Trade Post-Mortem 2017: Eight is Enough

London2Boston · Post #1201 » by **London2Boston** » Mon Apr 3, 2017 7:21 pm

Griffin is a far better need imo. We can live without Hayward tbh as he will just take mins and opportunities away from Jaylen and Fultz/Ball/Jackson. I mean I won't be pissed if we sign him, but I'm not exactly pumped for him either.

mbsnmisc · Post #1202 » by **mbsnmisc** » Mon Apr 3, 2017 9:53 pm

chrisab123 wrote:
dei1c3 wrote:Gah! I really hope the Nets continue to suck next year. All I really want is a superstar big man.

Superstar big isn't on the list. They'd rather grab the best wing in the draft. Rebounding is not a concern for the team in regards to building a roster. They just care if 12 players can jack up 3s if needed.

I think Brad is one of the few coaches with enough intellect to not just run a "system". He has concepts that he favors, but if a "Shaq" like talent was available in the draft, I think he could modify what he runs and be successful.

Asian Celtic · Post #1203 » by **Asian Celtic** » Mon Apr 3, 2017 10:58 pm

London2Boston wrote:Griffin is a far better need imo. We can live without Hayward tbh as he will just take mins and opportunities away from Jaylen and Fultz/Ball/Jackson. I mean I won't be pissed if we sign him, but I'm not exactly pumped for him either.

Agree with your POV. Griffin would fit like a glove into Stevens system from day 1. He's like a more athletic, less defensive Horford that would compliment everyone with spacing, passing, rebounding. If Hayward is a longshot, then I don't know our chances on Griffin though, he's also injury prone. I don't like to see Griffin and Bradley taking turns on the injured list.

Wes-J · Post #1204 » by **Wes-J** » Tue Apr 4, 2017 2:49 am

London2Boston wrote:Griffin is a far better need imo. We can live without Hayward tbh as he will just take mins and opportunities away from Jaylen and Fultz/Ball/Jackson. I mean I won't be pissed if we sign him, but I'm not exactly pumped for him either.

Sorry that's an awful reason not to sign a FA lol. That's like saying going after KD is a bad idea, he'll take opportunities away from other young players.

jmr07019 · Post #1205 » by **jmr07019** » Tue Apr 4, 2017 3:07 pm

Bradley to Philly
Saric to Orlando
Gordon to Boston

lon3lytoaster · Post #1206 » by **lon3lytoaster** » Tue Apr 4, 2017 3:11 pm

jmr07019 wrote:Bradley to Philly
Saric to Orlando
Gordon to Boston

I would do that on the contingency we have an agreement with Hayward.

Gordon would fit nicely here and he was really high on Danny's board during his draft class.

Valid · Post #1207 » by **Valid** » Wed Apr 5, 2017 5:14 pm

jmr07019 wrote:Bradley to Philly
Saric to Orlando
Gordon to Boston

I do this in a heartbeat.

Still not sure why Orlando would give up on Gordon, though, but then again, it is the Magic we are talking about here.

jmr07019 · Post #1208 » by **jmr07019** » Wed Apr 5, 2017 10:59 pm

lon3lytoaster wrote:
jmr07019 wrote:Bradley to Philly
Saric to Orlando
Gordon to Boston

I would do that on the contingency we have an agreement with Hayward.

Gordon would fit nicely here and he was really high on Danny's board during his draft class.

Even if we don't there's a 50% chance we get Fultz or Ball and I would say a 90% chance we draft a perimeter player with only a 10% chance we draft Markkanen or Issac. Gotta move one of IT, Bradley, Smart

Fencer reregistered · Post #1209 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Wed Apr 5, 2017 11:06 pm

lon3lytoaster wrote:
jmr07019 wrote:Bradley to Philly
Saric to Orlando
Gordon to Boston

I would do that on the contingency we have an agreement with Hayward.

Gordon would fit nicely here and he was really high on Danny's board during his draft class.

Timing could probably be worked out. We just wouldn't have this year's 2nd round picks to include in the deal.

And yeah -- I'm not trading Bradley for a currently not very effective young guy in a vacuum. But I'd trade him for the young guy to rebalance the roster after other moves are made.

Post #1210 » by **GimmeDat** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 12:00 pm

Teetering back on Butler trade talks, would you guys have interest in Robin Lopez, either as part of a Butler deal, or seperately?

FlatearthZorro · Post #1211 » by **FlatearthZorro** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 12:21 pm

GimmeDat wrote:Teetering back on Butler trade talks, would you guys have interest in Robin Lopez, either as part of a Butler deal, or seperately?

