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Re: Pick #25: confirmed 

Post#61 » by yoyojw17 » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:22 pm

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I think he is much better suited at the C position in today's league. His skills would be put to better use there.

I am a fan of this guys game and I think he could turn into a solid rotation player in time. I'd be all for taking a dynamic playmaker/scorer with our main pick, then choosing Anžejs Pasečņiks with our second 1st rounder.


I think he could take biyombo s minutes


so lets draft another C when we already have 3 on the roster? Even if we traded Vuc I would much rather go after a guy like Ezeli and use 25th pick on a backup PF (Motley, Rabb, Swanigan) or BEST SHOOTER AVAILABLE..

Ezeli better be coming on the cheap cheap..... like discount price at Ross cheap. lol
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Re: Pick #25: confirmed 

Post#62 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:29 pm

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Patrick1978 wrote:I think he could take biyombo s minutes


so lets draft another C when we already have 3 on the roster? Even if we traded Vuc I would much rather go after a guy like Ezeli and use 25th pick on a backup PF (Motley, Rabb, Swanigan) or BEST SHOOTER AVAILABLE..

Ezeli better be coming on the cheap cheap..... like discount price at Ross cheap. lol


Ezeli was making 7.4 mil this year, after a knee surgery & as long as everything checks out ok I could see him falling in 5-7 mil range again.
A scoring guard.. never heard of one. :roll:
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Re: Pick #25: confirmed 

Post#63 » by drsd » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:44 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:so lets draft another C when we already have 3 on the roster? Even if we traded Vuc I would much rather go after a guy like Ezeli and use 25th pick on a backup PF (Motley, Rabb, Swanigan) or BEST SHOOTER AVAILABLE..


Depth wise, the Magic needs a wing and a 3rd string PG. Dependent on the high-1st, the team could need PF depth as well.

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Re: Pick #25: confirmed 

Post#64 » by yoyojw17 » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:56 pm

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so lets draft another C when we already have 3 on the roster? Even if we traded Vuc I would much rather go after a guy like Ezeli and use 25th pick on a backup PF (Motley, Rabb, Swanigan) or BEST SHOOTER AVAILABLE..

Ezeli better be coming on the cheap cheap..... like discount price at Ross cheap. lol


Ezeli was making 7.4 mil this year, after a knee surgery & as long as everything checks out ok I could see him falling in 5-7 mil range again.

If he is doing well... he will try and sign a cheaper 1 year deal.... maybe with options in order that he can show out in a healthy year and re-establish his value. And he will probably have to do that for a team that needs him as a primary back up. lol... i can see NY offering him a contract.
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Re: Pick #25: confirmed 

Post#65 » by fendilim » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:10 pm

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I think he is much better suited at the C position in today's league. His skills would be put to better use there.

I am a fan of this guys game and I think he could turn into a solid rotation player in time. I'd be all for taking a dynamic playmaker/scorer with our main pick, then choosing Anžejs Pasečņiks with our second 1st rounder.


I think he could take biyombo s minutes


so lets draft another C when we already have 3 on the roster? Even if we traded Vuc I would much rather go after a guy like Ezeli and use 25th pick on a backup PF (Motley, Rabb, Swanigan) or BEST SHOOTER AVAILABLE..

I don't see any reason why we should pass up on him if he is the BPA with our pick. None of our guys are irreplaceable.
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Re: Pick #25: confirmed 

Post#66 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:30 pm

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Patrick1978 wrote:I think he could take biyombo s minutes


so lets draft another C when we already have 3 on the roster? Even if we traded Vuc I would much rather go after a guy like Ezeli and use 25th pick on a backup PF (Motley, Rabb, Swanigan) or BEST SHOOTER AVAILABLE..

I don't see any reason why we should pass up on him if he is the BPA with our pick. None of our guys are irreplaceable.


I just don't see any possible option where a C would be BPA (unless we trade Vuc/Biyombo) I really don't think either of them are getting traded but who knows.

Needs IMO (most to least) SF Starter, PF depth, Starting or Backup PG, SG Depth.
A scoring guard.. never heard of one. :roll:
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Re: Pick #25: confirmed 

Post#67 » by fendilim » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:33 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
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MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
so lets draft another C when we already have 3 on the roster? Even if we traded Vuc I would much rather go after a guy like Ezeli and use 25th pick on a backup PF (Motley, Rabb, Swanigan) or BEST SHOOTER AVAILABLE..

I don't see any reason why we should pass up on him if he is the BPA with our pick. None of our guys are irreplaceable.


I just don't see any possible option where a C would be BPA (unless we trade Vuc/Biyombo) I really don't think either of them are getting traded but who knows.

Needs IMO (most to least) SF Starter, PF depth, Starting or Backup PG, SG Depth.
Then you're talking about team needs and not BPA.
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Re: Pick #25: confirmed 

Post#68 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:51 pm

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fendilim wrote:I don't see any reason why we should pass up on him if he is the BPA with our pick. None of our guys are irreplaceable.


