Around the NBA, 2016-17 Season thread

[Paradise]

One thing that has REALLY stuck out to me so far this postseason:

EVERYONE traps/double/shows on pick and rolls. Thats one of the big things that seperates us from the really good defensive teams. their Bigs can trap, doulbe, or show. With Lopez/Hamilton we watch our PGs get setroiyed on sceens and have to fight over them while the big sags 10 feet off.

We need to find the future defensive anchor of this team. Look at the impact thon maker had yestarday. We need to find a way to get justin patton

Patton or Collins - they both have the physical frame & potential. Thon Maker is proof that you gotta have some foresight into who the player you're drafting has the potential to become

Don't sleep on Jarrett Allen. He just screams 'San Antonio' culture from his game and his overall demeanor. I think he's the best option aside from Patton. My half cousin, Shaka Smart coached him well down in Texas.




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[NyCeEvO]

I don't see a team within that pick range taking back anything we have to offer. Especially Lopez on a 1 year rental. Teams that can afford to piss away a pick like that are picking in the range where we're already at now.

I agree though. We need to get our future C in this draft and shift that position to one where it doesn't kill us defensively, we will never win with Lopez's feet glued to the floor while guards get wrecked on screens, its nauseating to see how other teams jump those screens while we always give up clean jumpers to guards. We cannot afford to wait til 2019 to do it. Marks has another tall task in front of him come draft night.

Patton is still slotted in that late teens range.

I still think a 22/27/Booker for Myers Leonard/Harris/15/19 could have some legs and again, that is why I do a trade like that in a heartbeat. I know Leonard's contract is awful, but it's not that huge overall and like Prok has mentioned, as deep as this draft is, to me there is a big talent difference in the late lotto to late teens range in comparison to where our picks are.

If we could somehow walk away from this draft with 2 guys out of say Ntilikina, DSJ, Zach Collins, Anunoby, Patton, Donovan Mitchell and Terrance Ferguson, we'd be in good shape, but as it stands right now, we'll be lucky if just one of those guys falls to 22.

Like, I don't even think Mitchell lasts until 22 in all reality, but him or Ferguson are the most likely to slip and Ferguson is raw as hell, though he has carved out a small role in a man's league already.

I think you get to the 15 and 19, I think you can get into the top 10(Sacto's 2nd pick is 10) for Whitehead and eating Gay's contract for maybe Hamilton and still keep one of those 2 picks.

That's huge.

Say windup with the 10th and 15th(or 19th) overall picks in this draft without giving up anything of real value other than cap room for the next couple years(and not even a lot of it), while preserving the ability to offer a max contract this off-season or next?

These are the moves that set us up for the future. I don't know if they're completely realistic, but these aren't crazy pipe dream fodder either.

yeah big drop off IMO from 15-19 to 20-29....

As far as portland i dont see them moving any picks to a team unless crabbe and/or turner are going out the other end. if your portland and your over the tax you're better off keeping the picks and getting rookie scale guys, waiting a year for those deals to look a bit better and trading them in the future.

Leonard is 3/30. it doesnt give them much relief or under the tax. it saves them cash but doesnt get them out of the repeater which i think is needed for them to move a pick

Personally, I feel like Robert Covington is poised to break out depending on the system he's in. He's younger than Booker, a better ballhandler, and an actual threat from 3 point range.

He's the type of player that I would've given a $10mil/yr deal to and would've been confident that PHI wouldn't match IF they hadn't traded away Noel AND IF Embiid didn't get injured.

Maybe since they still have Okafor, it's possible that they wouldn't match such a deal but that's what I'd do.

Trade Booker for picks/cap space and get Covington on a relatively cheap-ish deal. He's got all of the tools to be a better attacking Thad Young who can actually play a bit of defense.

I guarantee that if we gave him a 4yr/$40-50mil deal and got Kenny and his staff to work with him, he'd be a stretch 4 stud with some solid PnR defense in 2 years time.

[vincecarter4pres]

I don't see a team within that pick range taking back anything we have to offer. Especially Lopez on a 1 year rental. Teams that can afford to piss away a pick like that are picking in the range where we're already at now.

I agree though. We need to get our future C in this draft and shift that position to one where it doesn't kill us defensively, we will never win with Lopez's feet glued to the floor while guards get wrecked on screens, its nauseating to see how other teams jump those screens while we always give up clean jumpers to guards. We cannot afford to wait til 2019 to do it. Marks has another tall task in front of him come draft night.

Patton is still slotted in that late teens range.

