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Re: GT Charlotte vs Wiz Sat 7PM est 

Post#81 » by Braggins » Sun Mar 19, 2017 4:47 pm

OmegaAtrocity wrote:Getting upset when your team wins a game is completely ridiculous. Would I be upset if we lost? Absolutely not, that's what is best long term really. But that game was fun to watch, we got the win, and I'm happy about it. Why do you bother watching if you don't on some level want the team to win? Just stop following and check the draft position at the end of the season.

I still enjoy watching our players play, but wins at this point are effectively losses. Its not even really the win that bothers me, it is that the organization, or maybe just Clifford specifically, doesn't seem to currently understand whats in the best interest of the future of the franchise. Random wins can happen regardless, but Clifford approached this game from beginning to end as if it was in our best interest to win. All he had to do was throw out a developmental lineup in the 4th for a bit and we probably lose this game. He could have approached 40 mins of the game exactly the same as he always does (how he should in most situations outside of the current specific circumstances) and we still gain all the benefits of the experience of competing, but without hurting our draft position.
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Re: GT Charlotte vs Wiz Sat 7PM est 

Post#82 » by BigSlam » Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:14 pm

fatlever wrote:Never seen a player get the ball knocked out of their hands more than MKG. Happens all the time and been that way for years. What is the reason? Does he hold the ball too low? Not hold it tight? Moves too predictable? All 3?

Kwame Brown size hands?


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Post#83 » by yosemiteben » Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:59 pm

OmegaAtrocity wrote:Getting upset when your team wins a game is completely ridiculous. Would I be upset if we lost? Absolutely not, that's what is best long term really. But that game was fun to watch, we got the win, and I'm happy about it. Why do you bother watching if you don't on some level want the team to win? Just stop following and check the draft position at the end of the season.

Completely agree.
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Post#84 » by Eoghan » Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:12 pm

Terrible win. We need to see what we have in our rookie, Marco Belinelli, and give him a chance to develop.
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Post#85 » by Braggins » Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:33 pm

Eoghan wrote:Terrible win. We need to see what we have in our rookie, Marco Belinelli, and give him a chance to develop.

Hes fine tuning the nine man playoff rotation. I wish I was joking.
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Re: GT Charlotte vs Wiz Sat 7PM est 

Post#86 » by BigSlam » Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:29 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
OmegaAtrocity wrote:Getting upset when your team wins a game is completely ridiculous. Would I be upset if we lost? Absolutely not, that's what is best long term really. But that game was fun to watch, we got the win, and I'm happy about it. Why do you bother watching if you don't on some level want the team to win? Just stop following and check the draft position at the end of the season.

Completely agree.

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Always disgusted at the thought or suggestion of tanking.


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Post#87 » by 316Hornets » Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:23 pm

Tanking is crap when you go into a season with that as a plan. The Hornets tanking to finish out these last 13 games is not bad. There is strategy involved and winning games does not improve the team for the long term.

Not tanking would be the equivalent to playing playoff style basketball at the All-Star game. It just doesn't make sense from a progressive standpoint. Sure, you may make some fans happy for the short term, but what if one of the all-stars gets injured and out for the year? Then, you just lost a lot of people's happiness because you overplayed an exhibition game. And, really, that's all these games are when you are out of playoff contention as the Hornets almost assuredly are.

You guys against tanking will be the same ones not able to understand why Charlotte finishes as a 8-10th seed each season and gets obliterated in the first round if they even make it in.



And.. when I say tanking. That doesn't mean you go up to a player like Kemba and be like, "hey, clang a few shots off the rim and turn the ball over." That wouldn't be good sportsmanship or teach good fundamentals. Instead, you give more minutes to D-Leaguers like Weber, J.O.B, and Wood in order to better analyze their potential under real NBA game conditions. Maybe even try a few new ripples like MKG being more of a facilitator on offense. Now is the time to experiment and figure out what can improve the team for next season. It's not the time to get down in the mud and be stuck in your ways in order to somehow fight for a 9th seed finish. The fact that most of Charlotte's remaining games are against playoff teams makes this a perfect time to try out new combinations and players.
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Post#88 » by Eoghan » Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:03 pm

If every Charlotte fan wanted wins at all costs this team would be in Seattle by now.
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Re: GT Charlotte vs Wiz Sat 7PM est 

Post#89 » by amcoolio » Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:37 am

316Hornets wrote:Tanking is crap when you go into a season with that as a plan. The Hornets tanking to finish out these last 13 games is not bad. There is strategy involved and winning games does not improve the team for the long term.

