ImageImageImageImageImage

DRose torn meniscus per Woj

Moderators: Deeeez Knicks, mpharris36, j4remi, HerSports85, NoLayupRule, GONYK, Jeff Van Gully, dakomish23

User avatar
dakomish23
Forum Mod - Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Posts: 58,764
And1: 48,736
Joined: Sep 22, 2013
Location: Empire State
     

Re: DRose torn meniscus per Woj 

Post#81 » by dakomish23 » Sun Apr 2, 2017 8:17 pm

swisscheeseD wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
Greenie wrote:It better be a lock


idk. Unless we get the a PG elsewhere, it might be in play


We are the New York Knicks...it isn't just "in play"...its most likely "in the works".


3 years 54? Double down on the Noah deal
Jimmit79 wrote:Yea RJ played well he was definitely the x factor


#FreeJimmit
User avatar
swisscheeseD
NCAA Bracket Challenge Champion
Posts: 9,248
And1: 4,239
Joined: Jan 26, 2007
Location: Tonight's The Night
     

Re: DRose torn meniscus per Woj 

Post#82 » by swisscheeseD » Sun Apr 2, 2017 8:21 pm

dakomish23 wrote:
swisscheeseD wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
idk. Unless we get the a PG elsewhere, it might be in play


We are the New York Knicks...it isn't just "in play"...its most likely "in the works".


3 years 54? Double down on the Noah deal


Trump our POBO? Or Phil?
Chicago Bulls

PG: Kemba Walker / T.Rozier / B.Wannamaker
SG: Donte DiVincenzo / T.Ross / P.Connaughton
SF: Kawhi Leonard / R.O’Neale / Caleb Martin
PF: Draymond Green / B.Portis / A.Aminu
C: Jonas Valanciunas / M.Harrell / F.Kaminsky
DaKnicksAreBack
Analyst
Posts: 3,739
And1: 1,785
Joined: Jan 29, 2015

Re: DRose torn meniscus per Woj 

Post#83 » by DaKnicksAreBack » Sun Apr 2, 2017 8:21 pm

Capn'O wrote:
ZeroStatic2 wrote:They're not going to resign Rose especially after that incident when he didn't inform the team that he was leaving for personal reasons and this injury now seals it.

The knicks are going to try to bring back Justin Holiday and use him to talk to Jrue Holiday to come over this summer. I won't be shocked if their plan would be to get Jason Tatum in the draft and if Melo does decide to stay in New York...I can see this as a starting lineup...

Jrue Holiday
Courtney Lee
Jason Tatum
Melo
KP


If the Pels can bring back Cousins I don't see JRue walking. They're starting to click. I'd like to bring Justin back though. Absolutely.


At what price do you bring Justin back? Me, I wouldn't offer him more than a two year deal worth 6 per.
User avatar
Capn'O
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 89,702
And1: 109,257
Joined: Dec 16, 2005
Location: Bone Goal
 

Re: DRose torn meniscus per Woj 

Post#84 » by Capn'O » Sun Apr 2, 2017 8:24 pm

FirePjax wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
ZeroStatic2 wrote:They're not going to resign Rose especially after that incident when he didn't inform the team that he was leaving for personal reasons and this injury now seals it.

The knicks are going to try to bring back Justin Holiday and use him to talk to Jrue Holiday to come over this summer. I won't be shocked if their plan would be to get Jason Tatum in the draft and if Melo does decide to stay in New York...I can see this as a starting lineup...

Jrue Holiday
Courtney Lee
Jason Tatum
Melo
KP


If the Pels can bring back Cousins I don't see JRue walking. They're starting to click. I'd like to bring Justin back though. Absolutely.


At what price do you bring Justin back? Me, I wouldn't offer him more than a two year deal worth 6 per.


I'd be surprised if he got less than 3/24 tbh. And, about that.
BAF Clippers:
UNDER CONSTRUCTION

:beer:
duetta
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 31,437
And1: 12,886
Joined: Aug 28, 2002
Location: Patrolling the middle....

Re: DRose torn meniscus per Woj 

Post#85 » by duetta » Sun Apr 2, 2017 8:27 pm

swisscheeseD wrote:Yea, but you're implying that Minny needs to make it worth OUR while to absorb his contract.