I still think a 22/27/Booker for Myers Leonard/Harris/15/19 could have some legs and again, that is why I do a trade like that in a heartbeat. I know Leonard's contract is awful, but it's not that huge overall and like Prok has mentioned, as deep as this draft is, to me there is a big talent difference in the late lotto to late teens range in comparison to where our picks are.

If we could somehow walk away from this draft with 2 guys out of say Ntilikina, DSJ, Zach Collins, Anunoby, Patton, Donovan Mitchell and Terrance Ferguson, we'd be in good shape, but as it stands right now, we'll be lucky if just one of those guys falls to 22.

Like, I don't even think Mitchell lasts until 22 in all reality, but him or Ferguson are the most likely to slip and Ferguson is raw as hell, though he has carved out a small role in a man's league already.

I think you get to the 15 and 19, I think you can get into the top 10(Sacto's 2nd pick is 10) for Whitehead and eating Gay's contract for maybe Hamilton and still keep one of those 2 picks.

That's huge.

Say windup with the 10th and 15th(or 19th) overall picks in this draft without giving up anything of real value other than cap room for the next couple years(and not even a lot of it), while preserving the ability to offer a max contract this off-season or next?

These are the moves that set us up for the future. I don't know if they're completely realistic, but these aren't crazy pipe dream fodder either.

My brother's best friend (and fellow groomsmen at his upcoming wedding) spent the year playing with Ferguson in Australia. He's raw but athletic as hell and seems like a pretty good kid. If we draft him i'll find out more info.

Sweet haha.

I personally like Ferguson a lot because I believe him to have a relatively high floor and yet has huge upside, even if it's a lot more likely he simply hits his floor.

Haven't seen him play much other from highlight and scouting videos, but even though he's raw and limited overall, he shows a decent amount of flashes of brilliance and just watching his normal play it looks that there's a very good chance he turns out to be the next Terrence Ross with better BBIQ, which is a very valuable and coveted type of player.

[Curns13]

Patton is still slotted in that late teens range.

I still think a 22/27/Booker for Myers Leonard/Harris/15/19 could have some legs and again, that is why I do a trade like that in a heartbeat. I know Leonard's contract is awful, but it's not that huge overall and like Prok has mentioned, as deep as this draft is, to me there is a big talent difference in the late lotto to late teens range in comparison to where our picks are.

If we could somehow walk away from this draft with 2 guys out of say Ntilikina, DSJ, Zach Collins, Anunoby, Patton, Donovan Mitchell and Terrance Ferguson, we'd be in good shape, but as it stands right now, we'll be lucky if just one of those guys falls to 22.

Like, I don't even think Mitchell lasts until 22 in all reality, but him or Ferguson are the most likely to slip and Ferguson is raw as hell, though he has carved out a small role in a man's league already.

I think you get to the 15 and 19, I think you can get into the top 10(Sacto's 2nd pick is 10) for Whitehead and eating Gay's contract for maybe Hamilton and still keep one of those 2 picks.

That's huge.

Say windup with the 10th and 15th(or 19th) overall picks in this draft without giving up anything of real value other than cap room for the next couple years(and not even a lot of it), while preserving the ability to offer a max contract this off-season or next?

These are the moves that set us up for the future. I don't know if they're completely realistic, but these aren't crazy pipe dream fodder either.

My brother's best friend (and fellow groomsmen at his upcoming wedding) spent the year playing with Ferguson in Australia. He's raw but athletic as hell and seems like a pretty good kid. If we draft him i'll find out more info.

Sweet haha.

I personally like Ferguson a lot because I believe him to have a relatively high floor and yet has huge upside, even if it's a lot more likely he simply hits his floor.

Haven't seen him play much other from highlight and scouting videos, but even though he's raw and limited overall, he shows a decent amount of flashes of brilliance and just watching his normal play it looks that there's a very good chance he turns out to be the next Terrence Ross with better BBIQ, which is a very valuable and coveted type of player.

He had quite a few highlight reel moments, but didn't play too much. It would have been good experience for him though. The NBL is a very physical league and he played for one of the leagues best coaches, an American called Joey Wright. His team finish with the league's best record but went out in round 2 of the playoffs so he wasn't playing behind scrubs.

[vincecarter4pres]

My brother's best friend (and fellow groomsmen at his upcoming wedding) spent the year playing with Ferguson in Australia. He's raw but athletic as hell and seems like a pretty good kid. If we draft him i'll find out more info.

Sweet haha.

I personally like Ferguson a lot because I believe him to have a relatively high floor and yet has huge upside, even if it's a lot more likely he simply hits his floor.

Haven't seen him play much other from highlight and scouting videos, but even though he's raw and limited overall, he shows a decent amount of flashes of brilliance and just watching his normal play it looks that there's a very good chance he turns out to be the next Terrence Ross with better BBIQ, which is a very valuable and coveted type of player.

