All Things 2017 Draft

[Gomes3PC]

These games have been fugly. College basketball is rough on the eyes.

Case in point, that last 30 seconds for West Virginia. An air ball, a near air ball and then failing to even get a shot off with 12 seconds on the clock.

That whole game was a travesty for the eyes, mainly due to the officiating.

[PierceFan4ever]

Josh Jackson...man

[return2glory]

15 points, 8 rebounds and 4 steals for Josh Jackson so far.

[return2glory]

Kansas was my favorite to take it all. Frank Mason is one of the best college players in the country. And we all know about Josh Jackson. Graham is also a really good player for them.

[rmal8852]

Frank MasonIII AND Devonte Graham 52 points for that backcourt! WOW

Mason, like Kennard at Duke, many times looked like the best player on the floor this year.

Kansas outscored Purdue something like 73-33 from later in the first half onward.

Juggernaut.

[peachbucket]

I went and listened to the Mannix podcast. Said IT wants vets not young guys. It's nothing against Fultz

That's nice...I want fat free bacon.

[ViperGTS]

I went and listened to the Mannix podcast. Said IT wants vets not young guys. It's nothing against Fultz

That's nice...I want fat free bacon.

Yup, sorry IT. What you want is irrelevant. There are no vets worth trading any assets for available.

[Writebloc]

I went and listened to the Mannix podcast. Said IT wants vets not young guys. It's nothing against Fultz

That's nice...I want fat free bacon.

Yup, sorry IT. What you want is irrelevant. There are no vets worth trading any assets for available.

Really?

Just because deals didn't get done at the deadline for Ainge I don't think that meant that there were no vets worth trading for? Heck, many on this board and around the NBA thought Boogie might be worth trading for, likely IT and obviously Ainge did not, but he was worth trading for. The can has already been kicked on Butler many times, after this disastrous finish by the Bulls the asking price is bound to come down for Jimmy. Of course there is always PG13 whom Bird is going to have to make a difficult decision on. Writing in absolutes about ambiguous assumptions, especially in the amorphous NBA is an easy way to look foolish. Danny will do what's right for the team whether that is to keep whatever pick the lottery gods give the Celtics or send it packing for a player of more immediate impact.

[ViperGTS]

That's nice...I want fat free bacon.

Yup, sorry IT. What you want is irrelevant. There are no vets worth trading any assets for available.

Really?

Just because deals didn't get done at the deadline for Ainge I don't think that meant that there were no vets worth trading for? Heck, many on this board and around the NBA thought Boogie might be worth trading for, likely IT and obviously Ainge did not, but he was worth trading for. The can has already been kicked on Butler many times, after this disastrous finish by the Bulls the asking price is bound to come down for Jimmy. Of course there is always PG13 whom Bird is going to have to make a difficult decision on. Writing in absolutes about ambiguous assumptions, especially in the amorphous NBA is an easy way to look foolish. Danny will do what's right for the team whether that is to keep whatever pick the lottery gods give the Celtics or send it packing for a player of more immediate impact.

This team needs a true point guard. They don't need another wing. The draft will give them that.

[Writebloc]

Yup, sorry IT. What you want is irrelevant. There are no vets worth trading any assets for available.

Really?

Just because deals didn't get done at the deadline for Ainge I don't think that meant that there were no vets worth trading for? Heck, many on this board and around the NBA thought Boogie might be worth trading for, likely IT and obviously Ainge did not, but he was worth trading for. The can has already been kicked on Butler many times, after this disastrous finish by the Bulls the asking price is bound to come down for Jimmy. Of course there is always PG13 whom Bird is going to have to make a difficult decision on. Writing in absolutes about ambiguous assumptions, especially in the amorphous NBA is an easy way to look foolish. Danny will do what's right for the team whether that is to keep whatever pick the lottery gods give the Celtics or send it packing for a player of more immediate impact.

This team needs a true point guard. They don't need another wing. The draft will give them that.

There are no true point guards left. Fultz isn't a true point guard? Ball is more of a true point guard but he is also a combo guard. If Brad wanted IT to distribute the ball more he would, the Celtics don't have enough superior shooters to do that. If you are talking size for defensive purposes there are plenty of questions regarding both Fultz and Ball in that arena. Fultz his heart, and Ball his foot speed, the assumption is that these rookies will step right in and be better than Thomas, unless they are special, special talents the players coming out of the draft aren't ready for those types of minutes. On top of all of that you are referring to the top two players in the draft, if the lottery porks the Celtics, like it traditionally has, then you are looking at another wing, although Taytum is possibly just a big. Unless you are referring to a Malik Monk, Fox, or Smith Jr. type and if so than measurables are negligible over IT. Aside from all of that, and Ainge has said this on multpile occasions what the Celtics need is another player who can break down a defense and put the ball in the basket. Fultz definitely fits that mold, the rest, we'll see. Ping pong balls, it all comes down to ping pong balls.

