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Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader

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Re: Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader 

Post#1481 » by Wes-J » Mon May 1, 2017 9:03 am

SeizeCoup wrote:Before each of their seasons started, my personal excitement (hype) rating went as follows:

Top
1. Brown
2. Nader
3. Yabusele
4. Zizic
5. Jackson
Bottom

After each of their past seasons, my personal excitement rating currently sits as follows:

Top
1. Yabusele
2. Zizic
3. Nader
4. Brown
5. Jackson
Bottom

I can't wait to see what the dancing bear can do in the NBA. I've always been on the Nader train, but Zizic jumped up for me.

The big thing for those three, is whether or not their games can translate to the size, athleticism, and strength of the NBA. They've pretty much dominated their competition... we shall see!


Brown was a top 3 pick and you saw how hard it was to get good run with Stevens and this group. How much PT would you realistic expect to see Yabusele get?? Yabs has his workout cut out for him learning the ropes of playing defense in Stevens system, so I don't really expect to him much if at all. I think the Mickey situation should provide a cautionary tale.
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Post#1482 » by 3D Chess » Mon May 1, 2017 1:06 pm

Nader above Brown is a reach too. Jaylen would have put up crazy numbers in the D-League.
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Post#1483 » by Homerclease » Mon May 1, 2017 1:21 pm

Wes-J wrote:
SeizeCoup wrote:Before each of their seasons started, my personal excitement (hype) rating went as follows:

Top
1. Brown
2. Nader
3. Yabusele
4. Zizic
5. Jackson
Bottom

After each of their past seasons, my personal excitement rating currently sits as follows:

Top
1. Yabusele
2. Zizic
3. Nader
4. Brown
5. Jackson
Bottom

I can't wait to see what the dancing bear can do in the NBA. I've always been on the Nader train, but Zizic jumped up for me.

The big thing for those three, is whether or not their games can translate to the size, athleticism, and strength of the NBA. They've pretty much dominated their competition... we shall see!


Brown was a top 3 pick and you saw how hard it was to get good run with Stevens and this group. How much PT would you realistic expect to see Yabusele get?? Yabs has his workout cut out for him learning the ropes of playing defense in Stevens system, so I don't really expect to him much if at all. I think the Mickey situation should provide a cautionary tale.

While I do agree with this overall sentiment, the stark difference is that the Celtics are far deeper and more talented in the wing as opposed to the front court. It's why I think Zizic is going to play a big role here next year
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Post#1484 » by smart_celtics » Mon May 1, 2017 2:49 pm

Homerclease wrote:
Wes-J wrote:
SeizeCoup wrote:Before each of their seasons started, my personal excitement (hype) rating went as follows:

Top
1. Brown
2. Nader
3. Yabusele
4. Zizic
5. Jackson
Bottom

After each of their past seasons, my personal excitement rating currently sits as follows:

Top
1. Yabusele
2. Zizic
3. Nader
4. Brown
5. Jackson
Bottom

I can't wait to see what the dancing bear can do in the NBA. I've always been on the Nader train, but Zizic jumped up for me.

The big thing for those three, is whether or not their games can translate to the size, athleticism, and strength of the NBA. They've pretty much dominated their competition... we shall see!


Brown was a top 3 pick and you saw how hard it was to get good run with Stevens and this group. How much PT would you realistic expect to see Yabusele get?? Yabs has his workout cut out for him learning the ropes of playing defense in Stevens system, so I don't really expect to him much if at all. I think the Mickey situation should provide a cautionary tale.

While I do agree with this overall sentiment, the stark difference is that the Celtics are far deeper and more talented in the wing as opposed to the front court. It's why I think Zizic is going to play a big role here next year


We have a lot of smaller wing talent but as us starting Gerald Green shows, we could use some bigger wings. Also the potential value of an above-average wing is such much higher than an above-average center, that I would still take Jaylen over Zizic. My opinion of Nader has faded over the year as his 3p% has faded. His defense is also still a question mark since the D-League is no place to evaluate that.
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Post#1485 » by Homerclease » Mon May 1, 2017 2:51 pm

smart_celtics wrote:
Homerclease wrote:
Wes-J wrote:
Brown was a top 3 pick and you saw how hard it was to get good run with Stevens and this group. How much PT would you realistic expect to see Yabusele get?? Yabs has his workout cut out for him learning the ropes of playing defense in Stevens system, so I don't really expect to him much if at all. I think the Mickey situation should provide a cautionary tale.

While I do agree with this overall sentiment, the stark difference is that the Celtics are far deeper and more talented in the wing as opposed to the front court. It's why I think Zizic is going to play a big role here next year


We have a lot of smaller wing talent but as us starting Gerald Green shows, we could use some bigger wings. Also the potential value of an above-average wing is such much higher than an above-average center, that I would still take Jaylen over Zizic. My opinion of Nader has faded over the year as his 3p% has faded. His defense is also still a question mark since the D-League is no place to evaluate that.

One would have to think that Jaylen Brown should be ready for more minutes next season though. Green is a necessary evil this year, he shouldn't be next year. Brown should be seeing 20-25 minutes a night next year
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Post#1486 » by Gant » Mon May 1, 2017 6:37 pm

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Post#1488 » by C-West » Mon May 1, 2017 9:06 pm

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This tweet raised a question for me. Is Yabusele allowed to actually practice WITH the team? Anything preventing that?
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Post#1489 » by SMTBSI » Mon May 1, 2017 10:49 pm

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This tweet raised a question for me. Is Yabusele allowed to actually practice WITH the team? Anything preventing that?

