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Re: This offseason 

Post#261 » by Prokorov » Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:45 pm

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Yup - acquiring Hill would be financially and age-wise similar to the Joe Johnson acquisition. Crazy contract but for 2-3 years it won't get in the way anything and by the last 1-2 years it'll be manageable to move him if necessary. A solid, scrappy, veteran combo guard to mentor the stable of young talented combo guards on the roster is an investment that would make sense.
Hill also provides some leverage in Lin negotiations. Lin will be looking for a big raise after next season. Having another PG will allow us to negotiate from a position of strength, rather than a position where Lin is our only option for a competent starting PG.


1. I would love to have Hill on the Nets but why would Hill want to come to Brooklyn? Does he have roots here? Does he have ties to anyone on the staff or management? Has he mentioned interest in the Nets? Wouldn't he want to remain on a competitive team like the Jazz or go to a competitive team?

2. Lin will seek an increase but, of anyone, he seems like someone who won't want to break the bank. He accepted a bargain basement deal with the Hornets, he accepted an affordable deal with the Nets. If he has a solid 2017-2018 year and the Nets get a solid FA, I could see Lin seeking an extension at a decent rate - maybe 4 year/$17 per.


i think hill would be interested in the nets cause few teams would pay him the max besdies us. and turning downa 25m per extension with the jazz tells me money is #1 on his list
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Post#262 » by Prokorov » Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:46 pm

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Roy Tarpley wrote:1. I would love to have Hill on the Nets but why would Hill want to come to Brooklyn? Does he have roots here? Does he have ties to anyone on the staff or management? Has he mentioned interest in the Nets? Wouldn't he want to remain on a competitive team like the Jazz or go to a competitive team?

In case you haven't noticed, and this is not just for Hill's benefit, we've recently been proving that we are a competitive team. Had you mentioned this 2 months ago you'd been accurate.

4-1 currently is the 2nd best Five Gm run in the East
6-4 currently tied 3rd best Ten Gm run in East

Beating playoff bound teams. There will be at least two below .500 teams in East that make playoffs.


Yes, you're preaching to the choir here. I predicted we'd be a 32 win team in the pre-season. But I'd think a veteran like Hill would want to go a team that is more of a playoff-lock (40 wins) or even real contender (50 wins), than a competitive but still rebuilding Nets. Even sticking with the Jazz means that he'll get paid and he'll be on a solid playoff team.


i think hill is good enough to where he comes here this is a playoff team... even if lopez or lin spent time injured.
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Post#263 » by Prokorov » Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:49 pm

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kamaze wrote:Extending Brook wouldn't be foolish at all the Nets would be foolish NOT to extend him.


it would be a horrible move... giving a 3rd max deal to a guy who has already proven on 2 max contracts he isnt good enough to shoulder a team. At 29 he really doesnt fit our long rebuild plan, and he is a horrible fit for what we do defensively. which is why we tried to trade him in the first place.

extending lopez means more horrible seasons and a super low ceiling for this team


I honestly can't see brook asking for a max contract given on how much Brooklyn was loyal to him. I say he takes a payout playing for us keeping his contract to 20 mill which I am completely fine.


1) nets havent really been loyal to him, we have tried to trade him basically every deadline, and where close twice to where players were held out.

2) i cant see any chance he takes a pay cut. 20 million would be 2M less then he makes now. hometown loyalty discount is one thing, pay cut is another. Lopez would be a 10 year vet. he would be leaving 50 million on the table if he took that deal... and this is likely his last big contract at 29
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Post#264 » by DeRoma » Mon Apr 10, 2017 4:58 pm

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it would be a horrible move... giving a 3rd max deal to a guy who has already proven on 2 max contracts he isnt good enough to shoulder a team. At 29 he really doesnt fit our long rebuild plan, and he is a horrible fit for what we do defensively. which is why we tried to trade him in the first place.

extending lopez means more horrible seasons and a super low ceiling for this team


I honestly can't see brook asking for a max contract given on how much Brooklyn was loyal to him. I say he takes a payout playing for us keeping his contract to 20 mill which I am completely fine.


1) nets havent really been loyal to him, we have tried to trade him basically every deadline, and where close twice to where players were held out.

2) i cant see any chance he takes a pay cut. 20 million would be 2M less then he makes now. hometown loyalty discount is one thing, pay cut is another. Lopez would be a 10 year vet. he would be leaving 50 million on the table if he took that deal... and this is likely his last big contract at 29

Whose going to give him the max tho? I can't see any team giving him that kind of money
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Re: This offseason 

Post#265 » by Prokorov » Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:02 pm

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I honestly can't see brook asking for a max contract given on how much Brooklyn was loyal to him. I say he takes a payout playing for us keeping his contract to 20 mill which I am completely fine.


