Trade Post-Mortem 2017: Eight is Enough

[Curmudgeon]

Olynyk is restricted, so the Knicks can always keep him if they want. As for Brown, yes, I'd probably do it.

NBA doesn't work that way. KO can't be traded until after the draft as it would have to be a sign and trade.

Yep, that's right. It would have to be another player or group of players.

[sam_I_am]

Crowder is a one trick pony. Crowder either hits the three point shot or he is useless. His mid range game is awful and he is even worst taking the ball to the hoop. Nice role player but that's it.

If Ainge can package Crowder, Smart and the Brooklyn 2018 pick for a star he should do it in a heartbeat.

I sometimes feel that way too but when he moves to 4 he holds his own defensively and creates space offensively. When he and IT are on the floor together our team is at its best. He also is only player that brings both toughness and composure.

[CelticsPride18]

I think the only way Hayward woul consider joining us is if we came at the table with another Star(PG or Butler) on board.

[Captain_Caveman]

He's going to be more expensive over the long haul but Bradley reinforcing over and over again he's a much better player than Crowder.

AB's had great games 3 and 5, but I'm not seeing this at all.

Crowder has done virtually nothing this entire series.

His shooting is abysmal and is getting abused defensively by Wade.

Meanwhile Bradley has been the second best scorer on the C's behind Isaiah and has locked down Butler in 4 out of the 6 games, one of the two because he was in foul trouble for cheap, cheap calls.

Bradley has clearly been the second best player on the team, while Crowder has easily been one of the worst, and the most obvious disappointment.

Both are great complementary players to put around the stars we don't have yet. I too prefer Bradley, but Crowder is cost-controlled and as versatile defensively. On the real team, Crowder will probably be the first forward off the bench. His contract reflects that. We likely won't be able to afford to resign both Bradley and IT if we add stars the summer, and guess who likely goes there?

Based on the other thread we were just in, I am way more open to considering scenarios where it is Bradley instead of IT who stays, but you obviously don't just give IT away. Maybe there is a scenario or two where we resign both IT and Bradley, but that's unlikely unless we just stand pat, which I am fine with long-term based on the Nets picks, but it isn't good enough to win a title anytime soon.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

I don't think Porzingis for #1 is all that far-fetched. I've read in a couple of places that Phil covets Fultz. Maybe it's just hype, but maybe not.

My proposed draft night trade would be Olynyk, rights to Yabusele or Nader and #1 for Porzingis and #7. I think that helps both teams.

Phil would never be able to show his face at the Garden again.

Phil is probably ok with that. He's such a lazy GM. Isola kills him on NBA radio whenever he gets the chance. Part of me wonders if Phil will try to trade Porzingis this summer in an effort to get fired. You know he just wants to sit in his teepee in Montana, smoking peyote all day.

[Zaschrona]

Crowder, Bradley and BKN '17 pick for Paul George.
Sign Blake Griffin.
Re-sign IT.

IT/Rozier
Brown/Smart
George/Nader
Griffin/Yabusele
Horford/Zizic

[Fencer reregistered]

Crowder, Bradley and BKN '17 pick for Paul George.

If the pick is in the 3-4 range, that's not crazy.

[London2Boston]

The return of Blake Griffin to the Los Angeles Clippers in free agency is less certain than Chris Paul's, according to sources.

Griffin will be a free agent for the first time in his career this summer. Griffin signed a super-max extension in July of 2012 a year before he would have become a restricted free agent.

Griffin's personality could lend him to consider the decision privately instead of taking a series of public meetings.

The Clippers can offer Griffin one additional guaranteed season and 7.5 percent raises.

According to Steve Ballmer, the Clippers don't have any interest in blowing up their roster.

"I love those guys, and I want those guys back," Ballmer said.

KEVIN ARNOVITZ/ESPN

[Andrew McCeltic]

So after the false start, we beat the piss out of the Bulls. This ends Phil's "Maybe Boston will settle for Melo now" scenario, and possibly the Bulls' "Maybe our team isn't stuck" fantasy.

We can beat Washington. Don't know if we will, but we can.

So the lotto pick position is another domino to fall. But it looks like we'll go into the offseason with better leverage than Chicago, New York - and Atlanta, if we wanted Milsapp.

Hoping LA comes back to beat Utah, to help our chances of Gordon leaving.

But after superhero ball from PG, an 0-4 loss, and Bird stepping down as president, it looks like George will be the bullseye.

19.5 million salary on July 1, so you could theoretically swap a pick for him outright. We'd have plenty of flexibility to get him and add someone like Vucevic or Butler, too.

Should be interesting. Lakers will go hard at George, so could Sixers if they gamble. Lakers' pick is major variable.

