Twenty Seconds Of The Insane Defense Tucker Puts On Players

[Rapcity_11]

So DD was like "Oh it's Stuckey so who cares if I get completely picked off"....no shot. He just got bailed out by the situation. DD gets obliterated by screens all the time. Stuckey also could have immediately attacked towards the rim, he was just focused on the set they were running for PG. Fighting through the screen wouldn't have been some labourous task. All it required was a slight lateral movement and some sense of anticipation. Let's not spin that into being acceptable.

So, not being ready in his defensive stance (sense of anticipation) and lack of lateral movement was the issue? Didn't I just state those are his main weaknesses on the defensive side of the ball?

Let's not "spin" my words into something that they weren't where you somehow make it out that I'm stating his effort to get through those screens is acceptable. I stated that specific possession (as a whole including him cutting off the driving lane on PG to help Tucker) is acceptable, not his defense overall for the game/season, not those specific screens, just that possession. Furthermore, if you haven't followed my posts here, I'm only criticizing the posters who are using this as an example of poor defense from DeMar when he did just fine (don't read into that as great, or good or anything else) when there are far worse offenses in the past 10 or so games that you could point to if you want to make an argument for DD's poor defense.

Ok cool. It's just semantics at this point.

[Harold_and_Kumar]

I won't name names but I had you guys calling me an idiot for saying Tucker would instantly be the best defender on our team. It is hilarious...

You guys were actually serious about it too.

I agree, I was very vocal about wanting PJ before we got him and no one seemed to agree.

Why PJ Tucker? Let me make a case.

1) Toughness and swagger. This is not something that can be completely quantified and so I understand that all the advanced staters will freak the f out with this, but it's essential to winning in the playoffs. Look at the impact Biz had last year. The more players like Lowry we can add that have mental, emotional and physical toughness, the better.

2) Defense. We would add another stud defensive wing defender. On a good team, I think it elevates PJ's game even more as he can just focus on being a glue guy and on his defensive matchup. Also, a guy that won't get blown by and will play effective team defense in rotations. Between PJ, Pat and Ibaka, you will be able to guard any type of frontcourt.

3) Shoots well enough from three not only not to be a liability, but he's passable at it. He shoots about 35% on threes over his career. Patterson has shot at 36% in his career thus far.

4) Speaking of Pat, PJ has similar stats and impact to Patrick Patterson. Look it up. Very comparable players. The only difference being that Tucker is undersized, but the way he plays makes up for it. Heck, he and Patterson rebound at very comparable rates as well.

5) With James Johnson leaving and left to rot when he was here anyways, we are in need of a physical wing defender. IF, and it's a big IF at this point we get to face the Cavs, we will need PJ to guard LeBron. He has the toughness and ability to do it well.

6) Motor. Guys that play with a motor and hustle can create the swarming type of defense we played at times last playoffs. A lineup of Lowry/Norm/PJ/PP/Ibaka has the potential to be an elite defensive unit when they're locked in. He can also hide Derozan better in the starting lineup by straight up guarding the other team's best wing.

7) He will instantly be a crowd favourite.

8) He gives you a look at how his player type fits into this starting lineup. If it works and he doesn't resign, we can always look for a PJ Tucker clone in free agency or in the draft.

9) Lastly, I'm not sure it'll take a first, it may be two second's and Sullinger or something like that which gets it done.

Suffice to say, I'm very, very high on PJ Tucker at the deadline. I think he's the perfect fit.

In lieu of that, I never re-post 'I told you so's' ... but I TOLD YOU SO!

[Sherlock]

his d on pg.... Reminds of a young joe Montana

Sent from my SM-G920W8 using RealGM mobile app

Do you mean Tony Montana?

Cuz dude was killing it out there...

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Hater.

Not to mention DeMar has to expend much more energy on offense than Tucker, and plays 10-12 more minutes a game.

PG, Kawhi, or Butler (similar positional players) don't seem to have problems getting stuck on screens continuously. They're also expected to play loads of minutes and produce lots of points. Why are you apologising for DeMar's weaknesses? why don't you just call it for what it is instead of playing the victim card every time reasonable posters like me or Boogie points it out.

Its funny tucker can call out his D, but if you do it on realgm you're being a loser/hater.

