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Post#1181 » by Han Solo » Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:33 pm

Pharaoh wrote:The difference with Kobe then and Booker now is Kobe rode his team mates 24/7 because they weren't driven like him and even guys who did heaps of extras copped it from him.

The league is different now - the entire Suns bench was jumping up and down and excited for Booker to get as many points as possible.

Is it a meaningless accomplishment? Yeah, but their season was over before it began so why not enjoy nights like that from a guy you're obviously gonna build around

Let's say SJ was in Phoenix...his numbers would be so much better and he would be further along in his development - not because Phoenix develops better guys but simply because he'd have a consistent role with consistent minutes

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I don't agree with that. Stanley has shown nothing to expect big numbers from him.
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Post#1182 » by Pharaoh » Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:51 am

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Pharaoh wrote:The difference with Kobe then and Booker now is Kobe rode his team mates 24/7 because they weren't driven like him and even guys who did heaps of extras copped it from him.

The league is different now - the entire Suns bench was jumping up and down and excited for Booker to get as many points as possible.

Is it a meaningless accomplishment? Yeah, but their season was over before it began so why not enjoy nights like that from a guy you're obviously gonna build around

Let's say SJ was in Phoenix...his numbers would be so much better and he would be further along in his development - not because Phoenix develops better guys but simply because he'd have a consistent role with consistent minutes

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I don't agree with that. Stanley has shown nothing to expect big numbers from him.


Who said big numbers? I said much better numbers.

Surely you're not gonna argue that IF SJ was given a consistent 30 minutes every night for a season & a half he would put up worse numbers than he does now?

Putting up big numbers doesn't mean much if you lose most games - we all know that.

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Post#1183 » by sc8581 » Tue Mar 28, 2017 3:29 pm

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Pharaoh wrote:The difference with Kobe then and Booker now is Kobe rode his team mates 24/7 because they weren't driven like him and even guys who did heaps of extras copped it from him.

The league is different now - the entire Suns bench was jumping up and down and excited for Booker to get as many points as possible.

Is it a meaningless accomplishment? Yeah, but their season was over before it began so why not enjoy nights like that from a guy you're obviously gonna build around

Let's say SJ was in Phoenix...his numbers would be so much better and he would be further along in his development - not because Phoenix develops better guys but simply because he'd have a consistent role with consistent minutes

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I don't agree with that. Stanley has shown nothing to expect big numbers from him.


Who said big numbers? I said much better numbers.

Surely you're not gonna argue that IF SJ was given a consistent 30 minutes every night for a season & a half he would put up worse numbers than he does now?

Putting up big numbers doesn't mean much if you lose most games - we all know that.

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If Stanley played 30mpg this year I think he would have averaged around 10ppg 5rpg 3.5apg on horrible efficiency.
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Post#1184 » by Alexander » Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:35 pm

Rodney Stuckey going to be waived by Pacers. He's only 30.
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Post#1185 » by In SVG We Trust » Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:38 pm

We're exactly the opposite to Midas King, everything we touch, it turns into s**t.
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Post#1186 » by DBC10 » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:38 pm

In SVG We Trust wrote:We're exactly the opposite to Midas King, everything we touch, it turns into s**t.


It's true, we suck at developing talent (Afflalo, Amir, Khris Midd) and a lot of free agents we sign somehow busts. I think Jodie Meeks career basically died here.
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Post#1187 » by coordinator0 » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:47 pm

DBC10 wrote:It's true, we suck at developing talent (Afflalo, Amir, Khris Midd) and a lot of free agents we sign somehow busts. I think Jodie Meeks career basically died here.


Ben Gordon's certainly did. At least after he got hurt in his first season with the Pistons.
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Post#1188 » by Alexander » Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:57 am

Iverson, Gordon, Villanueva, Josh Smith, Meeks...
Their stint with the Pistons wasn't the nail in the coffin, but the gunshot that caused them to slowly bleed out onto other teams.
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Post#1189 » by Snakebites » Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:56 am

The free agency busts aren't signs that we suck at developing talent. Their signs that we suck at attracting free agents and signing appropriate deals.

Meeks barely had a career to die, and injuries played a role there. Gordon, Villanueva, and Smith were all deeply flawed players in the wrong situation to with us to begin with.
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Post#1190 » by Alexander » Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:45 am

For what it's worth, Russ is my MVP.
I will accept him splitting it with Harden, but shoot, I've never imagined anybody could realistically do what Westbrook has done. I forgive his FG%, I forgive his usage rate, I forgive how the entire team boxes out so he can snag uncontested rebounds, I forgive that he actually has some talent on his roster...I forgive it all because he's a force of nature out there unlike anything I've ever seen at the PG position. You know what's coming, you know what their system is, there's such a large body of work and evidence...yet he still drops 30/10/10 on his way to a playoff berth, with intensity and tenacity and effort and all the other synonyms you can think of.
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Post#1191 » by In SVG We Trust » Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:17 am

He's, by far, my MVP too. Harden is doing a hell of season too, but his roster is way more talented than OKC. The way Westbrook is scoring with that poor spacing did it even more impressive.

