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Post#301 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:18 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:Booker/Hamilton/Boston pick for Myers Leonard/Portland pick?

Follow it up with 16/22/Whitehead for 9th?


Myers Leonard is one of the worst contracts in professional sports.
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Re: This offseason 

Post#302 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:20 am

:nod: :nod: :nod: We made it. Hats off to everyone who watched every single game of this season. As I said in the game thread, this really wasn't easy but doable because the Nets played hard and competed. It's hard NOT to root for guys who do that.

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Re: This offseason 

Post#303 » by Prokorov » Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:32 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:Booker/Hamilton/Boston pick for Myers Leonard/Portland pick?

Follow it up with 16/22/Whitehead for 9th?


Myers Leonard is one of the worst contracts in professional sports.



he isnt even the worst contract on his own team...

3 years/30 million. How is that anywhere near worst in sports. its barely even a bad contract and just under what next years MLE would be.

24 years old and a 7 footer who shoots 37% from three.

your off on him as a terrible contract
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Re: This offseason 

Post#304 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:46 am

Prokorov wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:Booker/Hamilton/Boston pick for Myers Leonard/Portland pick?

Follow it up with 16/22/Whitehead for 9th?


Myers Leonard is one of the worst contracts in professional sports.



he isnt even the worst contract on his own team...

3 years/30 million. How is that anywhere near worst in sports. its barely even a bad contract and just under what next years MLE would be.

24 years old and a 7 footer who shoots 37% from three.

your off on him as a terrible contract


Leonard shot 34% this season from downtown and 39% FG, 51% TS 9 PER rating, negatives across the board on both ends. The dude is garbage Prok.

Portland can keep all of their trash.
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Re: This offseason 

Post#305 » by twosevenstreet » Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:06 am

At this point considering everything, I think Marks only signs one free agent and that is Milos Teodosic. He replaces Foye in the starting lineup and immediately improves our offense ten-fold. As far as the picks go, I believe we do the following:

22nd - RODIONS KURUCS
27th - JONATHAN JEANNE PF/C
57th - KOSTJA MUSHIDI SG

I think all of them will stay overseas

2017 Roster:
Lin, Din, Archie
Milos, IW, SKilz
CLV, KJ, Harris, RJ Hunter (dleague flex spot)
RHJ, Booker, Nicholson
Brook, Acy, Hamilton, Cliff (dleague flex spot)

as the season progresses Marks will look to move Booker and SKilz
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Re: This offseason 

Post#306 » by Prokorov » Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:57 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Myers Leonard is one of the worst contracts in professional sports.



he isnt even the worst contract on his own team...

3 years/30 million. How is that anywhere near worst in sports. its barely even a bad contract and just under what next years MLE would be.

24 years old and a 7 footer who shoots 37% from three.

your off on him as a terrible contract


Leonard shot 34% this season from downtown and 39% FG, 51% TS 9 PER rating, negatives across the board on both ends. The dude is garbage Prok.

Portland can keep all of their trash.


37% from three for his career. on some decent volume. still a young player...

and even if you do think he is trash 3/30 is peanuts... nowhere near "worst contract in sports" or even 20 worst in the NBA
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Re: This offseason 

Post#307 » by Prokorov » Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:58 am

twosevenstreet wrote:At this point considering everything, I think Marks only signs one free agent and that is Milos Teodosic. He replaces Foye in the starting lineup and immediately improves our offense ten-fold. As far as the picks go, I believe we do the following:

22nd - RODIONS KURUCS
27th - JONATHAN JEANNE PF/C
57th - KOSTJA MUSHIDI SG

I think all of them will stay overseas

2017 Roster:
Lin, Din, Archie
Milos, IW, SKilz
CLV, KJ, Harris, RJ Hunter (dleague flex spot)
RHJ, Booker, Nicholson
Brook, Acy, Hamilton, Cliff (dleague flex spot)

as the season progresses Marks will look to move Booker and SKilz


i havent seen any tedosic... but what ive seen of kurucs he looked like a complete stiff.
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Re: This offseason 

Post#308 » by jbeachboy » Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:01 am

you think marks wants europeans in draft?
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Re: This offseason 

Post#309 » by Paradise » Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:11 am

I think Marks will opt for Teodosic depending on how FA goes. If the market is too high for George Hill or Jrue Holiday then I could see him paying Teodosic an entry level amount to be that secondary ballhandler and use the rest of the money on SG depth.