[fallguy]

A quick we-told-you-so:

Holding off on Butler/George trades was the right move. Whatever they were worth then, they're worth less now.

[fallguy]

I'm also pro-Crowder but he's a *clear* tier below Bradley as a player on both sides of the ball. At least right now.

[ParticleMan]

bird stepping down is huge. makes a pg13 trade much more plausible. i think larry just didn't want to get taken by of all people danny ainge.

assuming we don't get fultz, i expect that we will try something like crowder+rozier+pick, plus a couple of sweeteners. or brown instead of the pick. that's low value but the pacers have to realize they aren't going anywhere with this group and pg13 wants out.

[robdog_5]

I also agree with Bird stepping down, the PG13 deal move makes more sense as something the Pacers would do. I'm not sure he's worth Bradley, Crowder and First pick unless it's #3 or 4. If it's the #1 or 2 pick I'd be more inclined to add NJ 18 and maybe a 2nd to see if that would be enough.

Heyward will be tough, but if the Clips win game 7 then Heyward maybe pretty frustrated. I think George Hill factors into things a lot there. He stays I think they will be able to convince Heyward to stay, he leaves I think Heyward is much more likely to look around.

[Celts17Pride]

Crowder, Bradley and BKN '17 pick for Paul George.

If the pick is in the 3-4 range, that's not crazy.

Trading Bradley in a Paul George trade makes no sense. You would want to end up with IT/AB/George backcourt.

And please don't anyone say Jaylen Brown or Fultz because they are light years away

[bucknersrevenge]

Crowder, Bradley and BKN '17 pick for Paul George.

If the pick is in the 3-4 range, that's not crazy.

Trading Bradley in a Paul George trade makes no sense. You would want to end up with IT/AB/George backcourt.

And please don't anyone say Jaylen Brown or Fultz because they are light years away

I think it would be Crowder and one of those two though because they are young and Indy would be starting over. Otherwise agree. Afterward you trade for or sign a vet big to play next to Al. then again, maybe you move AB if you don't want to pay him 18-20mil per after next season and you're wiling to open up space for Jaylen.

How does an IT/Jaylen/PG13 threesome strike you?

[Celts17Pride]

If the pick is in the 3-4 range, that's not crazy.

Trading Bradley in a Paul George trade makes no sense. You would want to end up with IT/AB/George backcourt.

And please don't anyone say Jaylen Brown or Fultz because they are light years away

I think it would be Crowder and one of those two though because they are young and Indy would be starting over. Otherwise agree. Afterward you trade for or sign a vet big to play next to Al. then again, maybe you move AB if you don't want to pay him 18-20mil per after next season and you're wiling to open up space for Jaylen.

How does an IT/Jaylen/PG13 threesome strike you?

Jaylen won't be ready for 3-4 years. IT and George are not going to wait that long

[Fencer reregistered]

bird stepping down is huge. makes a pg13 trade much more plausible. i think larry just didn't want to get taken by of all people danny ainge.

assuming we don't get fultz, i expect that we will try something like crowder+rozier+pick, plus a couple of sweeteners. or brown instead of the pick. that's low value but the pacers have to realize they aren't going anywhere with this group and pg13 wants out.

Best of both worlds, actually, if he really remains a consultant. You still have the trust between friends, but you don't have the ego of not wanting to do worse than the other, nor the ego of having chosen (and failed with) the previous strategy.

[lon3lytoaster]

Crowder, Bradley and BKN '17 pick for Paul George.
Sign Blake Griffin.
Re-sign IT.

IT/Rozier
Brown/Smart
George/Nader
Griffin/Yabusele
Horford/Zizic

Rather find a way to keep AB. I'd feel much better about our matchup with Steph/Durant and Kyrie /LeBron with both George and Bradley.

[Homerclease]

Crowder, Bradley and BKN '17 pick for Paul George.

If the pick is in the 3-4 range, that's not crazy.

Trading Bradley in a Paul George trade makes no sense. You would want to end up with IT/AB/George backcourt.

And please don't anyone say Jaylen Brown or Fultz because they are light years away

It makes sense if you're bringing in Hayward too.

Hayward/Brown
George/Smart
Thomas/Rozier

[Fencer reregistered]

Crowder, Bradley and BKN '17 pick for Paul George.

If the pick is in the 3-4 range, that's not crazy.

Trading Bradley in a Paul George trade makes no sense. You would want to end up with IT/AB/George backcourt.

And please don't anyone say Jaylen Brown or Fultz because they are light years away

I agree directionally, for both teams -- Indy should want our youngest talent, if they trade PG, and we should be biased that way too. Still, IT/Smart/Rozier/Brown isn't bad as the rest of the perimeter.

That said, I do want to keep Avery. Yes, he lacks star talent in ISO scoring. But he's a star to me even so, on and off the court alike.