2016-17 Rookie Watch thread

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Who will make the All Rookie 1st Team?

Brogdon
100
19%
Brown
25
5%
Chriss
43
8%
Embiid
94
18%
Ferrell
5
1%
WILLY Hernangomez
36
7%
Hield
64
12%
Ingram
14
3%
Murray
39
7%
Saric
106
20%
 
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Post#1221 » by cksdayoff » Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:01 am

been saying Buddy's a future star. he needed time to adjust to the NBA game
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Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#1222 » by cl2117 » Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:33 am

How is Hield's defense?

I've seen mostly offensive highlights, but when I've caught him playing live he seemed fine. I thought he looked a little small, but handled himself well. How has he looked in a larger sample size?
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Post#1223 » by perempe20 » Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:35 am

24istheLAW wrote:On another note - we all laughed at the Kings for drafting Papagiannis but his box scores look solid. Is he actually playing well?

wanted to ask the same.
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Post#1224 » by bwgood77 » Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:06 pm

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Post#1225 » by Kobblehead » Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:32 pm

12, 3 and 3 is good, but Saric is dropping 19, 7 and 3 while improving his advanced metrics down the March stretch. As good as Brogdon has been throughout the year, Saric came on like gangbusters and will probably be the runaway winner.
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Post#1226 » by skones » Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:39 pm

Kobblehead wrote:12, 3 and 3 is good, but Saric is dropping 19, 7 and 3 while improving his advanced metrics down the March stretch. As good as Brogdon has been throughout the year, Saric came on like gangbusters and will probably be the runaway winner.


I agree that Saric's recent stretch has been the most impressive of any rookie we've seen this season (Embiid removed). With that being said, Brogdon's total body of work is stronger (given the overall consistency in a big role on a better ball club). It'll be interesting to see how that shakes out in voting as more and more voters are becoming aware of analytics where Brogdon holds advantages in nearly all of those metrics.

In the end it'll probably be Saric but the ultimate voting split could signal a change down the line with regards to the award.
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Post#1227 » by Kobblehead » Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:42 pm

I'd prefer the advanced metric guy get rewarded with the award (Brogdon), but the counting stats guys almost always win the award. Has there ever been a RotY winner that never even won a Rookie of the Month during the season? I don't think Brogdon will get much consideration.
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Post#1228 » by skones » Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:58 pm

Kobblehead wrote:I'd prefer the advanced metric guy get rewarded with the award (Brogdon), but the counting stats guys almost always win the award. Has there ever been a RotY winner that never even won a Rookie of the Month during the season? I don't think Brogdon will get much consideration.


Doesn't seem like it on the Rookie of the Month front in quite some time, though we've got a pretty unique situation with Embiid. Brogdon's received enough praise in the media to get plenty of consideration at this point. He was widely considered the favorite once Embiid went down.
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Post#1229 » by magnumt » Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:55 am

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Give Willy minutes and he'll produce. He won't be a star in the league but I can see him as a solid starter on a contender.


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Post#1230 » by Sixerscan » Tue Mar 28, 2017 4:10 am

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Brogdon is on pace to join Larry Bird, Stephen Curry and Deron Williams as the only NBA rookies to average more than 40 percent shooting from 3-point range.


WTF lol. Who is editing this? Obviously many more people than that shot 40% from 3 as rookies.
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Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#1231 » by bwgood77 » Tue Mar 28, 2017 4:42 am

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bwgood77 wrote:
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Brogdon is on pace to join Larry Bird, Stephen Curry and Deron Williams as the only NBA rookies to average more than 40 percent shooting from 3-point range.


WTF lol. Who is editing this? Obviously many more people than that shot 40% from 3 as rookies.


That's very strange. I wonder how he even game up with that.
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Post#1232 » by Promezclan » Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:09 am

Sixerscan wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
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Brogdon is on pace to join Larry Bird, Stephen Curry and Deron Williams as the only NBA rookies to average more than 40 percent shooting from 3-point range.


WTF lol. Who is editing this? Obviously many more people than that shot 40% from 3 as rookies.

I've been SAYING he's the next Larry Bird or Damjan Rudez, good to get some confirmation.
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Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#1233 » by GabeCerebro » Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:03 am

skones wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:12, 3 and 3 is good, but Saric is dropping 19, 7 and 3 while improving his advanced metrics down the March stretch. As good as Brogdon has been throughout the year, Saric came on like gangbusters and will probably be the runaway winner.


I agree that Saric's recent stretch has been the most impressive of any rookie we've seen this season (Embiid removed). With that being said, Brogdon's total body of work is stronger (given the overall consistency in a big role on a better ball club). It'll be interesting to see how that shakes out in voting as more and more voters are becoming aware of analytics where Brogdon holds advantages in nearly all of those metrics.