He had quite a few highlight reel moments, but didn't play too much. It would have been good experience for him though. The NBL is a very physical league and he played for one of the leagues best coaches, an American called Joey Wright. His team finish with the league's best record but went out in round 2 of the playoffs so he wasn't playing behind scrubs.

This is the kind of stuff I've been reading on him as well on the draft board and it's nice you went into detail about the coach and playoffs as well. This is the stuff combined with the videos out there which make me really like him as a prospect.

Can see him winding up a Kittles type of player with more highlight reel dunks. Like a 12-15/4/2 kind of guy, whose efficient, deadly from deep and makes heady plays, plays great defense. Doesn't need the ball in his hands, can get hot and shoot you right into wins and even when he's off he isn't jacking a million shots so he won't shoot you out of the game either. Will probably take til his 3rd season to get there, but will be an OK contributor from day 1 for maybe 15 minutes per game. You think this is a solid evaluation?

So you're from or living in Australia?

[Curns13]

Sweet haha.

I personally like Ferguson a lot because I believe him to have a relatively high floor and yet has huge upside, even if it's a lot more likely he simply hits his floor.

Haven't seen him play much other from highlight and scouting videos, but even though he's raw and limited overall, he shows a decent amount of flashes of brilliance and just watching his normal play it looks that there's a very good chance he turns out to be the next Terrence Ross with better BBIQ, which is a very valuable and coveted type of player.

He had quite a few highlight reel moments, but didn't play too much. It would have been good experience for him though. The NBL is a very physical league and he played for one of the leagues best coaches, an American called Joey Wright. His team finish with the league's best record but went out in round 2 of the playoffs so he wasn't playing behind scrubs.

This is the kind of stuff I've been reading on him as well on the draft board and it's nice you went into detail about the coach and playoffs as well. This is the stuff combined with the videos out there which make me really like him as a prospect.

Can see him winding up a Kittles type of player with more highlight reel dunks. Like a 12-15/4/2 kind of guy, whose efficient, deadly from deep and makes heady plays, plays great defense. Doesn't need the ball in his hands, can get hot and shoot you right into wins and even when he's off he isn't jacking a million shots so he won't shoot you out of the game either. Will probably take til his 3rd season to get there, but will be an OK contributor from day 1 for maybe 15 minutes per game. You think this is a solid evaluation?

So you're from or living in Australia?

Yeah, Australian in Australia. I think it'll take him time. I don't really see him contributing next year. He only played 15 minutes a game in a fairly diluted league. I honestly don't know what to think about him. He is long and athletic but i'm not sure how you compare him to guys who played a year in college. His predraft workouts will be very telling.

[vincecarter4pres]

He had quite a few highlight reel moments, but didn't play too much. It would have been good experience for him though. The NBL is a very physical league and he played for one of the leagues best coaches, an American called Joey Wright. His team finish with the league's best record but went out in round 2 of the playoffs so he wasn't playing behind scrubs.

This is the kind of stuff I've been reading on him as well on the draft board and it's nice you went into detail about the coach and playoffs as well. This is the stuff combined with the videos out there which make me really like him as a prospect.

Can see him winding up a Kittles type of player with more highlight reel dunks. Like a 12-15/4/2 kind of guy, whose efficient, deadly from deep and makes heady plays, plays great defense. Doesn't need the ball in his hands, can get hot and shoot you right into wins and even when he's off he isn't jacking a million shots so he won't shoot you out of the game either. Will probably take til his 3rd season to get there, but will be an OK contributor from day 1 for maybe 15 minutes per game. You think this is a solid evaluation?

So you're from or living in Australia?

Yeah, Australian in Australia. I think it'll take him time. I don't really see him contributing next year. He only played 15 minutes a game in a fairly diluted league. I honestly don't know what to think about him. He is long and athletic but i'm not sure how you compare him to guys who played a year in college. His predraft workouts will be very telling.

Yeah, this is all true, he does look really raw. Was thinking the same, as to he's going to be a make or break by the workouts and interviews.

[Prokorov]

One thing that has REALLY stuck out to me so far this postseason:

EVERYONE traps/double/shows on pick and rolls. Thats one of the big things that seperates us from the really good defensive teams. their Bigs can trap, doulbe, or show. With Lopez/Hamilton we watch our PGs get setroiyed on sceens and have to fight over them while the big sags 10 feet off.

