GT: Orlando Magic @ The Nets - Saturday, 04/01/17 6:00pm

[Jagger-meister]

How do you figure, unless you're projecting Lin to miss most of the year again? We're much better than a 20-win team this year. We just lost our 1st/2nd string PGs and have had a rookie coach experimenting for most of the year. If Lin/Vasquez were healthy, we probably would have won at least 30+ this year, despite mediocre coaching and a revolving door of players/development.

Next year, there will be far more consistency, team chemistry, and better coaching. We have a young team so you also have to factor in natural development.

Without even getting into free agent outcomes, I think the team can flirt with .500. If we're able to add a few modest upgrades, potential for more.

Here it goes again. This is the same dumb rational that occured when people were predicting 40 wins this season. Yes we are going to have injuries just about every year. We don't have depth at any position so it will cause the team to lose. Our entire roster is devoid of talent. This was never going to be a 30 win team.

As history has shown us, if lopez is the teams best player again the win total is capped at 28 and can be as low as 12.

History has also shown us that Lin is nothinges more then a below average starter or a decent backup. He's consistently been a .5-.6 on VORP (Value over Replacement Player)

Do you think we are winning legitimately right now? Let's look at our recent victories.

Orlando is a tanking team currently slated for the 4th pick. Their fans are coming here to thank us for the loss.

Atlanta was missing 3 starters.

Phoenix shut down all of their vets and started the youngest lineup in the history of the NBA. It was younger then 7 of the Elite 8 starting lineups. Phoenix is slated to pick 3rd.

Detroit was a legit win vs a middling playoff team.

NY shut down Porzingas for our game and are currently slated for the 5th pick.

I can keep going but it doesn't take much to realize we have had alot of fugazee wins to fluff our record. This is a 14-18 win roster and unless we are signing top level talent we aren't going to be much better next year. I feel like people expecting more don't understand basketball. Getting to 30 wins would be a major accomplishment next season.

Never in my LIFE did I think I'd agree with Rainy. Jagger you are 100% wrong.

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Please tell me how I'm wrong then. Unless we get multiple good players we are going to suck again. We literally built the team around backups, cast offs, low round picks and D-Leaguers. People got bent out of shape when we were projected to be the worst team in the NBA by major prognosticators yet that's exactly where we are. That's not being negative, that's being objective. Brook and RHJ are the only players on the team who finished the previous season as an NBA starter and RHJ barely played. Lin was a backup SG in Charlotte and Booker was in and out of the Jazz rotation. Would Levert be starting on any playoff level team?

I can post the stats supporting my point but people ignore the facts. Look at the players VORP and you will see a team full of replaceable guys.

[Roy Tarpley]

Now it's politically incorrect because some people can accept their hero isn't that good.

Jeremy Lin does at times have a cultish following, but you can't deny his positive impact on the team (which is certainly due in part to the other PG options being replacement level), and, most importantly, you should realize you are taking the opposite extreme. As a general rule, don't combat (perceived) extremism with extremism.

I feel in your mind you are coming off as a brave hero taking a noble stand against a horde of Lin invaders. In reality, you come across like this:

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especially when this stems from such an insane comment like "no way we win without lin" after an ugly 3-14 clunker with some poor live ball turnovers in key spots and some misses down the stretch.

Issue is most long time regular dont post anymore because anytime you critcize lin even a little or dont parade him as the hero everynight his clan of fans come in and pump him up and throw anyone else under the bus.

Incorrect.

Please list the long time regular posters who don't post anymore as a direct result of being turned off by Lin fans. I came on this board during the summer so I'll recognize who stopped posting from June 2016 to, say December 2016. You're the only one who's explicitly made it a point to say you stopped posting due to Lin fans (welcome back, btw).

Also, there are quite a few Lin fans who have criticized Lin heavily, particularly in recent games, for his poor play. And then people complain that our expectations of Lin are too high. So when we criticize him, people say our expectations are too high. When we praise him, people say we are parading him around as our hero.

The bottom line is that Lin is the starting PG so he's going to get more attention/criticism/responsibility than other players. If Lin goes 3-14 and blows a bunch of layups and gimmes, like Lin did last night, then I'm gonna criticize him. I criticized Lopez two games ago because he sucked that game too.

I'm a critical person in general so I'll probably point out negatives more than positives, and I'll do it for anyone, whether it's Lin, Lopez, Kenny, RHJ, IW, or whoever.

[bws94]

This is not the Lin impact thread, it's the game thread. I'm glad there's a game today and I hope it's competitive. And I hope the mod locks it. In fact, whenever a game thread turns into the go Lin, go away Lin thread, I hope the mod locks it. Because it's exhausting and unpleasant to read. This damned game Brook scored 30 and Booker had the game of his life yet there's a disproportionate amount of posts on Lin.

[Jagger-meister]

As bad as Lin's shoots today, we don't get the win without his playmaking and defense.

