read


Yes, also from 1990-92 in the playoffs (24 Games) he shot 62.2% on clutch shots, despite enormous volume.


this is absurd but i don't like to cherry pick certain sample and then be accused of having an agenda like people do...52% is still so far above anything i've ever seen ...i wonder how known lebron stans like quotatious colbinii trex_8063 misterhibachi pauliewall and slowpaced oh and don't forget juleswinnfield would try to spin this ....i'Ve seen them at one time or another try to make the claim that lebron was as clutch as mj :lol: :lol: :lol:


Go to NBA.com, find clutch stats, and look at LeBron in 09 and 10.

Although, the person who calculated those stats in 2009 and 2010 was a biased LeBron Homer!!

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post#59 » by juice4080 » Thu Mar 2, 2017 8:09 pm

Colbinii wrote:
juice4080 wrote:
Dipper 13 wrote:
Yes, also from 1990-92 in the playoffs (24 Games) he shot 62.2% on clutch shots, despite enormous volume.


this is absurd but i don't like to cherry pick certain sample and then be accused of having an agenda like people do...52% is still so far above anything i've ever seen ...i wonder how known lebron stans like quotatious colbinii trex_8063 misterhibachi pauliewall and slowpaced oh and don't forget juleswinnfield would try to spin this ....i'Ve seen them at one time or another try to make the claim that lebron was as clutch as mj :lol: :lol: :lol:


Go to NBA.com, find clutch stats, and look at LeBron in 09 and 10.

Although, the person who calculated those stats in 2009 and 2010 was a biased LeBron Homer!!

:lol: :lol: :lol:


why only 09-10 i already mentioned above how much disdain i have for people who use a specific sample size to fit their agenda first thing you know the usual suspect do just that
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Re: 1991-92 Michael Jordan Shot Chart 

Post#60 » by Goudelock » Thu Mar 2, 2017 9:55 pm

juice4080 wrote:
Dipper 13 wrote:
juice4080 wrote:
52% on clutch shots? this can't be true? he basically got more efficient in clutch situations while most players get worse?

this is mindboggling to read


Yes, also from 1990-92 in the playoffs (24 Games) he shot 62.2% on clutch shots, despite enormous volume.


this is absurd but i don't like to cherry pick certain sample and then be accused of having an agenda like people do...52% is still so far above anything i've ever seen ...i wonder how known lebron stans like quotatious colbinii trex_8063 misterhibachi pauliewall and slowpaced oh and don't forget juleswinnfield would try to spin this ....i'Ve seen them at one time or another try to make the claim that lebron was as clutch as mj :lol: :lol: :lol:


I'm pretty sure that Juleswinnfield has MJ as the GOAT. And the rest of them are about as unbiased as they get.
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