We need to find the future defensive anchor of this team. Look at the impact thon maker had yestarday. We need to find a way to get justin patton

Patton or Collins - they both have the physical frame & potential. Thon Maker is proof that you gotta have some foresight into who the player you're drafting has the potential to become

Don't sleep on Jarrett Allen. He just screams 'San Antonio' culture from his game and his overall demeanor. I think he's the best option aside from Patton. My half cousin, Shaka Smart coached him well down in Texas.




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Isnt he going top 10-12 though?

[Prokorov]

Personally, I feel like Robert Covington is poised to break out depending on the system he's in. He's younger than Booker, a better ballhandler, and an actual threat from 3 point range.

He's the type of player that I would've given a $10mil/yr deal to and would've been confident that PHI wouldn't match IF they hadn't traded away Noel AND IF Embiid didn't get injured.

Maybe since they still have Okafor, it's possible that they wouldn't match such a deal but that's what I'd do.

Trade Booker for picks/cap space and get Covington on a relatively cheap-ish deal. He's got all of the tools to be a better attacking Thad Young who can actually play a bit of defense.

I guarantee that if we gave him a 4yr/$40-50mil deal and got Kenny and his staff to work with him, he'd be a stretch 4 stud with some solid PnR defense in 2 years time.

Yea im big on convington and said in the other thread id take him over porter or KCP without hesitation. Guy is the best defender in the league among wings and super versatile. and i think the most offensive upside of the 3 guys,

Cant see covington going cheap. 76ers have an option and next year he will be looking at 22+ million per year

[CalamityX12]

Joe Johnson is clutch.

[Curns13]

Joe Johnson is clutch.

Its a double edged sword. The same mentality that means he hasn't cared about wins and losses at times throughout his career, helps him stay cool under pressure.

[shakendfries]

Assuming that both Carmelo and Blake would be willing to adjust their game to fit along with their new teammates, which team would be better-

Carmelo Anthony on the Rockets (Harden, Beverley, Ariza, Melo, Capella)
Blake Griffin on the Thunder (Westbrook, Oladipo ,Roberson,Griffin, Adams)

[MrDollarBills]

Harden is not going to play with Anthony.

[Prokorov]

Assuming that both Carmelo and Blake would be willing to adjust their game to fit along with their new teammates, which team would be better-

Carmelo Anthony on the Rockets (Harden, Beverley, Ariza, Melo, Capella)
Blake Griffin on the Thunder (Westbrook, Oladipo ,Roberson,Griffin, Adams)

to me carmello would negatively impact the rockets

[shakendfries]

Harden is not going to play with Anthony.

Anthony would most definitely have to concede his role to the spot up scorer role he has played so well in at the Olympics. I know Anthony had a not-amazing relationship with D'Antoni, but I honestly don't see any other destination that could work. Maybe playing the 4 in Washintgton? (Wall, Beal, Porter, Melo, Gortat)

[Prokorov]

Harden is not going to play with Anthony.

Anthony would most definitely have to concede his role to the spot up scorer role he has played so well in at the Olympics. I know Anthony had a not-amazing relationship with D'Antoni, but I honestly don't see any other destination that could work. Maybe playing the 4 in Washintgton? (Wall, Beal, Porter, Melo, Gortat)

which is why the only way he gets traded is to a team with a GM on his way out who needs to make a last ditch effort. maybe the clippers if blake leaves

[CalamityX12]

Assuming that both Carmelo and Blake would be willing to adjust their game to fit along with their new teammates, which team would be better-

Carmelo Anthony on the Rockets (Harden, Beverley, Ariza, Melo, Capella)
Blake Griffin on the Thunder (Westbrook, Oladipo ,Roberson,Griffin, Adams)

Westbrook and OKC needs to distance themselves from additional bigs...

Westbrook and OKC, IMO, need help scoring on the outside rather than a cluster of bigs.

[FlipFlopShot]

Houston wouldn't want Melo. The last thing they want is to pay max salary for more 3 point shooting.

[spaceballer]

So apparently ESPN is saying that the Nets victory over the Knicks on March 12th set off an R-rated shouting match in the Knicks locker room between Melo, Hornacek, and Rambis, with Melo's R-rated rant directed at the entire Knicks organization after the loss to the Nets. The Nets broke the Knicks

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19144233/nba-possible-end-carmelo-anthony-era-new-york

[shakendfries]

So apparently ESPN is saying that the Nets victory over the Knicks on March 12th set off an R-rated shouting match in the Knicks locker room between Melo, Hornacek, and Rambis, with Melo's R-rated rant directed at the entire Knicks organization after the loss to the Nets. The Nets broke the Knicks

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19144233/nba-possible-end-carmelo-anthony-era-new-york

shidd, the Nets are lowkey the reason the Cavs even won the chip last year

Don't evade the language filter.

-NyCe