[Duffman100]

I won't name names but I had you guys calling me an idiot for saying Tucker would instantly be the best defender on our team. It is hilarious...

You guys were actually serious about it too.

I agree, I was very vocal about wanting PJ before we got him and no one seemed to agree.

Why PJ Tucker? Let me make a case.

1) Toughness and swagger. This is not something that can be completely quantified and so I understand that all the advanced staters will freak the f out with this, but it's essential to winning in the playoffs. Look at the impact Biz had last year. The more players like Lowry we can add that have mental, emotional and physical toughness, the better.

2) Defense. We would add another stud defensive wing defender. On a good team, I think it elevates PJ's game even more as he can just focus on being a glue guy and on his defensive matchup. Also, a guy that won't get blown by and will play effective team defense in rotations. Between PJ, Pat and Ibaka, you will be able to guard any type of frontcourt.

3) Shoots well enough from three not only not to be a liability, but he's passable at it. He shoots about 35% on threes over his career. Patterson has shot at 36% in his career thus far.

4) Speaking of Pat, PJ has similar stats and impact to Patrick Patterson. Look it up. Very comparable players. The only difference being that Tucker is undersized, but the way he plays makes up for it. Heck, he and Patterson rebound at very comparable rates as well.

5) With James Johnson leaving and left to rot when he was here anyways, we are in need of a physical wing defender. IF, and it's a big IF at this point we get to face the Cavs, we will need PJ to guard LeBron. He has the toughness and ability to do it well.

6) Motor. Guys that play with a motor and hustle can create the swarming type of defense we played at times last playoffs. A lineup of Lowry/Norm/PJ/PP/Ibaka has the potential to be an elite defensive unit when they're locked in. He can also hide Derozan better in the starting lineup by straight up guarding the other team's best wing.

7) He will instantly be a crowd favourite.

8) He gives you a look at how his player type fits into this starting lineup. If it works and he doesn't resign, we can always look for a PJ Tucker clone in free agency or in the draft.

9) Lastly, I'm not sure it'll take a first, it may be two second's and Sullinger or something like that which gets it done.

Suffice to say, I'm very, very high on PJ Tucker at the deadline. I think he's the perfect fit.

In lieu of that, I never re-post 'I told you so's' ... but I TOLD YOU SO!

Well I created a **** ing thread about it. SO I WIN.

[LRJ]

Anybody have his defensive stats since he's come to Toronto? Obviously, from the eye test he looks great, but it'd be nice to see just how big his defensive contribution is.

[Kabookalu]

I won't name names but I had you guys calling me an idiot for saying Tucker would instantly be the best defender on our team. It is hilarious...

You guys were actually serious about it too.

I agree, I was very vocal about wanting PJ before we got him and no one seemed to agree.

Why PJ Tucker? Let me make a case.

1) Toughness and swagger. This is not something that can be completely quantified and so I understand that all the advanced staters will freak the f out with this, but it's essential to winning in the playoffs. Look at the impact Biz had last year. The more players like Lowry we can add that have mental, emotional and physical toughness, the better.

2) Defense. We would add another stud defensive wing defender. On a good team, I think it elevates PJ's game even more as he can just focus on being a glue guy and on his defensive matchup. Also, a guy that won't get blown by and will play effective team defense in rotations. Between PJ, Pat and Ibaka, you will be able to guard any type of frontcourt.

3) Shoots well enough from three not only not to be a liability, but he's passable at it. He shoots about 35% on threes over his career. Patterson has shot at 36% in his career thus far.

4) Speaking of Pat, PJ has similar stats and impact to Patrick Patterson. Look it up. Very comparable players. The only difference being that Tucker is undersized, but the way he plays makes up for it. Heck, he and Patterson rebound at very comparable rates as well.

5) With James Johnson leaving and left to rot when he was here anyways, we are in need of a physical wing defender. IF, and it's a big IF at this point we get to face the Cavs, we will need PJ to guard LeBron. He has the toughness and ability to do it well.

6) Motor. Guys that play with a motor and hustle can create the swarming type of defense we played at times last playoffs. A lineup of Lowry/Norm/PJ/PP/Ibaka has the potential to be an elite defensive unit when they're locked in. He can also hide Derozan better in the starting lineup by straight up guarding the other team's best wing.

