2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread Volume 2

[joyeuxnoel]

DX just updated their mock. Has us at 7th with us taking Dennis Smith. Honestly, if what I'm seeing are the only options at 7, I'd consider shopping the pick, or take Jonathan Isaac/ OG Anunoby.

The DX mock has the Kings at 5 and 9, which means 9 must be the Pelicans pick. So the Sixers wouldn't be at 7, they'd swap with SAC and be at 5. Someone needs to tell DX to fix that lol

Great catch sir. Yeah, someone needs to tell J.Givony to get it together. BTW....I will be amazed if Dennis Smith lasts til 7. I think he will surprise a lot of people here just how much league GM's will like his game.

Dennis Smith has the most star potential in this draft imo

[TheAntiTrump]

The DX mock has the Kings at 5 and 9, which means 9 must be the Pelicans pick. So the Sixers wouldn't be at 7, they'd swap with SAC and be at 5. Someone needs to tell DX to fix that lol

Great catch sir. Yeah, someone needs to tell J.Givony to get it together. BTW....I will be amazed if Dennis Smith lasts til 7. I think he will surprise a lot of people here just how much league GM's will like his game.

I like him. I don't know about the most though. I have watched Fultz all year. And as much as he is guarded...he is amazing. They say he is just strictly a combo Guard..which he can play. But Fultz has clear PG abilities. And even more then Smith, or Fox...Fultz has a killer first step. No one can defend it. I mean no one.
Dennis Smith has the most star potential in this draft imo

[Sasashi]

Lets just hope sixers get top 6 pick

[PhilasFinest]

Fultz
Tatum
Jackson
Ball
Smith
Monk
Fox
Issac

Give me at least 1 of those 8 kids on the Sixers and I'm happy. Sure there are some I prefer more then others, but I think you insert any of them into our system/program and we are a better team. Each player fills some type of void that we have, and honestly in 5 years...I wouldn't be surprised if any of them became one of the 2 best players in the draft class.

[cksdayoff]

I kinda want fultz bad. he's also a huge fan of simmons, think they could work well together

[TheAntiTrump]

Fultz
Tatum
Jackson
Ball
Smith
Monk
Fox
Issac

Give me at least 1 of those 8 kids on the Sixers and I'm happy. Sure there are some I prefer more then others, but I think you insert any of them into our system/program and we are a better team. Each player fills some type of void that we have, and honestly in 5 years...I wouldn't be surprised if any of them became one of the 2 best players in the draft class.

You wouldn't add " Frank Ntilikina " to that list ? I mean really based on all Physical traits, and B-Ball IQ....I have heard Ntilikina may be the best of all the Guards in this draft. He definitely is the youngest. And no matter what you or I may feel about it...he has experience in a better and higher league. He may need a solid year to fully fill out. But his Height, ridiculous length/arm reach. His quickness/Athleticism and his true wantingness to pass the ball and play defense....you can't say you would not be happy if we got him, can you ?

[Kobblehead]

I kinda want fultz bad. he's also a huge fan of simmons, think they could work well together

Were they friends before that and Fultz was just geeking out in a joking manner? Because seeing a player fanboy over a contemporary around his same age seems odd, lol.

[cksdayoff]

I kinda want fultz bad. he's also a huge fan of simmons, think they could work well together

Were they friends before that and Fultz was just geeking out in a joking manner? Because seeing a player fanboy over a contemporary around his same age seems odd, lol.

At first I assumed they were friends but i couldnt find anything on their friendship which leads me to believe fultz is a just a big fanboy and just trolling his insta

[smittybanton]

Adam Silver's 2017 NBA Mock Draft

Adam "the meddler" Silver would draft for teams if he could. And this would be the result in June:

Boston - Markelle Fultz (to Sixers for Jonathan Isaac and Jahlil Okafor) - What do you do with Fultz, Ball or Jackson, when you already have Isaiah Thomas, Avery Bradley, Marcus Smart, Terry Rozier, Jae Crowder and Jaylen Brown? Trade.