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Re: This offseason 

Post#310 » by vincecarter4pres » Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:25 am

Prokorov wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Prokorov wrote:

he isnt even the worst contract on his own team...

3 years/30 million. How is that anywhere near worst in sports. its barely even a bad contract and just under what next years MLE would be.

24 years old and a 7 footer who shoots 37% from three.

your off on him as a terrible contract


Leonard shot 34% this season from downtown and 39% FG, 51% TS 9 PER rating, negatives across the board on both ends. The dude is garbage Prok.

Portland can keep all of their trash.


37% from three for his career. on some decent volume. still a young player...

and even if you do think he is trash 3/30 is peanuts... nowhere near "worst contract in sports" or even 20 worst in the NBA

And no one is giving away mid 1st's these days anyway, eating that contract is well worth it to get the 15th to 17th pick imho.
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Re: This offseason 

Post#311 » by vincecarter4pres » Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:41 am

Curns13 wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:Booker/Hamilton/Boston pick for Myers Leonard/Portland pick?

Follow it up with 16/22/Whitehead for 9th?

So you wanna turn Booker, Hamilton, Whitehead, the 22nd pick and 27th pick into Myers Leonard and the 9th pick? No thanks. Booker is worth a late first rounder (like Bogs was) and Hamilton should get us a 2nd. That's 3 picks in the 20's and a second rounder plus Whitehead's upside to get the 9th. Just don't see the value there.

The value is the 9th pick, these don't just grow on trees.

I don't think Booker is worth a late first unless there's a smaller bad contract coming back. Hamilton is worth nothing, he's neutral value, only his height will even keep him in the league after this contract is up.

Late picks are nice on paper and all and with a good scouting team and management you can strike gold, but the level of prospect available at 9 is infinitely better than those in the 20's and later as an in general.

It's better to hit on 1 Gordon Hayward, DeMar DeRozan, Kawhi Leonard, Dirk Nowitzki, Klay Thompson, etc., then to wind up with a trifecta of Taj Gibson, Batum and Morrow and this just assumes we hit on all the picks. This team still lacks a lot of big time talent, overall and the 9th pick in a draft like this gives our front office a much better chance of landing that guy.

For every Jimmy Butler in the late draft there are literally 100+ busts, where as in the last 20 drafts just at pick 9, forget anyone drafted after the 9th pick, up to say 17 where there was a reasonable argument they could have went 9th in their draft without even using hindsight, there are 4 legitimate franchise players, a couple fringe franchise guys, an additional 3 perennial All Stars, another All Star type and a couple rotation players/starters and a few guys who are still on rookie deal and might blow up. So out of the last 20 9th overall picks, we're looking at 12 hits, a number of them major hits and 2 or 3 additional guys who the jury is still out on.

Franchise Players at 9th:
Dirk Nowitzki
Amar'e Stoudemire
Tracy McGrady
Gordon Hayward

Fringe Franchise Players at 9th:
DeMarr DeRozan
Kemba Walker

Perennial All Stars at 9th:
Shawn Marion
Andre Iguodala
Joakim Noah

All Star Type Player at 9th:
Andre Drummond

Rotation Player/Starter Type at 9th:
Joel Przybilla
D.J. Augustin

Jury's Still Out Players at 9th:
Jake Poeltl
Frank Kaminsky
Noah Vonleh


Give me the 9th pick please.
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Post#312 » by shakendfries » Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:56 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:
Curns13 wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:Booker/Hamilton/Boston pick for Myers Leonard/Portland pick?

Follow it up with 16/22/Whitehead for 9th?

So you wanna turn Booker, Hamilton, Whitehead, the 22nd pick and 27th pick into Myers Leonard and the 9th pick? No thanks. Booker is worth a late first rounder (like Bogs was) and Hamilton should get us a 2nd. That's 3 picks in the 20's and a second rounder plus Whitehead's upside to get the 9th. Just don't see the value there.

The value is the 9th pick, these don't just grow on trees.

I don't think Booker is worth a late first unless there's a smaller bad contract coming back. Hamilton is worth nothing, he's neutral value, only his height will even keep him in the league after this contract is up.

Late picks are nice on paper and all and with a good scouting team and management you can strike gold, but the level of prospect available at 9 is infinitely better than those in the 20's and later as an in general.

It's better to hit on 1 Gordon Hayward, DeMar DeRozan, Kawhi Leonard, Dirk Nowitzki, Klay Thompson, etc., then to wind up with a trifecta of Taj Gibson, Batum and Morrow and this just assumes we hit on all the picks. This team still lacks a lot of big time talent, overall and the 9th pick in a draft like this gives our front office a much better chance of landing that guy.

