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Now that he knows his role... we HAVE to keep Reggie Jackson?

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Should we keep Reggie?

Yes, of course!
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2%
Yeah Reggie's not the big problem
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5%
Unforunately... yes
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7%
Indifferent
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2%
No we have to trade him
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43%
Cut/amnesty him
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Get him off the team by any means
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Send him to the D-League
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Have him set up like Tupac
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Re: Now that he knows his role... we HAVE to keep Reggie Jackson? 

Post#21 » by BadMofoPimp » Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:08 pm

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BadMofoPimp wrote:Would you do Reggie straight up for Knight?


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Post#22 » by coordinator0 » Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:37 pm

Any amount of minutes is too many for Jackson to be on the court and play the way he does. Well, if you want to get the rest of the team involved that is. There are endless "could" or "should be able to" scenarios you can throw out about him changing his game but until it actually happens you can't expect it. Reggie hasn't shown one shred of evidence of becoming someone different on the court even through his struggles this season. If he's playing it's not going to be in an off-ball or combo facet. Jackson is going to dominate the ball as much as he can.
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Post#23 » by 313 Professor » Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:16 pm

coordinator0 wrote:Any amount of minutes is too many for Jackson to be on the court and play the way he does. Well, if you want to get the rest of the team involved that is. There are endless "could" or "should be able to" scenarios you can throw out about him changing his game but until it actually happens you can't expect it. Reggie hasn't shown one shred of evidence of becoming someone different on the court even through his struggles this season. If he's playing it's not going to be in an off-ball or combo facet. Jackson is going to dominate the ball as much as he can.


Reggie is what he is... a solid pick and roll option as a scorer and solid passer who can hit a bail out deep 3 from time to time at a solid clip.

These guys aren't robots. Dominating the ball is a privilege. If that privilege is taken away from him by coaching leadership he has no choice but to play off ball some and maybe have the offense run through him off the bench. It's just like demoting someone at any other job. I don't see how Reggie has any leverage especially considering it's likely nobody else will give him a starting job in the NBA at this point.
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Post#24 » by coordinator0 » Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:45 pm

313 Professor wrote:These guys aren't robots. Dominating the ball is a privilege. If that privilege is taken away from him by coaching leadership he has no choice but to play off ball some and maybe have the offense run through him off the bench. It's just like demoting someone at any other job. I don't see how Reggie has any leverage especially considering it's likely nobody else will give him a starting job in the NBA at this point.


Yet until anybody sees that actually happen it can't be expected to go like that. Reggie played the same way in Oklahoma City when he was in a similar role that you're promoting. I don't think much is going to change with him going forward.
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Post#25 » by 313 Professor » Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:29 pm

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313 Professor wrote:These guys aren't robots. Dominating the ball is a privilege. If that privilege is taken away from him by coaching leadership he has no choice but to play off ball some and maybe have the offense run through him off the bench. It's just like demoting someone at any other job. I don't see how Reggie has any leverage especially considering it's likely nobody else will give him a starting job in the NBA at this point.


Yet until anybody sees that actually happen it can't be expected to go like that. Reggie played the same way in Oklahoma City when he was in a similar role that you're promoting. I don't think much is going to change with him going forward.


If he's not getting any good offense going he can go right back on the bench. That's the approach I'm thinking. Reggie can get anywhere from 6 to 35 mins nothing guaranteed. PT based on performance and we can bring in more guards for depth. Eventually with enough benching's he'll either A) start playing within the role laid out or B) Just start getting DNP's.

Guards are everywhere and SVG is still a PG whisperer so I don't think finding another solid ball-handler to run P&R's with Drummond will be too tough of an acquisition.
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Post#26 » by 313 Professor » Sat Apr 1, 2017 5:23 pm

hoophabit wrote:If there's any reasonable way to part with RJ, I'm all for it. It isn't about his skill set. The problem is his mind set. When you hear Isiah talk about what he learned being the PG on a championship team, and stress the need of the PG to adjust and sacrifice their own game to the team's needs, it just seems inevitable. RJ doesn't seem capable of taking this tact. You have to wonder if this is even possible, sadly.


The threat of being out of the league and/or getting DNP's if he doesn't move the ball should wake him up. You can't be selfish without the opportunity to be. That's on SVG and his teammates. Nobody should be able to play outside of the offense without consequence. People even regulate this in competitive pickup games.
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Post#27 » by Darko Miliminutes » Sat Apr 1, 2017 10:46 pm

Reggie is why we won last year, even made Andre an all star. If this season hasn't shown folks how important RJ is...idk wth. Without RJ playing healthy/well, we suck!

Did we suck last year, when he was healthy?? NO!
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Post#28 » by DBC10 » Sat Apr 1, 2017 10:54 pm

Darko Miliminutes wrote:Reggie is why we won last year, even made Andre an all star. If this season hasn't shown folks how important RJ is...idk wth. Without RJ playing healthy/well, we suck!

Did we suck last year, when he was healthy?? NO!


The problem even with last year was RJ's inability to make his teammates better. You'd have guys standing around clapping for the ball and he refuses or maybe can't pass the ball for whatever reason. Not to mention his league-leading usage rate as a player when he isn't elite enough to warrant those touches.