Los Angeles Lakers - Lonzo Ball - Russell is shooting guard. Clarkson is a bench-sparker. They need Lonzo Ball to get them going in the right direction, literally and figuratively.

Phoenix Suns - Josh Jackson - Couldn't be a better fit. With Devin Booker at the two, they need a stalwart defender with attitude at the other wing position.

New York Knicks - Dennis Smith Jr. - He's got NYC game. Knicks once had Baron Davis. They get version II.

Orlando Magic - Jayson Tatum - Terrence Ross should come off the bench. Tatum, they hope, will be the more natural three.

Philadelphia Seventy Sixers - Jonathan Isaac (with Jahlil Okafor to Celtics for Markelle Fultz) - Boston and Phoenix would be trade targets. However, Isaac has a place on the Sixers, especially if you consider Ben Simmons a point guard and you use some of that $50M in cap space on a shooting guard (or two). Isaac's not ready to bang right away. You put him right behind Dario so he can come along at his own pace. You also consider Miles Bridges here, since you have to make a decision on paying Covington next summer.

Sacramento Kings - DeAaron Fox - He needs them as much as they need him. With fellow Wildcats Labissiere and Cauley Stein, along with Buddy Hield, this team wants to run. With Fox, they're on the loose.

Minnesota Timberwolves - Lauri Markkanen - Although defense is their more pressing issue, Markkanen's shooting is such a sweet compliment to Towns and Deng. I don't think you can pass it up when you pretty much have the other positions covered.

New Orleans Pelicans - Miles Bridges - Should be an immediate upgrade over Solomon Hill.

Charlotte Hornets - TJ Leaf - When Marvin Williams is your starting four, you need to draft a four. I really like Leaf. Plays with funk.

Dallas Mavericks - Frank Ntilikina - Seth Curry and Yogi Ferrel are doing an admirable job. Ntilikina can add something to the group, then hopefully takeover.

Detroit Pistons - Malik Monk - Very much need a spark off the bench with starter potential, in case they continue to be dissatisfied with Reggie Jackson.

Chicago Bulls - [b]Bam Adebayo[/b] - Need a five that can defend fives. Otherwise, they'll have to pay Cristiano Felicio big money.

Portland Trailblazers - Semi Ojeleye - End the Noah Vonleh-Meyers Leonard experiment.

There is no GM in this league (much less Danny Ainge) dumb enough to trade the #1 pick in this draft for Jahlil Okafor and the #6 pick I don't know why you keep posting this idea. Nothing but pure fantasy.

TJ Leaf anywhere near the lottery, the GM of the team should be fired on the spot. Tyler Lydon is a better version of TJ Leaf... and he's better than Markkenen too.

My fault. I'll espouse the truth like you guys. LMAO. Get a hold of yourselves. Tyler Lydon?????

[PhilasFinest]

Fultz
Tatum
Jackson
Ball
Smith
Monk
Fox
Issac

Give me at least 1 of those 8 kids on the Sixers and I'm happy. Sure there are some I prefer more then others, but I think you insert any of them into our system/program and we are a better team. Each player fills some type of void that we have, and honestly in 5 years...I wouldn't be surprised if any of them became one of the 2 best players in the draft class.

You wouldn't add " Frank Ntilikina " to that list ? I mean really based on all Physical traits, and B-Ball IQ....I have heard Ntilikina may be the best of all the Guards in this draft. He definitely is the youngest. And no matter what you or I may feel about it...he has experience in a better and higher league. He may need a solid year to fully fill out. But his Height, ridiculous length/arm reach. His quickness/Athleticism and his true wantingness to pass the ball and play defense....you can't say you would not be happy if we got him, can you ?

No I would not add him to the list, as I'm not sold on him at all. Id probably take Donovan Mitchell over Ntilikina.