For every Jimmy Butler in the late draft there are literally 100+ busts, where as in the last 20 drafts just at pick 9, forget anyone drafted after the 9th pick, up to say 17 where there was a reasonable argument they could have went 9th in their draft without even using hindsight, there are 4 legitimate franchise players, a couple fringe franchise guys, an additional 3 perennial All Stars, another All Star type and a couple rotation players/starters and a few guys who are still on rookie deal and might blow up. So out of the last 20 9th overall picks, we're looking at 12 hits, a number of them major hits and 2 or 3 additional guys who the jury is still out on.

Give me the 9th pick please.


Idk I say bank on a guy you know has an NBA skillset as opposed to hoping a Zipser or Bogdan becomes Petro. If Marks and the scouting team think Collins is a legitimate NBA 4, I hope they'll do what they can to get him. I like the idea of hitting singles and double as opposed to rolling the dice on the hope someone becomes a superstar.

I'd take a player projected to be the next Taj Gibson over a bust like Hezonja any day. At least Gibson is solid night in and night out & works hard on both ends of the court. I was hype over Malcolm Delaney last off-season, and lo and behold he's trash. There are a lot of scrubs overseas...remember the Hezonja hype?

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Post#313 » by Vae Victus » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:43 am

Marks will look for another Caris Levert type, more NBA ready, older, with certain needed skillset, and under the radar until Marks "reaches" for him. The other picks will be stashes, assuming he picks up like 2 FAs and doesnt cut half of the team.

I also envision one of Booker and/or SKil to be used as pick slot trade up bait. RHJ has likely shown enough that Marks will keep him around for Kenny to develop unless the team can REALLY move up a bunch of slots if they use him along with the BOS or WAS pick.
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Re: This offseason 

Post#314 » by Prokorov » Thu Apr 13, 2017 12:08 pm

IF we can package 22/27 to move up to 15-18 to get patton i think we should do it... he has real potential to be a 2-way allstar center
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Post#315 » by twosevenstreet » Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:24 pm

Paradise wrote:I think Marks will opt for Teodosic depending on how FA goes. If the market is too high for George Hill or Jrue Holiday then I could see him paying Teodosic an entry level amount to be that secondary ballhandler and use the rest of the money on SG depth.




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Who do you see being cut/traded?
Spread Em and Dead em.
-Sad DLO is gone
-Allen will become LobCity DJ
-Kyrie will be top 3 for MVP if we get to 50+ wins, he will average 27ppg, 7apg, shooting 50-40-90
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Re: This offseason 

Post#316 » by twosevenstreet » Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:28 pm

Every time I watch Teodosic vs Team USA I am dumbfounded with how easily he cooked Team USA's best defenders.

Imagine that dude in the Randy Foye role
Spread Em and Dead em.
-Sad DLO is gone
-Allen will become LobCity DJ
-Kyrie will be top 3 for MVP if we get to 50+ wins, he will average 27ppg, 7apg, shooting 50-40-90
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Post#317 » by Paradise » Fri Apr 14, 2017 1:11 am

twosevenstreet wrote:
Paradise wrote:I think Marks will opt for Teodosic depending on how FA goes. If the market is too high for George Hill or Jrue Holiday then I could see him paying Teodosic an entry level amount to be that secondary ballhandler and use the rest of the money on SG depth.




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Who do you see being cut/traded?

Traded: Nicholson, Hamilton, Kilpatrick
Waive/Walk: Foye, Harris

Two 1st round prospects, one bargain contract (Teodosic?), one max contract (KCP/Porter/Hill) and two minimum signings.

Lin/Teodosic/IW
Hill/Dinwiddie/Goodwin
LeVert/Kurucs(?)/KJ
RHJ/Booker/Acy
Lopez/Giles
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Re: This offseason 

Post#318 » by Roy Tarpley » Fri Apr 14, 2017 2:48 am

Nowitzki is playing next year which means less money for Noel.
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Post#319 » by pickIBL » Fri Apr 14, 2017 7:10 pm

Synder coached Milos in Europe. He's been linked to mainly the Spurs and Jazz. He's been clear that he will only play for a winner.

Deandre Kane is probably more realistic. Teo's teammate Kyle Hines is coming off his contract. He can play.
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Re: This offseason 

Post#320 » by jbeachboy » Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:30 pm

teodosic wants to start though?

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