Not tanking would be the equivalent to playing playoff style basketball at the All-Star game. It just doesn't make sense from a progressive standpoint. Sure, you may make some fans happy for the short term, but what if one of the all-stars gets injured and out for the year? Then, you just lost a lot of people's happiness because you overplayed an exhibition game. And, really, that's all these games are when you are out of playoff contention as the Hornets almost assuredly are.

You guys against tanking will be the same ones not able to understand why Charlotte finishes as a 8-10th seed each season and gets obliterated in the first round if they even make it in.



And.. when I say tanking. That doesn't mean you go up to a player like Kemba and be like, "hey, clang a few shots off the rim and turn the ball over." That wouldn't be good sportsmanship or teach good fundamentals. Instead, you give more minutes to D-Leaguers like Weber, J.O.B, and Wood in order to better analyze their potential under real NBA game conditions. Maybe even try a few new ripples like MKG being more of a facilitator on offense. Now is the time to experiment and figure out what can improve the team for next season. It's not the time to get down in the mud and be stuck in your ways in order to somehow fight for a 9th seed finish. The fact that most of Charlotte's remaining games are against playoff teams makes this a perfect time to try out new combinations and players.


I agree. No one is going to remember this win a year from now. Moral victories are dumb.

Glad the guys played hard but its more of a "loss" for the franchise at this point. Yeah! We beat the Wizards. At this point Clifford should conclude his point that if we run our guys into the ground we can get a close win and compete. Cool Clifford, congrats. Now lets build for next year and try new things like letting MKG bring up the ball and initiate the offense and give our young guys (Weber, JOB, Wood, Graham) a good 12-18 minutes off the bench to see what we have.

Of course, it'll never happened that way and we'll finish the season with 37 wins and another Cho/Clifford "We'll if it weren't for injuries.." post season interview. Disgusting.

We are just gonna have to hope to get a franchise player with the 12th pick in the draft. I mean what else can we do?
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Post#90 » by yosemiteben » Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:03 am

I am morally opposed to tanking in the way you guys want. GMs can keep the cupboard bare and I can understand the thought process there, but I will never buy into a coach telling his guys not to play to the best of their ability, and I will never be on board with a coach undermining that effort by his guys by trying to put a losing product on the floor.

You guys are acting like there is a significant difference between picking 9 and 12. There's not, except one requires you to force your team to adopt losing habits or to just not care to try to win. This talk about us never being able to be a good team both exaggerates the impact that losing the rest of our games would have and underestimates the strength of our current roster.
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Post#91 » by predators » Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:07 pm

yosemiteben wrote:I am morally opposed to tanking in the way you guys want. GMs can keep the cupboard bare and I can understand the thought process there, but I will never buy into a coach telling his guys not to play to the best of their ability, and I will never be on board with a coach undermining that effort by his guys by trying to put a losing product on the floor.

You guys are acting like there is a significant difference between picking 9 and 12. There's not, except one requires you to force your team to adopt losing habits or to just not care to try to win. This talk about us never being able to be a good team both exaggerates the impact that losing the rest of our games would have and underestimates the strength of our current roster.


This is how I feel. My only complaint is Lamb only getting 14 minutes but his +- was -7, so I guess giving him more minutes would be intentionally tanking. Frank\Kemba\MKG\Cody\ need to be playing heavy minutes so we can see what we have. I just can't be pissed when they win.
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Re: GT Charlotte vs Wiz Sat 7PM est 

Post#92 » by CatgutStitches » Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:57 pm

yosemiteben wrote:I am morally opposed to tanking in the way you guys want. GMs can keep the cupboard bare and I can understand the thought process there, but I will never buy into a coach telling his guys not to play to the best of their ability, and I will never be on board with a coach undermining that effort by his guys by trying to put a losing product on the floor.

You guys are acting like there is a significant difference between picking 9 and 12. There's not, except one requires you to force your team to adopt losing habits or to just not care to try to win. This talk about us never being able to be a good team both exaggerates the impact that losing the rest of our games would have and underestimates the strength of our current roster.


I think its very clear at this point we are wasting our virtual breath on this...Ive stopped trying.

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