[kriss73]

Fultz
Tatum
Jackson
Ball
Smith
Monk
Fox
Issac

Give me at least 1 of those 8 kids on the Sixers and I'm happy. Sure there are some I prefer more then others, but I think you insert any of them into our system/program and we are a better team. Each player fills some type of void that we have, and honestly in 5 years...I wouldn't be surprised if any of them became one of the 2 best players in the draft class.

You wouldn't add " Frank Ntilikina " to that list ? I mean really based on all Physical traits, and B-Ball IQ....I have heard Ntilikina may be the best of all the Guards in this draft. He definitely is the youngest. And no matter what you or I may feel about it...he has experience in a better and higher league. He may need a solid year to fully fill out. But his Height, ridiculous length/arm reach. His quickness/Athleticism and his true wantingness to pass the ball and play defense....you can't say you would not be happy if we got him, can you ?

No I would not add him to the list, as I'm not sold on him at all. Id probably take Donovan Mitchell over Ntilikina.

I love Mitchell, but I have Ntilikina way higher on my list.
Age, measurements and potential tools/skills.
Mitchell improved a lot this year but he is 2 full years older than Frank.
Don't discount a young guy only because he didn't play in NCAA

[PhilasFinest]

You wouldn't add " Frank Ntilikina " to that list ? I mean really based on all Physical traits, and B-Ball IQ....I have heard Ntilikina may be the best of all the Guards in this draft. He definitely is the youngest. And no matter what you or I may feel about it...he has experience in a better and higher league. He may need a solid year to fully fill out. But his Height, ridiculous length/arm reach. His quickness/Athleticism and his true wantingness to pass the ball and play defense....you can't say you would not be happy if we got him, can you ?

No I would not add him to the list, as I'm not sold on him at all. Id probably take Donovan Mitchell over Ntilikina.

I love Mitchell, but I have Ntilikina way higher on my list.
Age, measurements and potential tools/skills.
Mitchell improved a lot this year but he is 2 full years older than Frank.
Don't discount a young guy only because he didn't play in NCAA

Im not knocking Ntilikina because he didn't play in the NCAA....Im just not high on him from what I've seen/watched.

He doesn't seem to be an explosive/quick twitch athlete, His shot seems streaky, His distributing/passing doesn't jump off the charts, he doesn't seem all that quick and his handle does not look to be all that impressive either.

Obviously, I can see why some would be intrigued with him. The size/length/age certainly gives you a set of tools to work with and develop, I simply do not see a player worthy of a top 10 pick. I think he's a project and is way too much "Dante Exum" like to me.

[kriss73]

No I would not add him to the list, as I'm not sold on him at all. Id probably take Donovan Mitchell over Ntilikina.

I love Mitchell, but I have Ntilikina way higher on my list.
Age, measurements and potential tools/skills.
Mitchell improved a lot this year but he is 2 full years older than Frank.
Don't discount a young guy only because he didn't play in NCAA

Im not knocking Ntilikina because he didn't play in the NCAA....Im just not high on him from what I've seen/watched.

He doesn't seem to be an explosive/quick twitch athlete, His shot seems streaky, His distributing/passing doesn't jump off the charts, he doesn't seem all that quick and his handle does not look to be all that impressive either.

Obviously, I can see why some would be intrigued with him. The size/length/age certainly gives you a set of tools to work with and develop, I simply do not see a player worthy of a top 10 pick. I think he's a project and is way too much "Dante Exum" like to me.

Fine.
He's for sure a project and his trajectory could be Porz-like or Exum-like.
It will depend on health and intangibiles (blue collar etc.).
But imho in the lottery you have to draft for potential.
I repeat: i like Mitchell even if he's a little bit undersized as SG.
But I'd draft him around 17-23 not around 5-8.
I'd take the risk on Ntilikina in that range, even if i know that It could be a failure.

[PhilasFinest]

I love Mitchell, but I have Ntilikina way higher on my list.
Age, measurements and potential tools/skills.
Mitchell improved a lot this year but he is 2 full years older than Frank.
Don't discount a young guy only because he didn't play in NCAA

Im not knocking Ntilikina because he didn't play in the NCAA....Im just not high on him from what I've seen/watched.