Obviously we're mostly speculating, but lately it seems as tho Ainge and Brad don't focus on rebounding at all. :lol:

Like literally at all. :lol:

So I somewhat doubt we're interested in Robin. Honestly unless something dramatic happens as I wrote probably 6-7 times already, I don't expect you guys to trade Butler. I think you might even let him walk. Your ownership just cares about playoff money, not the future of your team. Pretty awful situation to be in.

FlatearthZorro · Post #1212 » by **FlatearthZorro** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 12:22 pm

redbeamer wrote:PG13 is a stud! I hope we can work something out in the off season.

I don't know Bird much and I haven't watched him, but he seems super stubborn the kind of stubborn where he might fool himself into thinking George will stay and have him leave a year from now.

redbeamer · Post #1213 » by **redbeamer** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 1:20 pm

Boston34Bg wrote:
redbeamer wrote:PG13 is a stud! I hope we can work something out in the off season.

I don't know Bird much and I haven't watched him, but he seems super stubborn the kind of stubborn where he might fool himself into thinking George will stay and have him leave a year from now.

I get the feeling you might be right. He strikes me as the type of guy who would refuse to admit things did not work out and move on.

TheOGJabroni · Post #1214 » by **TheOGJabroni** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 3:17 pm

I love how we have a dedicated trade thread even though we're at a point in the year where trades are not currently allowed. It just shows how forward thinking Celtics' fans are.

I think we're aiming too high for trade targets. It seems like Ainge is leaving the appropriate amount of cap space flexibility open to sign a max free agent (hopefully Hayward). He wouldn't need that much flexibility if we were looking to trade for one.

It gets to the point where if we are successful in signing a max free agent, a decision needs to be made on Bradley & Olynyk. While I like Bradley as a player more, if we draft & sign another guard & wing player, he's the one that needs to go. I would move him and Rozier for a solid big with a smaller salary (Kyle O'Quinn) & maybe a future draft pick so we are able to bring over our stashed rookies from last season.

Thomas / Fultz / Jackson
Hayward / Smart
Crowder / Brown / Nader
O'Quinn / Olynyk / Yabusele
Horford / Zizic

reload141 · Post #1215 » by **reload141** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 9:28 pm

GimmeDat wrote:Teetering back on Butler trade talks, would you guys have interest in Robin Lopez, either as part of a Butler deal, or seperately?

Not really, I imagine if we traded for Butler it would be for him and him alone.
What's your take on the Butler situation? Do you want them to trade him, build around him?

ConstableGeneva · Post #1216 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 9:32 pm

I'd like the Pacers to not make the playoffs please. And for Paul George to not make any of the All-NBA teams. Thanks.

Post #1217 » by **GimmeDat** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 11:14 pm

reload141 wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:Teetering back on Butler trade talks, would you guys have interest in Robin Lopez, either as part of a Butler deal, or seperately?

Not really, I imagine if we traded for Butler it would be for him and him alone.
What's your take on the Butler situation? Do you want them to trade him, build around him?

Very hard to say, everything is very speculative at this point. What I would rule out is a situation where they're committed to moving him for the highest bidder - I don't think they'll evaluate what offers are and the strength of that direction versus the prospects of re-tooling around Butler in the next few years.

He's obviously playing well enough to be 'the guy', and when our supporting cast plays well and hits shots we look like a legit playoff team, but the roster is so full of young guys and inconsistent players that it gets ugly often. I think with a re-tool that actually builds around Jimmy we can be a really good team, but we are somewhat limited with assets/upside, so if a heavy deal presents itself for Butler, I'd do it. To be honest, the worst move we made last off-season was Wade - Butler plays a lot better without him, and he's clogging up some big time cap room.

ConstableGeneva · Post #1218 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Fri Apr 7, 2017 3:11 am

Read on Twitter

Proving to be the prudent move.

Asian Celtic · Post #1219 » by **Asian Celtic** » Fri Apr 7, 2017 3:50 am

I'm highly leaning on the bye2x Bradley wagon. As much as he's and All NBA Defender, he's also hurt every year. Can't seem to get healthy in a full season. I'd like to get him for a Solid Bigman who can play 28-32 minutes a night.

bucknersrevenge · Post #1220 » by **bucknersrevenge** » Fri Apr 7, 2017 4:19 am

Rexperez wrote:I'm highly leaning on the bye2x Bradley wagon. As much as he's and All NBA Defender, he's also hurt every year. Can't seem to get healthy in a full season. I'd like to get him for a Solid Bigman who can play 28-32 minutes a night.

Feeling a lot of Nik Vucevic fitting the bill. After we sign Hayward, we'll need to match up salaries. AB, maybe Terry and filler should do the trick. I think Danny laid groundwork at the deadline when there were whispers. Nik checks off all the boxes that Brad likes in his bigs. Good passer at the high post, solid perimeter shooter, can rebound well. Only on the books at 25 mil for the next 2 years. Pushes l to the 4. He's my odds on favorite right now.