1) nets havent really been loyal to him, we have tried to trade him basically every deadline, and where close twice to where players were held out.

2) i cant see any chance he takes a pay cut. 20 million would be 2M less then he makes now. hometown loyalty discount is one thing, pay cut is another. Lopez would be a 10 year vet. he would be leaving 50 million on the table if he took that deal... and this is likely his last big contract at 29

Whose going to give him the max tho? I can't see any team giving him that kind of money


Alot of teams with money to spend and not money all-star type free agents. I think we give it to him... i think the jazz might cave if heyward leaves. if milsap leaves atlanta could be a candidtate. philly could use him next to their young guys. clippers if chris paul moves... he will be highly sought after
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Post#266 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:11 pm

The Nets shouldn't be offering a max deal to Lopez under any circumstances, if someone else offers that let him walk. If they want to keep him at a fair market rate sure, but if someone is going to pay north of 27 mil for Brook, then god bless Brook I'll be happy for him.
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Post#267 » by kamaze » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:11 pm

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Roy Tarpley wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote: Hill also provides some leverage in Lin negotiations. Lin will be looking for a big raise after next season. Having another PG will allow us to negotiate from a position of strength, rather than a position where Lin is our only option for a competent starting PG.


1. I would love to have Hill on the Nets but why would Hill want to come to Brooklyn? Does he have roots here? Does he have ties to anyone on the staff or management? Has he mentioned interest in the Nets? Wouldn't he want to remain on a competitive team like the Jazz or go to a competitive team?

2. Lin will seek an increase but, of anyone, he seems like someone who won't want to break the bank. He accepted a bargain basement deal with the Hornets, he accepted an affordable deal with the Nets. If he has a solid 2017-2018 year and the Nets get a solid FA, I could see Lin seeking an extension at a decent rate - maybe 4 year/$17 per.


i think hill would be interested in the nets cause few teams would pay him the max besdies us. and turning downa 25m per extension with the jazz tells me money is #1 on his list


His agent probably told him to wait till the summer to get more money, the team won 20 games this isn't a playoff team until they make the playoffs.
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Post#268 » by Prokorov » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:16 pm

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1. I would love to have Hill on the Nets but why would Hill want to come to Brooklyn? Does he have roots here? Does he have ties to anyone on the staff or management? Has he mentioned interest in the Nets? Wouldn't he want to remain on a competitive team like the Jazz or go to a competitive team?

2. Lin will seek an increase but, of anyone, he seems like someone who won't want to break the bank. He accepted a bargain basement deal with the Hornets, he accepted an affordable deal with the Nets. If he has a solid 2017-2018 year and the Nets get a solid FA, I could see Lin seeking an extension at a decent rate - maybe 4 year/$17 per.


i think hill would be interested in the nets cause few teams would pay him the max besdies us. and turning downa 25m per extension with the jazz tells me money is #1 on his list


His agent probably told him to wait till the summer to get more money, the team won 20 games this isn't a playoff team until they make the playoffs.


We arent a playoff team now... but add hill and we are.
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Post#269 » by Prokorov » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:20 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:The Nets shouldn't be offering a max deal to Lopez under any circumstances, if someone else offers that let him walk. If they want to keep him at a fair market rate sure, but if someone is going to pay north of 27 mil for Brook, then god bless Brook I'll be happy for him.


Fair Market rate is 25 million per.

Drummond got 4/100.
Howard got 3/75
Whiteside got 4/100
Bosh got 4/104
Gasol got 4/100

all signed before the cap goes up this summer.

Cant see lopez taking less then 24-27M per year. he just made 22 millon, is in the middle of his prime, and this is his last big contract. and other centers are all getting 25 or more.

It is crazy to entertain that kind of contract for Brook. Deal him or let him walk. this is why i was open to 75 cents on the dollar. I dont want to pay him 25 million and continue to locking myself into him having to be one of our 2 best players
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Post#270 » by kamaze » Mon Apr 10, 2017 11:34 pm

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i think hill would be interested in the nets cause few teams would pay him the max besdies us. and turning downa 25m per extension with the jazz tells me money is #1 on his list


His agent probably told him to wait till the summer to get more money, the team won 20 games this isn't a playoff team until they make the playoffs.