7) He will instantly be a crowd favourite.

8) He gives you a look at how his player type fits into this starting lineup. If it works and he doesn't resign, we can always look for a PJ Tucker clone in free agency or in the draft.

9) Lastly, I'm not sure it'll take a first, it may be two second's and Sullinger or something like that which gets it done.

Suffice to say, I'm very, very high on PJ Tucker at the deadline. I think he's the perfect fit.

In lieu of that, I never re-post 'I told you so's' ... but I TOLD YOU SO!

I wasn't so hot about acquiring Tucker at first, but only because I thought it'd take a significant asset just to get him. Can't believe all it took was freakin' Sullinger and the worst of our two first round picks.

[Rapcity_11]

I won't name names but I had you guys calling me an idiot for saying Tucker would instantly be the best defender on our team. It is hilarious...

You guys were actually serious about it too.

I agree, I was very vocal about wanting PJ before we got him and no one seemed to agree.

Why PJ Tucker? Let me make a case.

1) Toughness and swagger. This is not something that can be completely quantified and so I understand that all the advanced staters will freak the f out with this, but it's essential to winning in the playoffs. Look at the impact Biz had last year. The more players like Lowry we can add that have mental, emotional and physical toughness, the better.

2) Defense. We would add another stud defensive wing defender. On a good team, I think it elevates PJ's game even more as he can just focus on being a glue guy and on his defensive matchup. Also, a guy that won't get blown by and will play effective team defense in rotations. Between PJ, Pat and Ibaka, you will be able to guard any type of frontcourt.

3) Shoots well enough from three not only not to be a liability, but he's passable at it. He shoots about 35% on threes over his career. Patterson has shot at 36% in his career thus far.

4) Speaking of Pat, PJ has similar stats and impact to Patrick Patterson. Look it up. Very comparable players. The only difference being that Tucker is undersized, but the way he plays makes up for it. Heck, he and Patterson rebound at very comparable rates as well.

5) With James Johnson leaving and left to rot when he was here anyways, we are in need of a physical wing defender. IF, and it's a big IF at this point we get to face the Cavs, we will need PJ to guard LeBron. He has the toughness and ability to do it well.

6) Motor. Guys that play with a motor and hustle can create the swarming type of defense we played at times last playoffs. A lineup of Lowry/Norm/PJ/PP/Ibaka has the potential to be an elite defensive unit when they're locked in. He can also hide Derozan better in the starting lineup by straight up guarding the other team's best wing.

7) He will instantly be a crowd favourite.

8) He gives you a look at how his player type fits into this starting lineup. If it works and he doesn't resign, we can always look for a PJ Tucker clone in free agency or in the draft.

9) Lastly, I'm not sure it'll take a first, it may be two second's and Sullinger or something like that which gets it done.

Suffice to say, I'm very, very high on PJ Tucker at the deadline. I think he's the perfect fit.

In lieu of that, I never re-post 'I told you so's' ... but I TOLD YOU SO!

I wasn't so hot about acquiring Tucker at first, but only because I thought it'd take a significant asset just to get him. Can't believe all it took was freakin' Sullinger and the worst of our two first round picks.

That would have been an overpay. It took Sully + 2 seconds.

[Kabookalu]

Anybody have his defensive stats since he's come to Toronto? Obviously, from the eye test he looks great, but it'd be nice to see just how big his defensive contribution is.

Opponents are shooting 39.5% when Tucker is guarding them.

His defensive rating is 94.9 (!!!)

When he's not on the court the defensive rating is 110.1. His numbers are bonkers.

[Kabookalu]

I agree, I was very vocal about wanting PJ before we got him and no one seemed to agree.



In lieu of that, I never re-post 'I told you so's' ... but I TOLD YOU SO!

I wasn't so hot about acquiring Tucker at first, but only because I thought it'd take a significant asset just to get him. Can't believe all it took was freakin' Sullinger and the worst of our two first round picks.

That would have been an overpay. It took Sully + 2 seconds.

even better.

[LRJ]

Anybody have his defensive stats since he's come to Toronto? Obviously, from the eye test he looks great, but it'd be nice to see just how big his defensive contribution is.