You do realize Rubio is going to cost us more than just absorbing his salary, right?


I'm playing hardball - something Knick GMs rarely do. I have no interest in giving up anything for a player who shoots as poorly as Rubio. I even have concerns about getting stuck with his contract at all.
DaKnicksAreBack
Analyst
Posts: 3,739
And1: 1,785
Joined: Jan 29, 2015

Re: DRose torn meniscus per Woj 

Post#86 » by DaKnicksAreBack » Sun Apr 2, 2017 8:28 pm

Capn'O wrote:
FirePjax wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
If the Pels can bring back Cousins I don't see JRue walking. They're starting to click. I'd like to bring Justin back though. Absolutely.


At what price do you bring Justin back? Me, I wouldn't offer him more than a two year deal worth 6 per.


I'd be surprised if he got less than 3/24 tbh. And, about that.


I'd try not to give him that third year. With melo coming off the books in two, I'd want to free up as much space as possible in anticipation of bringing in a star.
User avatar
swisscheeseD
NCAA Bracket Challenge Champion
Posts: 9,248
And1: 4,239
Joined: Jan 26, 2007
Location: Tonight's The Night
     

Re: DRose torn meniscus per Woj 

Post#87 » by swisscheeseD » Sun Apr 2, 2017 8:31 pm

duetta wrote:
swisscheeseD wrote:Yea, but you're implying that Minny needs to make it worth OUR while to absorb his contract.

You do realize Rubio is going to cost us more than just absorbing his salary, right?


I'm playing hardball - something Knick GMs rarely do. I have no interest giving up anything for a player who shoots as poorly as Rubio. I even have my considerations about getting stuck with his contract at all.


We played hardball and struck out looking. Now we have a broken down Rose who will almost surely be begging to come back on a discounted deal, while Rubio is coming to his own and going off on the league.

But we should be worried about getting "stuck" with his 2yr-$28.9mil salary, as if we're signing someone better for cheaper in the offseason...riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Chicago Bulls

PG: Kemba Walker / T.Rozier / B.Wannamaker
SG: Donte DiVincenzo / T.Ross / P.Connaughton
SF: Kawhi Leonard / R.O’Neale / Caleb Martin
PF: Draymond Green / B.Portis / A.Aminu
C: Jonas Valanciunas / M.Harrell / F.Kaminsky
kane2021
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 17,005
And1: 6,067
Joined: Oct 03, 2008
Location: It's OK to feel that way. Just sick of hearing about it all the time.

Re: DRose torn meniscus per Woj 

Post#88 » by kane2021 » Sun Apr 2, 2017 8:33 pm

Capn'O wrote:
kane2021 wrote:What concerns me is he's been having pain and swelling. He played off and on and up until now remained questionable.

It bothers me that the knicks don't take the initiative to run tests on its players and just go off how the players feel.

It's not the first time we've had a player be in pain and we wait it out before getting the MRI done. Even give them a chance to go out and test how they feel first.

Why are we running the risk of letting possible damaged players diagnose themselves by trying to give it a go? It's something I just don't understand. If someone is complaining of pain in a joint, where there could be structural damage, why aren't we doing an mri as a precaution before letting them test it themselves on the court?


Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums


You're assuming they viewed him as a long term asset, which they may not have.

If not - if he wants to showcase himself... have at it.

They did the same thing to kp twice this year and once last year. If I'm not mistaken both amare and melo had pain. Were given rest first instead of an MRI. Only to find out later there was structural damage.

My point isn't about rose as much. Its about the knicks letting players diagnose themselves. I just don't understand why an MRI wouldn't be the first thing they do to rule out damage. There's a history of the knicks putting MRIs off.


Sent from my iPhone using RealGM mobile app
Image

Never underestimate the strength of knowledge.

Bring back the physical game and send the softies home.
duetta
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 31,437
And1: 12,886
Joined: Aug 28, 2002
Location: Patrolling the middle....

Re: DRose torn meniscus per Woj 

Post#89 » by duetta » Sun Apr 2, 2017 8:42 pm

swisscheeseD wrote:We played hardball and struck out looking. Now we have a broken down Rose who will almost surely be begging to come back on a discounted deal, while Rubio is coming to his own and going off on the league.

But we should be worried about getting "stuck" with his 2yr-$28.9mil salary, as if we're signing someone better for cheaper in the offseason...riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.