[reload141]

Ridiculous saying we need a PG. Come on man.
Trade for PG13
Add Hayward

=== Profit and the best shot at a championship

[FlatearthZorro]

Ridiculous saying we need a PG. Come on man.
Trade for PG13
Add Hayward

=== Profit and the best shot at a championship

Danny will not trade the #1 overall for George. Probably not #2. Who knows maybe if Hayward is a sure thing and George is willing to resign straight up. Scarry part is that Hayward has been much better than George last 2 years and no1 has noticed.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Ridiculous saying we need a PG. Come on man.
Trade for PG13
Add Hayward

=== Profit and the best shot at a championship

Not sure if true, TBH.

An IT/Hayward/PG/Horford core is worse in every way compared to Curry/Klay/KD/Dray. I think we're better off long term keeping Fultz/Ball/Jackson/Tatum and trying to grow organically.

[Writebloc]

Ridiculous saying we need a PG. Come on man.
Trade for PG13
Add Hayward

=== Profit and the best shot at a championship

Not sure if true, TBH.

An IT/Hayward/PG/Horford core is worse in every way compared to Curry/Klay/KD/Dray. I think we're better off long term keeping Fultz/Ball/Jackson/Tatum and trying to grow organically.

Save for the fact that it is going to be increasingly difficult to keep that core four of Curry/Klay/KD/Dray together, not to mention the bench pieces that surround those four are likely to be worse than what Ainge has accumulated to position around the Celtics. I'm not to be honest if Ainge could swing a deal for George and still pay Hayward max money? If they Wyc and ownership are willing to go way over the cap maybe, but that would be difficult. There will be salary implications in any of these scenarios that people ignore.

[jmr07019]

The Heat didn't win it all 4 years they had their big 3 and that team broke up much earlier than anyone expected. You can't be afraid to go for it

[greenroom31]

Update from yesterday's games re: the college prospects...

Xavier vs. Arizona
Markannen: 9 points on 3/9 shooting (1/6 from three), 8 rebounds, 0 assists and 1 steal in 40 minutes
Bluiett: 25 points on 9/17 shooting (3/8 from three), 2 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 steal in 35 minutes

Michigan vs. Oregon
Wilson: 12 points on 4/10 shooting (4/8 from three), 6 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 steals, 2 blocks in 27 minutes
Brooks: 12 points on 5/13 shooting (2/4 from three), 4 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 block in 36 minutes
Bell: 16 points on 7/10 shooting (0/0 from three), 13 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, 2 blocks in 32 minutes

Purdue vs. Kansas
Swanigan: 18 points on 6/11 shooting (3/4 from three), 7 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 steal (6 TOs) in 35 minutes
Mason: 26 points on 9/11 shooting (4/5 from three), 7 rebounds, 7 assists, 1 steal in 35 minutes
Graham: 26 points on 7/15 shooting (5/9 from three), 0 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 steal in 35 minutes
Jackson: 15 points on 6/13 shooting (2/5 from three), 12 rebounds, 2 assists, 4 steals, 1 block, 4 TOs in 36 minutes

[Gomes3PC]

Trevon Bluiett was always a guy I liked as a potential NBA backup SG, and he's really blowing up. Reminds me of Gary Harris. Deadeye shooter, good rebounder, smart defender, enough length to defend the bigger SGs in the NBA.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Ridiculous saying we need a PG. Come on man.
Trade for PG13
Add Hayward

=== Profit and the best shot at a championship

Not sure if true, TBH.

An IT/Hayward/PG/Horford core is worse in every way compared to Curry/Klay/KD/Dray. I think we're better off long term keeping Fultz/Ball/Jackson/Tatum and trying to grow organically.

Save for the fact that it is going to be increasingly difficult to keep that core four of Curry/Klay/KD/Dray together, not to mention the bench pieces that surround those four are likely to be worse than what Ainge has accumulated to position around the Celtics. I'm not to be honest if Ainge could swing a deal for George and still pay Hayward max money? If they Wyc and ownership are willing to go way over the cap maybe, but that would be difficult. There will be salary implications in any of these scenarios that people ignore.

It's easy to keep the core together, less easy to keep the auxiliary pieces. They'll be able to replace them on cheap money deals though.

I personally think our best bet is to draft and develop. I think it is the path that gives us the best shot at winning a title.

[SmartWentCrazy]

The Heat didn't win it all 4 years they had their big 3 and that team broke up much earlier than anyone expected. You can't be afraid to go for it

There's a reason the Spurs didn't trade Kawhi for a 30+ year old star in 2012. You don't sell your house to bet on a number in roulette.

[Gant]

I'm rooting for Butler tonight. In separate areas of the country Brad n' Gordon will see that final score and have to wipe away something from their eyes. Feelings.

Go Bulldog nostalgia!