In the end it'll probably be Saric but the ultimate voting split could signal a change down the line with regards to the award.


No. This is extremely inaccurate. The race isn't close at all, it's easily Saric. it's actually hilarious how the media has been trying to keep pushing this Brogdon agenda.
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Post#1234 » by antonac » Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:59 am

24istheLAW wrote:
On another note - we all laughed at the Kings for drafting Papagiannis but his box scores look solid. Is he actually playing well?


in fairness, we laughed because they had cousins, not because he was rubbish.

it does make you wonder if the Kings were so absolutely dead set on turfing Cousins that they were already gearing up to replace him in the off-season.
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Post#1235 » by CoreyGallagher » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:52 am

Promezclan wrote:I've been SAYING he's the next Larry Bird or Damjan Rudez, good to get some confirmation.

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Post#1236 » by skones » Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:00 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
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bwgood77 wrote:
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Brogdon is on pace to join Larry Bird, Stephen Curry and Deron Williams as the only NBA rookies to average more than 40 percent shooting from 3-point range.


WTF lol. Who is editing this? Obviously many more people than that shot 40% from 3 as rookies.


That's very strange. I wonder how he even game up with that.


Coupled with a number of players who outscored Brogdon as rookies prior to the ASB.
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Post#1237 » by skones » Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:04 pm

GabeCerebro wrote:
skones wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:12, 3 and 3 is good, but Saric is dropping 19, 7 and 3 while improving his advanced metrics down the March stretch. As good as Brogdon has been throughout the year, Saric came on like gangbusters and will probably be the runaway winner.


I agree that Saric's recent stretch has been the most impressive of any rookie we've seen this season (Embiid removed). With that being said, Brogdon's total body of work is stronger (given the overall consistency in a big role on a better ball club). It'll be interesting to see how that shakes out in voting as more and more voters are becoming aware of analytics where Brogdon holds advantages in nearly all of those metrics.

In the end it'll probably be Saric but the ultimate voting split could signal a change down the line with regards to the award.


No. This is extremely inaccurate. The race isn't close at all, it's easily Saric. it's actually hilarious how the media has been trying to keep pushing this Brogdon agenda.


It's really not. As I stated, Saric's recent stretch has been the most impressive save for Embiid, but Brogdon was flat out much better through the end of January. That's a pretty substantial portion of the season. I'd personally give it to Saric based on his late season explosion. He's been a monster.
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Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#1238 » by GabeCerebro » Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:02 pm

skones wrote:
GabeCerebro wrote:
skones wrote:
I agree that Saric's recent stretch has been the most impressive of any rookie we've seen this season (Embiid removed). With that being said, Brogdon's total body of work is stronger (given the overall consistency in a big role on a better ball club). It'll be interesting to see how that shakes out in voting as more and more voters are becoming aware of analytics where Brogdon holds advantages in nearly all of those metrics.

In the end it'll probably be Saric but the ultimate voting split could signal a change down the line with regards to the award.


No. This is extremely inaccurate. The race isn't close at all, it's easily Saric. it's actually hilarious how the media has been trying to keep pushing this Brogdon agenda.


It's really not. As I stated, Saric's recent stretch has been the most impressive save for Embiid, but Brogdon was flat out much better through the end of January. That's a pretty substantial portion of the season. I'd personally give it to Saric based on his late season explosion. He's been a monster.


It really doesn't matter what you stated, because you're being biased. Saric is nearly averaging 20-10-4 over the last like two months. It's not close. Regardless, it's Saric-Embiid-Brogdon in that order. The race isn't close.
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Post#1239 » by skones » Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:49 pm

GabeCerebro wrote:
skones wrote:
GabeCerebro wrote:
No. This is extremely inaccurate. The race isn't close at all, it's easily Saric. it's actually hilarious how the media has been trying to keep pushing this Brogdon agenda.


It's really not. As I stated, Saric's recent stretch has been the most impressive save for Embiid, but Brogdon was flat out much better through the end of January. That's a pretty substantial portion of the season. I'd personally give it to Saric based on his late season explosion. He's been a monster.


It really doesn't matter what you stated, because you're being biased. Saric is nearly averaging 20-10-4 over the last like two months. It's not close. Regardless, it's Saric-Embiid-Brogdon in that order. The race isn't close.


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Re: 2016-17 Rookie Watch thread 

Post#1240 » by SkyHookFTW » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:26 pm

I don't see how Saric doesn't win this.
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