I just don't see any possible option where a C would be BPA (unless we trade Vuc/Biyombo) I really don't think either of them are getting traded but who knows.

Needs IMO (most to least) SF Starter, PF depth, Starting or Backup PG, SG Depth.
Then you're talking about team needs and not BPA.


BPA + Where Magic picks are + Magic team needs are pretty damn close for this draft.
Looking at multiple Mock Drafts IMO magic would be smart to nab SF at 5, then grab SG/PG at 25 and then go PF at 33/35.
A scoring guard.. never heard of one. :roll:
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Re: Pick #25: confirmed 

Post#69 » by Blue_and_Whte » Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:16 pm

Yeah Jonathan Motely for me if he's still around. Older (22) and lower ceiling but I think he can offer something right away off the bench.
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Re: Pick #25: confirmed 

Post#70 » by King- » Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:23 pm

This kids stock was already rising, now I guess he dropped 24, here's his latest video from today:

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/bogdan-karaicic-takes-a-closer-look-at-anzejs-pasecniks24-points-perfo-5905/


A player with his size/skillset would be nice going forward, I hope we give him a hard look, but I have a feeling he'll finish in the top 20.
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Post#71 » by King- » Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:26 pm

I just really hope we manage to get 3-4 in the lottery, the worst possible thing to happen would be to get 5th and end up with Foxx- there is a huge drop off between JJ/Tatum and Foxx, IMO.

I'm praying for Jackson, he's a franchise changer, I think, more so then Tatum. If we end up with 5, or JJ/Jackson are gone and the BPA is Foxx, I'd rather just trade the pick for the best package and move down a few spots and get Ntikilina, if anything, if we're going to draft a PG.
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Post#72 » by Bensational » Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:37 pm

King- wrote:I just really hope we manage to get 3-4 in the lottery, the worst possible thing to happen would be to get 5th and end up with Foxx- there is a huge drop off between JJ/Tatum and Foxx, IMO.

I'm praying for Jackson, he's a franchise changer, I think, more so then Tatum. If we end up with 5, or JJ/Jackson are gone and the BPA is Foxx, I'd rather just trade the pick for the best package and move down a few spots and get Ntikilina, if anything, if we're going to draft a PG.


We can't get 3-4. Only top 3 spots are up for grabs in the lottery. If we miss out on one of those, we get 5th at the very most, possibly drop to 7th if things go real badly and we get jumped by a couple other teams behind us.
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Re: Pick #25: confirmed 

Post#73 » by King- » Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:43 am

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King- wrote:I just really hope we manage to get 3-4 in the lottery, the worst possible thing to happen would be to get 5th and end up with Foxx- there is a huge drop off between JJ/Tatum and Foxx, IMO.

I'm praying for Jackson, he's a franchise changer, I think, more so then Tatum. If we end up with 5, or JJ/Jackson are gone and the BPA is Foxx, I'd rather just trade the pick for the best package and move down a few spots and get Ntikilina, if anything, if we're going to draft a PG.


We can't get 3-4. Only top 3 spots are up for grabs in the lottery. If we miss out on one of those, we get 5th at the very most, possibly drop to 7th if things go real badly and we get jumped by a couple other teams behind us.


Huh? What do you mean? Sorry, not being sarcastic, I really didn't understand. What do you mean only top 3 spots are up for grabs? Why couldn't we get the 4th pick? Unless the rules changed, we most certainly can.

Obviously there's odds... but when I do the draft lottery on 2k, any team could mathematically get any pick from 1-16, regardless of the odds.

Unless you forgot the green font lol :)
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Re: Pick #25: confirmed 

Post#74 » by Bensational » Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:49 am

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King- wrote:I just really hope we manage to get 3-4 in the lottery, the worst possible thing to happen would be to get 5th and end up with Foxx- there is a huge drop off between JJ/Tatum and Foxx, IMO.

I'm praying for Jackson, he's a franchise changer, I think, more so then Tatum. If we end up with 5, or JJ/Jackson are gone and the BPA is Foxx, I'd rather just trade the pick for the best package and move down a few spots and get Ntikilina, if anything, if we're going to draft a PG.


We can't get 3-4. Only top 3 spots are up for grabs in the lottery. If we miss out on one of those, we get 5th at the very most, possibly drop to 7th if things go real badly and we get jumped by a couple other teams behind us.


Huh? What do you mean? Sorry, not being sarcastic, I really didn't understand. What do you mean only top 3 spots are up for grabs? Why couldn't we get the 4th pick? Unless the rules changed, we most certainly can.

Obviously there's odds... but when I do the draft lottery on 2k, any team could mathematically get any pick from 1-16, regardless of the odds.

Unless you forgot the green font lol :)


No, that's just the rules of the NBA draft lottery and has been since the 80's? Top 3 spots are available for anyone to get, with odds weighted to favour the teams with the worst records, but everyone still has a 'chance'. After that, the draft is sorted by record.