Really, that was the only thing bad about his play, besides a stupid behind the back pass to Lopez, late, Lin was effective. But this game is about the bench, Booker!

Funny how you want the thread locked since it was you and PG13 stirring everything up. ^

[bws94]

As bad as Lin's shoots today, we don't get the win without his playmaking and defense.

Really, that was the only thing bad about his play, besides a stupid behind the back pass to Lopez, late, Lin was effective. But this game is about the bench, Booker!

Funny how you want the thread locked since it was you and PG13 stirring everything up. ^

Read again. THIS GAME IS ABOUT THE BENCH, BOOKER. That's what I wrote. You have posted over and over and over and over and over and over again about Lin on not only this thread, but previous threads. You are in no position to point fingers at any poster(s). Look in the mirror, you're going on about Lin is a big part of degrading game threads into Lin debate threads.

[Jagger-meister]

Really, that was the only thing bad about his play, besides a stupid behind the back pass to Lopez, late, Lin was effective. But this game is about the bench, Booker!

Funny how you want the thread locked since it was you and PG13 stirring everything up. ^

Read again. THIS GAME IS ABOUT THE BENCH, BOOKER. That's what I wrote. You have posted over and over and over and over and over and over again about Lin on not only this thread, but previous threads. You are in no position to point fingers at any poster(s). Look in the mirror, you're going on about Lin is a big part of degrading game threads into Lin debate threads.

Reading the first line and you cosign the worship post. Outside of 3-14 shooting, the only thing bad about his play.... so we sweep 3-14 shooting under the rug now????

Anytime I see these posts I'm coming out swinging. I apologize to the rational Lin posters but this^ isn't getting ignored anymore. If Lopez goes 3-14, even the biggest Lopez apologists doesn't act like it was a positive.

[bws94]

Funny how you want the thread locked since it was you and PG13 stirring everything up. ^

Read again. THIS GAME IS ABOUT THE BENCH, BOOKER. That's what I wrote. You have posted over and over and over and over and over and over again about Lin on not only this thread, but previous threads. You are in no position to point fingers at any poster(s). Look in the mirror, you're going on about Lin is a big part of degrading game threads into Lin debate threads.

Reading the first line and you cosign the worship post. Outside of 3-14 shooting, the only thing bad about his play.... so we sweep 3-14 shooting under the rug now????

Anytime I see these posts I'm coming out swinging. I apologize to the rational Lin posters but this^ isn't getting ignored anymore. If Lopez goes 3-14, even the biggest Lopez apologists doesn't act like it was a positive.

After awhile, let it go. I posted about IW, RHJ, Booker, Brook, Hamilton, the whole damned team. I don't see any worshiping in PG13's post. Lin did help win the game with the qualities PG13 stated. You don't agree, I don't care. It's your opinion which I think is heavily biased. You can ignore it if you exercise self-control and limit how much you post on Lin in a game thread. This mission you're on is obvious to everyone and it derails the game threads.

[bws94]

Funny how you want the thread locked since it was you and PG13 stirring everything up. ^

Read again. THIS GAME IS ABOUT THE BENCH, BOOKER. That's what I wrote. You have posted over and over and over and over and over and over again about Lin on not only this thread, but previous threads. You are in no position to point fingers at any poster(s). Look in the mirror, you're going on about Lin is a big part of degrading game threads into Lin debate threads.

Reading the first line and you cosign the worship post. Outside of 3-14 shooting, the only thing bad about his play.... so we sweep 3-14 shooting under the rug now????

Anytime I see these posts I'm coming out swinging. I apologize to the rational Lin posters but this^ isn't getting ignored anymore. If Lopez goes 3-14, even the biggest Lopez apologists doesn't act like it was a positive.

And about Lopez, if he goes 3-14 bleep happens. Lots of players shoot poorly in games, it's not limited to any player. But if in the game Lopez pulled down 10 points, blocked 5 shots, hustled for loose balls, and played a decent role in stabilizing his team, or if one of those 3 FGs was a big shot in the 4th, I'd point out his bad shooting, but talk about the positive aspects of his game and how he contributed even though his shot wasn't falling. I don't like bashing players, I don't like Lopez bashing or bashing any player.

This team to me, at least for now, is watching the young guys develop, CLV, RHJ, IW, Dinwiddie and maybe Archie, along with the chemistry they have with the cornerstones of Brook and Jeremy Lin. I expect them to fumble and bumble, I expect Lopez to screw up in his expanded role and Lin not to always get it right transitioning to full-time starting PG and him not to play up to his physical standards due to injuries. I wasn't bashing IW when he made mistakes, I was looking at his shot-blocking prowess and his fearless play, and I'm looking at and supporting RHJ in his play. On the RHJ thread I wrote I support RHJ. Some posters are more critical than others, understood, but when any player, not only Lin but any of them, are bashed over and over, it becomes tiresome and not constructive criticism when little to no balance of their full games is provided.