Rose can beg all he wants, but that knee makes him a suspect, and a better fit as super sub for an elite team. His lack of defense and refusal to look for his teammates was one of our principal problems this season.

I just mentioned Rubio because of the recent trade talk - but I really don't want much to do with him. I'd rather draft a PG who can actually shoot and pass in this draft, and use our future cap space wherever and whenever. There's no reason that we have to tie it up this season, unless we're getting a player we should want a long-term relationship with. Even if we don't trade Anthony this off-season, he is assuredly opting out at the end of next season. If we're really rebuilding, then just do 1+1 deals again with Rose's money, and plan on using Rose and Anthony's salary slot again in Summer 2018.
Jeffrey
General Manager
Posts: 8,552
And1: 6,244
Joined: Aug 02, 2010
     

Re: DRose torn meniscus per Woj 

Post#90 » by Jeffrey » Sun Apr 2, 2017 8:48 pm

FirePjax wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
FirePjax wrote:
At what price do you bring Justin back? Me, I wouldn't offer him more than a two year deal worth 6 per.


I'd be surprised if he got less than 3/24 tbh. And, about that.


I'd try not to give him that third year. With melo coming off the books in two, I'd want to free up as much space as possible in anticipation of bringing in a star.


Why do you continue to do this to yourself with hoping a star will come in? They are not coming unless we go deep into the playoffs. If we went deep into the playoffs, part of it is that Melo probably helped out. Most stars will switch teams if the team is pretty much intact and they are the piece that will put them as a contender.
battabing10
Rookie
Posts: 1,050
And1: 357
Joined: Jan 04, 2017

Re: DRose torn meniscus per Woj 

Post#91 » by battabing10 » Sun Apr 2, 2017 9:04 pm

what began badly is ending badly just like most things in life.
Adelheid
RealGM
Posts: 11,746
And1: 7,965
Joined: Jul 10, 2014
 

Re: DRose torn meniscus per Woj 

Post#92 » by Adelheid » Sun Apr 2, 2017 9:06 pm

Welp, there goes Rose's chance of a big fat contract
User avatar
dakomish23
Forum Mod - Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Posts: 58,764
And1: 48,736
Joined: Sep 22, 2013
Location: Empire State
     

Re: DRose torn meniscus per Woj 

Post#93 » by dakomish23 » Sun Apr 2, 2017 9:34 pm

swisscheeseD wrote:
duetta wrote:
swisscheeseD wrote:Yea, but you're implying that Minny needs to make it worth OUR while to absorb his contract.

You do realize Rubio is going to cost us more than just absorbing his salary, right?


I'm playing hardball - something Knick GMs rarely do. I have no interest giving up anything for a player who shoots as poorly as Rubio. I even have my considerations about getting stuck with his contract at all.


We played hardball and struck out looking. Now we have a broken down Rose who will almost surely be begging to come back on a discounted deal, while Rubio is coming to his own and going off on the league.

But we should be worried about getting "stuck" with his 2yr-$28.9mil salary, as if we're signing someone better for cheaper in the offseason...riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.


Image

This team would find a way to screw up a definitive win of a trade. That guy Rubio would of been great for KP and WHG. I hope somehow we still get him.
Jimmit79 wrote:Yea RJ played well he was definitely the x factor


#FreeJimmit
User avatar
N8isScofield
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,956
And1: 2,511
Joined: Jul 01, 2010
Location: Gotham
         

Re: DRose torn meniscus per Woj 

Post#94 » by N8isScofield » Sun Apr 2, 2017 9:34 pm

I think we all know that whether D-Rose is here next year or not has much less to do with his play or health than how quickly he RSVPs to Dolan's 4th of July BBQ.
bbconair
Sophomore
Posts: 153
And1: 31
Joined: Jul 05, 2015

Re: DRose torn meniscus per Woj 

Post#95 » by bbconair » Sun Apr 2, 2017 9:52 pm

sucks for any person, and any athlete, to always have season-ending injuries. unfortunately this case is regarding drose, so this isn't unexpected. i was very surprised he was able to play in as many games as he was able to - hard to say if the knicks were more competitive this wouldn't have happened earlier in the season.