I agree with the uncontested rebounds, but it's part of their offense too. If Russ grab the rebound, he can run the fast break immediately.

I really believe he's the best player in the game right now, aside from Playoffs' LeBron.
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Post#1192 » by Pharaoh » Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:56 am

In SVG We Trust wrote:He's, by far, my MVP too. Harden is doing a hell of season too, but his roster is way more talented than OKC. The way Westbrook is scoring with that poor spacing did it even more impressive.

I agree with the uncontested rebounds, but it's part of their offense too. If Russ grab the rebound, he can run the fast break immediately.

I really believe he's the best player in the game right now, aside from Playoffs' LeBron.

Agree with that

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Post#1193 » by jakebernat » Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:08 pm

Indiana seems to be getting pretty desperate to make PG13 happy, maybe we could pry Turner from them so he can play buddy ball with Reggie and Dre? I dream...
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Post#1194 » by El Chivo » Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:08 pm

In SVG We Trust wrote:Harden is doing a hell of season too, but his roster is way more talented than OKC.


to me it's not true.
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Post#1195 » by In SVG We Trust » Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:48 pm

El Chivo wrote:
In SVG We Trust wrote:Harden is doing a hell of season too, but his roster is way more talented than OKC.


to me it's not true.

Yeah but that's just for you man.
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Re: Around the League 

Post#1196 » by Snakebites » Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:15 pm

jakebernat wrote:Indiana seems to be getting pretty desperate to make PG13 happy, maybe we could pry Turner from them so he can play buddy ball with Reggie and Dre? I dream...

How would dealing Turner for anything we have make PG happy?
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Post#1197 » by El Chivo » Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:58 pm

In SVG We Trust wrote:
El Chivo wrote:
In SVG We Trust wrote:Harden is doing a hell of season too, but his roster is way more talented than OKC.


to me it's not true.

Yeah but that's just for you man.


Adams and Gibson are two huge supporting teammates. Oladipo is good.

Harden has huge backcourt scorer with him, some veterans and Capela at center.

I don't see the overall difference that can justify such a different record.
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Post#1198 » by In SVG We Trust » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:38 pm

El Chivo wrote:
In SVG We Trust wrote:
El Chivo wrote:
to me it's not true.

Yeah but that's just for you man.


Adams and Gibson are two huge supporting teammates. Oladipo is good.

Harden has huge backcourt scorer with him, some veterans and Capela at center.

I don't see the overall difference that can justify such a different record.

Ok, let's start then:

Count Gibson who hasn't played even 20 games it's like count Lou Williams, and I really like Gibson even if Lou is a clear 6th man of the year candidate, because Taj gives so much in term of defense, character and intangibles. So let's not count them or atleast put a draw here.

Adams is clearly better than Capela, that's a fair point.
Beverley and Roberson are elite defenders, but Beverley is so much better on offense.
Eric Gordon is better than Oladipo. He's being a phenomenal shooter who adjust to the system to emphasize Harden strenghs, but he's very capable to run a pick n roll and can save a difficult possession by his own.
Ryno is clearly so much better than Sabonis. An elite offensive skill bigman who can produce from the high post, finish with post moves or spread the floor.
Ariza is so much better than Abrines too, there's no discussion here. Dekker is better than Morrow or Singler or McDermott. And count Nene and Harrell, they have a great and very versatile big man rotation.

So people who puts Rockets behind OKC at the beginning of the season were people who were concerned about a lot of injuries. Even if OKC have better guys to be a defensive team, they really lack spacing, and there's a clear evidence you can't win, or atleast be elite, without some couple elite shooters surrounding your team.

So yeah, it's pretty clear Rockets are a better team by far, specially nowadays. They're being so lucky having key players who are injury prone and they've been healthy, above all if you look those players past seasons.
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Post#1199 » by El Chivo » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:59 pm

Did you mention Kanter?
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Re: Around the League 

Post#1200 » by jakebernat » Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:46 pm

Snakebites wrote:
jakebernat wrote:Indiana seems to be getting pretty desperate to make PG13 happy, maybe we could pry Turner from them so he can play buddy ball with Reggie and Dre? I dream...

How would dealing Turner for anything we have make PG happy?


Same way signing a broken down Stephenson makes him happy...it doesn't lol but like I said, they seem desperate, and George is supposedly tight with both Reggie and Dre.

I'm not even saying this is in the realm of possibilities, I'm just sharing a pipe dream of mine

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