He doesn't seem to be an explosive/quick twitch athlete, His shot seems streaky, His distributing/passing doesn't jump off the charts, he doesn't seem all that quick and his handle does not look to be all that impressive either.

Obviously, I can see why some would be intrigued with him. The size/length/age certainly gives you a set of tools to work with and develop, I simply do not see a player worthy of a top 10 pick. I think he's a project and is way too much "Dante Exum" like to me.

Fine.
He's for sure a project and his trajectory could be Porz-like or Exum-like.
It will depend on health and intangibiles (blue collar etc.).
But imho in the lottery you have to draft for potential.
I repeat: i like Mitchell even if he's a little bit undersized as SG.
But I'd draft him around 17-23 not around 5-8.
I'd take the risk on Ntilikina in that range, even if i know that It could be a failure.

I would likely not draft Mitchell in the 5-8 range either, but I mentioned him because I would still take him over Ntilikina. Both would be in the mix for me in the 9-14 range.

Porzingis was a freak of a prospect. Sure he was somewhat of a mystery, but when you watched him play...you saw some of "IT". He was a long, athletic 7'3" kid who moved with fluidity....he displayed shot blocking ability and rebounding, shooting from the perimeter (which is unique form bigs) and finishing ability around the rim. Some of that opens your eyes.

When I watch Ntilikina play (which is very limited), nothing ever really jumps out at me outside of his physical measurements if he is being sold as a PG (mainly the length). As a SG, its less of a eye opener. Think he is more of a combo guard, and in that light he's less impressive to me.

Im not totally against the kid, and do see some of the reasons people may be intrigued with his upside....I personally am just a bit skeptical of his game and would not touch him over any of the 8 names I had listed.

[JojoSlimbiid]

I watched a Brett Brown video as he talks about this draft and what he's looking for and yeah....people need to start preparing themselves for Malik Monk.

[phiphan]

I watched a Brett Brown video as he talks about this draft and what he's looking for and yeah....people need to start preparing themselves for Malik Monk.

Yep. And forget about Jackson and Ball.

[ProcessDoctor]

I'm totally fine with Monk anywhere between picks 6-8. Basically, he can't be taken with the LAL pick if it conveys, and can't be taken with our pick if we jump into the top 3. Something like Tatum at 4/5 and Monk at 6/7 would be fun IMO.

Monk/TJ/Bayless
Tatum/TLC/Stauskas
Covington/Anderson
Simmons/Saric/Long
Embiid/Holmes/Okafor

[GabeCerebro]

I watched a Brett Brown video as he talks about this draft and what he's looking for and yeah....people need to start preparing themselves for Malik Monk.

Link please

[LloydFree]

No I would not add him to the list, as I'm not sold on him at all. Id probably take Donovan Mitchell over Ntilikina.

I love Mitchell, but I have Ntilikina way higher on my list.
Age, measurements and potential tools/skills.
Mitchell improved a lot this year but he is 2 full years older than Frank.
Don't discount a young guy only because he didn't play in NCAA

Im not knocking Ntilikina because he didn't play in the NCAA....Im just not high on him from what I've seen/watched.

He doesn't seem to be an explosive/quick twitch athlete, His shot seems streaky, His distributing/passing doesn't jump off the charts, he doesn't seem all that quick and his handle does not look to be all that impressive either.

Obviously, I can see why some would be intrigued with him. The size/length/age certainly gives you a set of tools to work with and develop, I simply do not see a player worthy of a top 10 pick. I think he's a project and is way too much "Dante Exum" like to me.

He is a slow SG, being packaged as a big PG, in order to get drafted higher. He has all of the same red flags as Exum but isnt as good as Exum because he isn't nearly as fast or quick. He's not quick enough and doesn't have the handle to be considered a high level NBA PG prospect. I hope the 76ers aren't the team in the lottery that falls for this nonsense.

[cksdayoff]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19024163/lonzo-ball-says-better-fellow-nba-draft-prospect-markelle-fultz