The only reason nobody minded was because we were heading into the playoffs and he was actually scoring well enough to offset that crucial weakness as a PG. This year has proved that with this team, we need more ball movement and players that make each other better.

Simply put, we don't need his high PnR ISO ball anymore. The league has scouted us out.
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Post#29 » by 313 Professor » Sun Apr 2, 2017 6:33 am

Darko Miliminutes wrote:Reggie is why we won last year, even made Andre an all star. If this season hasn't shown folks how important RJ is...idk wth. Without RJ playing healthy/well, we suck!

Did we suck last year, when he was healthy?? NO!


We were a good PG away (starting and off the bench) from truly giving Cleveland a run for their money. Couple of those games were close. With wings like KCP, Marcus, Tobias, and Stanley with Drummond inside we matched up well everywhere but PG. Kyrie put daggers in us and Reggie and Blake :roll: stalled the offense enough for us to lose. :roll:
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Post#30 » by Darko Miliminutes » Mon Apr 3, 2017 4:07 pm

It was his first time as a leader/first option too don't forget...he's not old. And maybe he had some trust issues too. He was the safest option night in and night out, with abundant inconsistency throughout the team. I am not discounting that he can play selfish some and that he made his share of playoff mistakes. But he was real bloody good last year in his first year running a team.

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Post#31 » by Canadafan » Mon Apr 3, 2017 8:23 pm

RJ probably was and is our most talented player. Tobias is probably closest. RJ last year was as close to a 20ppg player as we've got. Nobody else other than Tobias can be that guy. Drummond KCP Marcus and hopefully SJ are guys that get you around 15ppg.
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Post#32 » by El Chivo » Tue Apr 4, 2017 11:23 am

Canadafan wrote:RJ probably was and is our most talented player. Tobias is probably closest. RJ last year was as close to a 20ppg player as we've got. Nobody else other than Tobias can be that guy. Drummond KCP Marcus and hopefully SJ are guys that get you around 15ppg.
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Post#33 » by Pharaoh » Tue Apr 4, 2017 11:57 am

I honestly think we'll stay the course here.

Gores, Van Bower and the other leaders in the office will review the season, opt to rehab the value of certain players first and we'll roll out:

Dre, Jon, Bobo
Mook, King, 2nd rounder
SJ, Harris, Hilliard
KCP, Rookie, Benji
RJ, Ish, Ray

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Post#34 » by Canadafan » Tue Apr 4, 2017 12:05 pm

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Canadafan wrote:RJ probably was and is our most talented player. Tobias is probably closest. RJ last year was as close to a 20ppg player as we've got. Nobody else other than Tobias can be that guy. Drummond KCP Marcus and hopefully SJ are guys that get you around 15ppg.
Mr 4th quarter was awesome last year. I believe he can become that guy again


if mr 4th quarter last year played defense, maybe we wouldn't have needed so much his clutchness in certain games.


Hahaha yes, I guess I should have said most talented offensive player. Scorer. Cause his defense has always been horrendous
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Post#35 » by Laimbeer » Wed Apr 5, 2017 3:22 pm

Reggie was getting mentioned by national media as an all-star snub last season. The only logical reason I can see for his decline is his health. I'm just not sure if it will be chronic or clear up for next season.
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Post#36 » by 313 Professor » Wed Apr 5, 2017 5:19 pm

Pharaoh wrote:I honestly think we'll stay the course here.

Gores, Van Bower and the other leaders in the office will review the season, opt to rehab the value of certain players first and we'll roll out:

Dre, Jon, Bobo
Mook, King, 2nd rounder
SJ, Harris, Hilliard
KCP, Rookie, Benji
RJ, Ish, Ray

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This is a depressing post man. My heart can't take it.

Canadafan wrote:"Mr 4th quarter"


This person never existed. Reggie saved his job with just enough big shots to get by last year. He has the consistency of a 6th man and has never been a reliable quality PG at any time! 6th/7th man he should be!
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Post#37 » by Canadafan » Wed Apr 5, 2017 7:54 pm

313 Professor wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:I honestly think we'll stay the course here.

Gores, Van Bower and the other leaders in the office will review the season, opt to rehab the value of certain players first and we'll roll out:

Dre, Jon, Bobo
Mook, King, 2nd rounder
SJ, Harris, Hilliard
KCP, Rookie, Benji
RJ, Ish, Ray

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This is a depressing post man. My heart can't take it.

Canadafan wrote:"Mr 4th quarter"


This person never existed. Reggie saved his job with just enough big shots to get by last year. He has the consistency of a 6th man and has never been a reliable quality PG at any time! 6th/7th man he should be!


Most people in that thread from the link you gave seem to think he's clutch
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Post#38 » by 313 Professor » Wed Apr 5, 2017 9:19 pm

Canadafan wrote:Most people in that thread from the link you gave seem to think he's clutch


Well... that's the unfortunate part :lol:

His offensive upside can definitely be useful at the end of the game but not in a consistent go-to role. Let him sit out crunch time when he's off or vs a bad matchup, let him play crunch time when he's on or vs good matchups.

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