We finished 5th worst, so the only spots available to us are a Top 3 spot, and if we miss out on that then we can get 5th, unless a team from behind us jumps up into the top 3, which will result in pushing us down to 6th. If 2 teams from behind us jump into the top 3, we will get pushed down 2 spots to #7.
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Re: Pick #25: confirmed 

Post#75 » by tiderulz » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:49 am

King- wrote:
Bensational wrote:
King- wrote:I just really hope we manage to get 3-4 in the lottery, the worst possible thing to happen would be to get 5th and end up with Foxx- there is a huge drop off between JJ/Tatum and Foxx, IMO.

I'm praying for Jackson, he's a franchise changer, I think, more so then Tatum. If we end up with 5, or JJ/Jackson are gone and the BPA is Foxx, I'd rather just trade the pick for the best package and move down a few spots and get Ntikilina, if anything, if we're going to draft a PG.


We can't get 3-4. Only top 3 spots are up for grabs in the lottery. If we miss out on one of those, we get 5th at the very most, possibly drop to 7th if things go real badly and we get jumped by a couple other teams behind us.


Huh? What do you mean? Sorry, not being sarcastic, I really didn't understand. What do you mean only top 3 spots are up for grabs? Why couldn't we get the 4th pick? Unless the rules changed, we most certainly can.

Obviously there's odds... but when I do the draft lottery on 2k, any team could mathematically get any pick from 1-16, regardless of the odds.

Unless you forgot the green font lol :)


read this, it may help you.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/5/17/11689028/nba-draft-lottery-2016-rules-how-works
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Re: Pick #25: confirmed 

Post#76 » by drsd » Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:00 pm

Bensational wrote:If we miss out on one of those, we get 5th at the very most, possibly drop to 7th if things go real badly and we get jumped by a couple other teams behind us.


There is even a 0.4% chance of the Magic drafting 8th, of all things. :o



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Re: Pick #25: confirmed 

Post#77 » by Blue_and_Whte » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:44 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
Patrick1978 wrote:
Melvinlocker wrote:
I think he is much better suited at the C position in today's league. His skills would be put to better use there.

I am a fan of this guys game and I think he could turn into a solid rotation player in time. I'd be all for taking a dynamic playmaker/scorer with our main pick, then choosing Anžejs Pasečņiks with our second 1st rounder.


I think he could take biyombo s minutes


so lets draft another C when we already have 3 on the roster? Even if we traded Vuc I would much rather go after a guy like Ezeli and use 25th pick on a backup PF (Motley, Rabb, Swanigan) or BEST SHOOTER AVAILABLE..

We have Vuc and Biyombo at center, Zimmerman is trash. I'd go after Motley because imo you draft for need at that point and we need a back up 4.

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
fendilim wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
I just don't see any possible option where a C would be BPA (unless we trade Vuc/Biyombo) I really don't think either of them are getting traded but who knows.

Needs IMO (most to least) SF Starter, PF depth, Starting or Backup PG, SG Depth.
Then you're talking about team needs and not BPA.


BPA + Where Magic picks are + Magic team needs are pretty damn close for this draft.
Looking at multiple Mock Drafts IMO magic would be smart to nab SF at 5, then grab SG/PG at 25 and then go PF at 33/35.

I dont agree with this. If we stand pat with Fournier and Ross then I would go BPA at 5, PF @ 25 because I think there could be some guys there whos skill set would translate. Idc about #35 tbh.
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Re: Pick #25: confirmed 

Post#78 » by King- » Sat Apr 29, 2017 3:26 pm

Bensational wrote:
King- wrote:
Bensational wrote:
We can't get 3-4. Only top 3 spots are up for grabs in the lottery. If we miss out on one of those, we get 5th at the very most, possibly drop to 7th if things go real badly and we get jumped by a couple other teams behind us.


Huh? What do you mean? Sorry, not being sarcastic, I really didn't understand. What do you mean only top 3 spots are up for grabs? Why couldn't we get the 4th pick? Unless the rules changed, we most certainly can.

Obviously there's odds... but when I do the draft lottery on 2k, any team could mathematically get any pick from 1-16, regardless of the odds.

Unless you forgot the green font lol :)


No, that's just the rules of the NBA draft lottery and has been since the 80's? Top 3 spots are available for anyone to get, with odds weighted to favour the teams with the worst records, but everyone still has a 'chance'. After that, the draft is sorted by record.

We finished 5th worst, so the only spots available to us are a Top 3 spot, and if we miss out on that then we can get 5th, unless a team from behind us jumps up into the top 3, which will result in pushing us down to 6th. If 2 teams from behind us jump into the top 3, we will get pushed down 2 spots to #7.



Wow, the more you know.

I had no idea it was like this :lol: I've been watching NBA since I was a little kid and I would have never in my life thought that only top 3 picks go by true lottery. Kinda defeats the purpose of a lottery, IMO. So, aside from the top 3 picks, its basically the NFL draft.... lame. But this makes sense as to why we got two #5 picks in a row lol

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