Opponents are shooting 39.5% when Tucker is guarding them.

His defensive rating is 94.9 (!!!)

When he's not on the court the defensive rating is 110.1. His numbers are bonkers.

Crazy.

Thanks for the numbers!

[Mikistan]

Not to mention DeMar has to expend much more energy on offense than Tucker, and plays 10-12 more minutes a game.

PG, Kawhi, or Butler (similar positional players) don't seem to have problems getting stuck on screens continuously. They're also expected to play loads of minutes and produce lots of points. Why are you apologising for DeMar's weaknesses? why don't you just call it for what it is instead of playing the victim card every time reasonable posters like me or Boogie points it out.

Its funny tucker can call out his D, but if you do it on realgm you're being a loser/hater.

Don't you know?
You can't make a judgement call unless you are a professional with experience in the same industry.

That's why all the players in the league bad-talk coaches who have never played professional ball.

...
that or they just want to make sure they have a potential industry to go into (coaching) when their playing days end...

[Pooh_Jeter]

Tucker has been absolutely outstanding defensively and I'd love to keep him, but let's keep things in perspective.

He is going to be 32 this off-season and he has been pretty awful offensively. This isn't just a small sample size, his offensive numbers have been trending downwards since his career year in 2013-14.

His ability to play the 4 in small ball lineups helps, but you have to imagine his durability and abilty to sustain maximum effort is going to start taking a hit as he ages. I like the Ron Artest comparison someone made, but take a peak at his numbers post 32. They started taking a nosedive pretty quickly.

We have so many question marks going into the off-season he simply can't be high in our list of priorities.

[B00Yah]

How much money is PJ going to command in free agency?!

https://streamable.com/jvjtn

Awesome. He's so fast and light on his feet
Always watching his man. Aggressive but contained.

As someone who always took pride in my D I need to fap.

[Risk101]

Awesome. He's so fast and light on his feet
Always watching his man. Aggressive but contained.

As someone who always took pride in my D I need to fap.

[phillipmike]

Have to dump Val, Caroll and Joseph to make re-signing Lowry, Ibaka and Tucker. Making that swap makes a lot of sense.

2017 Commitments:
PG: ????/Wright/Vanvleet
SG: Derozan/Powell
SF: ??????/?????
PF: ?????/Siakam
C: ??????/Poeltl/Nogueria
Total: 39M
Luxury Tax: 122M
Left to Spend: 83M

Lowry should get 30M. Ibaka around 22M. Tucker around 15M at the most. Costing you 67M... Can afford to give Ibaka and Lowry slightly more too.

PG: Lowry/Wright/Vanvleet
SG: Derozan/Powell
SF: Tucker/?????
PF: Ibaka/Siakam
C: ??????/Poeltl/Nogueria
Total: 106M
Luxury Tax: 122M
Left to Spend: 16M

Leaving you 16M to find a starting centre and a backup SF or even potentially 10M if you need more money to keep Ibaka and Lowry. I think that would be very easy as players sign undermarket deals to play on good teams. Can re-sign Patterson too as we have his Bird Rights. Can go small with Ibaka at the 5. Would Amir Johnson sign cheap to come back? Pachulia? Olynyk? Bogut if healthy? Nene? That centre doesnt have to be that good. Just a good defensive presence and probably a 1A guy so it gives Poeltl minutes to grow as he will likely be glued to the bench in the 4th quarter like Val if you are rolling out Lowry/DD/Tucker/????/Ibaka.

Trading Jospeh shouldnt be hard considering player like him are making much more plus he is expiring. Val should still be a useful and young piece so you can trade him for maybe a cheaper player to fill centre or SF. The real problem would be moving Carroll. Masai will put his sweet talking to the test here. Might have to use his 1st to get someone to take him. It is possible to keep Lowry, Ibaka and Tucker just would take some work.

[SaveTheHens]

A year or two ago, and potentially even now, he's a defensive superstar. Kind of like Melo or Harden are offensive superstars, this guy can lock anyone up & changes the whole course of a game. 2 seconds??? Offence is way overrated in this league lol

[Yallbecrazy]

This guy going to make us contenders.