another fantastic acquisition (sarcasm). really - as i've said before, never make a bet on players' with substantial injury-risk history.
User avatar
3toheadmelo
RealGM
Posts: 94,773
And1: 135,788
Joined: Feb 15, 2015
 

Re: DRose torn meniscus per Woj 

Post#96 » by 3toheadmelo » Sun Apr 2, 2017 9:59 pm

i don't even know if we should go after any point guards in the offseason if we don't get a guard in the draft. start baker.
we should try to suck again and tank. this team needs talent in every way possible if we're serious about a rebuild.
Image
It’s like when lil bitches make subliminal records, if it ain’t directed directly at me, I don’t respect it
User avatar
N8isScofield
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,956
And1: 2,511
Joined: Jul 01, 2010
Location: Gotham
         

Re: DRose torn meniscus per Woj 

Post#97 » by N8isScofield » Sun Apr 2, 2017 10:02 pm

dakomish23 wrote:
swisscheeseD wrote:
duetta wrote:
I'm playing hardball - something Knick GMs rarely do. I have no interest giving up anything for a player who shoots as poorly as Rubio. I even have my considerations about getting stuck with his contract at all.


We played hardball and struck out looking. Now we have a broken down Rose who will almost surely be begging to come back on a discounted deal, while Rubio is coming to his own and going off on the league.

But we should be worried about getting "stuck" with his 2yr-$28.9mil salary, as if we're signing someone better for cheaper in the offseason...riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.


Image

This team would find a way to screw up a definitive win of a trade. That guy Rubio would of been great for KP and WHG. I hope somehow we still get him.

Lmao that brings back memories. The dorms at St. John's erupted with the cheers of salty Yankee fans and we were all in the hallway high fiving.
User avatar
dakomish23
Forum Mod - Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Posts: 58,764
And1: 48,736
Joined: Sep 22, 2013
Location: Empire State
     

Re: DRose torn meniscus per Woj 

Post#98 » by dakomish23 » Sun Apr 2, 2017 10:24 pm

N8isScofield wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
swisscheeseD wrote:
We played hardball and struck out looking. Now we have a broken down Rose who will almost surely be begging to come back on a discounted deal, while Rubio is coming to his own and going off on the league.

But we should be worried about getting "stuck" with his 2yr-$28.9mil salary, as if we're signing someone better for cheaper in the offseason...riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.


Image

This team would find a way to screw up a definitive win of a trade. That guy Rubio would of been great for KP and WHG. I hope somehow we still get him.

Lmao that brings back memories. The dorms at St. John's erupted with the cheers of salty Yankee fans and we were all in the hallway high fiving.


I thought after that awesome catch the Mets were going to take it. Then Beltran stood their watching. As lifelong yankeees fan, i couldn't stop laughing. Didn't go over well with the hundreds of guys who packed the bar I was at
Jimmit79 wrote:Yea RJ played well he was definitely the x factor


#FreeJimmit
User avatar
dakomish23
Forum Mod - Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Posts: 58,764
And1: 48,736
Joined: Sep 22, 2013
Location: Empire State
     

Re: DRose torn meniscus per Woj 

Post#99 » by dakomish23 » Sun Apr 2, 2017 10:27 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:i don't even know if we should go after any point guards in the offseason if we don't get a guard in the draft. start baker.
we should try to suck again and tank. this team needs talent in every way possible if we're serious about a rebuild.


Image

Not sure we are
Jimmit79 wrote:Yea RJ played well he was definitely the x factor


#FreeJimmit
User avatar
newyorker4ever
RealGM
Posts: 10,412
And1: 4,671
Joined: Jan 03, 2012
     

Re: DRose torn meniscus per Woj 

Post#100 » by newyorker4ever » Sun Apr 2, 2017 10:56 pm

Jeffrey wrote:
NYKnicksFTW wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:What price would you be alright with Phil giving him on a 1 year contract?? Lets say we can't get any player with any kind of name to come play for us next year in free agency and you could get Rose for $10 mil, would you do it?? Or is he completely off your free agent board??



Vet. Min.


5 million and telling him that his role is strictly 6th man with 20-25 mins per game. Depending on the situation of the end of the game, it is not guarantee he will end it.



We can just put Rose, Melo and Noah on the #2 team to come in and play the other teams #2's...lol

Return to New York Knicks