We arent a playoff team now... but add hill and we are.


They'll have to cut down on the turnovers. They might be better off starting Dinwiddie next to Lin and picking up another point guard.
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Post#271 » by Prokorov » Mon Apr 10, 2017 11:40 pm

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His agent probably told him to wait till the summer to get more money, the team won 20 games this isn't a playoff team until they make the playoffs.


We arent a playoff team now... but add hill and we are.


They'll have to cut down on the turnovers. They might be better off starting Dinwiddie next to Lin and picking up another point guard.


We already cut the turnovers with the lineup/roster shakeup and kids growing up... adding a guy (hill) who would be our best ball hander only helps turnovers even more.

Hill would make us playoff relevant. foye upgrade to hill is enormous just like whitehead to lin was.
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Post#272 » by vincecarter4pres » Tue Apr 11, 2017 12:26 pm

What do you think the chances are Charlotte wants to cut ties with Batum?

Booker/Whitehead/Hamilton/Nicholson/Boston pick for Batum?
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Post#273 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:18 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:The Nets shouldn't be offering a max deal to Lopez under any circumstances, if someone else offers that let him walk. If they want to keep him at a fair market rate sure, but if someone is going to pay north of 27 mil for Brook, then god bless Brook I'll be happy for him.


Fair Market rate is 25 million per.

Drummond got 4/100.
Howard got 3/75
Whiteside got 4/100
Bosh got 4/104
Gasol got 4/100

all signed before the cap goes up this summer.

Cant see lopez taking less then 24-27M per year. he just made 22 millon, is in the middle of his prime, and this is his last big contract. and other centers are all getting 25 or more.

It is crazy to entertain that kind of contract for Brook. Deal him or let him walk. this is why i was open to 75 cents on the dollar. I dont want to pay him 25 million and continue to locking myself into him having to be one of our 2 best players


I really don't have a problem with doing either. I don't think we should pay him an insane amount of money knowing what we do know about just how far that takes us.

I'd take cap room, picks, and a viable prospect in return. Or I'd let him walk if someone is going to give him 25 million dollars or more. Nothing more.
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Post#274 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:19 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:What do you think the chances are Charlotte wants to cut ties with Batum?

Booker/Whitehead/Hamilton/Nicholson/Boston pick for Batum?



Ahem...


If you were Michael Jordan, and Sean Marks called you on the phone with that deal for Batum, would you

a) hang the phone up

b) accept

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Re: This offseason 

Post#275 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:20 pm

kamaze wrote:
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His agent probably told him to wait till the summer to get more money, the team won 20 games this isn't a playoff team until they make the playoffs.


We arent a playoff team now... but add hill and we are.


They'll have to cut down on the turnovers. They might be better off starting Dinwiddie next to Lin and picking up another point guard.



I think Dinwiddie is best as a 6th man. I'd also shift LeVert to the backcourt and invest in another wing to play the 3.
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Post#276 » by vincecarter4pres » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:30 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:What do you think the chances are Charlotte wants to cut ties with Batum?

Booker/Whitehead/Hamilton/Nicholson/Boston pick for Batum?



Ahem...


If you were Michael Jordan, and Sean Marks called you on the phone with that deal for Batum, would you

a) hang the phone up

b) accept

?

Idk honestly. Batum's contract is serious andJordan tends to be on the cheap side at times.

I don't believe it's outlandish.
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Post#277 » by imanshar » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:56 pm

We need some good defensive big men. Our main problem is interior defense and rebounding. If we get good defensive bigs plus a 3&D wing and also get rid of Hamilton, Harris and Nicholson. We'll be fine.
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Post#278 » by jbeachboy » Tue Apr 11, 2017 5:00 pm

imanshar wrote:We need some good defensive big men. Our main problem is interior defense and rebounding. If we get good defensive bigs plus a 3&D wing and also get rid of Hamilton, Harris and Nicholson. We'll be fine.
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giving up on joe harris already? i want to see harris another year before deciding.
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Post#279 » by jbeachboy » Tue Apr 11, 2017 5:03 pm

why did george hill turn that down?, thats crazy. let lopez go after his contract ends or trade him before we lose him for nothing, he isnt worth that ridiculous amounts.
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Post#280 » by Prokorov » Tue Apr 11, 2017 8:42 pm

jbeachboy wrote:why did george hill turn that down?, thats crazy. let lopez go after his contract ends or trade him before we lose him for nothing, he isnt worth that ridiculous amounts.


because he can get more in free agency.

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