Don't see why not. :dontknow:

If they invited you or I (or a rival player) in to shoot around in the practice facility, would there be anything preventing that? Just a building with a basketball court.
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Post#1490 » by smart_celtics » Tue May 2, 2017 1:22 am

SMTBSI wrote:
C-West wrote:
Gant wrote:
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This tweet raised a question for me. Is Yabusele allowed to actually practice WITH the team? Anything preventing that?

Don't see why not. :dontknow:

If they invited you or I (or a rival player) in to shoot around in the practice facility, would there be anything preventing that? Just a building with a basketball court.


You never hear about it happening though. I have no idea why.
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Post#1491 » by sam_I_am » Tue May 2, 2017 2:30 pm

Watching Gortat, Lopez and Valanciunas this post season really has me excited for Zizac. Like those guys, he is going to be a big rebounder. He may not be as skilled as those 3 yet but unlike them he plays with a high motor and that is going to add a new dimension to out roster.
"I think the criticism's stupid," Stevens said. "So I don't care. I'm with Jaylen (Brown) on that. Those two had achieved more than most 25 and 26 year olds ever had. I'd rather be in the mix and have my guts ripped out than suck."
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Post#1492 » by Gomes3PC » Tue May 2, 2017 2:39 pm

sam_I_am wrote:Watching Gortat, Lopez and Valanciunas this post season really has me excited for Zizac. Like those guys, he is going to be a big rebounder. He may not be as skilled as those 3 yet but unlike them he plays with a high motor and that is going to add a new dimension to out roster.

Really? I watch Valanciunas in the playoffs and I wonder if these centers who can't space the floor are a dying breed, unless they are absolutely dominant on the glass or as a rim protector.
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Post#1493 » by smart_celtics » Tue May 2, 2017 2:47 pm

Gomes3PC wrote:
sam_I_am wrote:Watching Gortat, Lopez and Valanciunas this post season really has me excited for Zizac. Like those guys, he is going to be a big rebounder. He may not be as skilled as those 3 yet but unlike them he plays with a high motor and that is going to add a new dimension to out roster.

Really? I watch Valanciunas in the playoffs and I wonder if these centers who can't space the floor are a dying breed, unless they are absolutely dominant on the glass or as a rim protector.


I agree. The number of true centers who can stay on the floor in crunch time in the playoffs appears to be very small. I think Zizic is more useful in the regular season and also good that he's on a rookie contract and not taking up big money.
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Post#1494 » by sam_I_am » Tue May 2, 2017 2:56 pm

smart_celtics wrote:
Gomes3PC wrote:
sam_I_am wrote:Watching Gortat, Lopez and Valanciunas this post season really has me excited for Zizac. Like those guys, he is going to be a big rebounder. He may not be as skilled as those 3 yet but unlike them he plays with a high motor and that is going to add a new dimension to out roster.

Really? I watch Valanciunas in the playoffs and I wonder if these centers who can't space the floor are a dying breed, unless they are absolutely dominant on the glass or as a rim protector.


I agree. The number of true centers who can stay on the floor in crunch time in the playoffs appears to be very small. I think Zizic is more useful in the regular season and also good that he's on a rookie contract and not taking up big money.


I agree with you but those are 3 are lumbering powerful guys. Zizac is just as big but he plays more like Tristan Thompson. If he can move his feet fast enough to flash out to 3 point line unlike those other 3 he'll be very valuable. Either way he brings something we don't have and at cost of 23 pick is exciting.
"I think the criticism's stupid," Stevens said. "So I don't care. I'm with Jaylen (Brown) on that. Those two had achieved more than most 25 and 26 year olds ever had. I'd rather be in the mix and have my guts ripped out than suck."
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Post#1495 » by Homerclease » Tue May 2, 2017 2:59 pm

sam_I_am wrote:
smart_celtics wrote:
Gomes3PC wrote:Really? I watch Valanciunas in the playoffs and I wonder if these centers who can't space the floor are a dying breed, unless they are absolutely dominant on the glass or as a rim protector.


I agree. The number of true centers who can stay on the floor in crunch time in the playoffs appears to be very small. I think Zizic is more useful in the regular season and also good that he's on a rookie contract and not taking up big money.


I agree with you but those are 3 are lumbering powerful guys. Zizac is just as big but he plays more like Tristan Thompson. If he can move his feet fast enough to flash out to 3 point line unlike those other 3 he'll be very valuable. Either way he brings something we don't have and at cost of 23 pick is exciting.

Pet peeve and I'm really sorry about this, but it's Zizic with an I not Zizac with an A. Being a Giants fan and seeing people call Hakeem Nicks Hakeem Hicks for the better part of 5 years drove me nearly insane. Carry on
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Post#1496 » by sam_I_am » Tue May 2, 2017 3:24 pm

Homerclease wrote:
sam_I_am wrote:
smart_celtics wrote:
I agree. The number of true centers who can stay on the floor in crunch time in the playoffs appears to be very small. I think Zizic is more useful in the regular season and also good that he's on a rookie contract and not taking up big money.


I agree with you but those are 3 are lumbering powerful guys. Zizac is just as big but he plays more like Tristan Thompson. If he can move his feet fast enough to flash out to 3 point line unlike those other 3 he'll be very valuable. Either way he brings something we don't have and at cost of 23 pick is exciting.

Pet peeve and I'm really sorry about this, but it's Zizic with an I not Zizac with an A. Being a Giants fan and seeing people call Hakeem Nicks Hakeem Hicks for the better part of 5 years drove me nearly insane. Carry on


Point taken. At least I spelled Valanciunas right for once!
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Post#1497 » by Gomes3PC » Tue May 2, 2017 4:14 pm

If all Zizic becomes is someone along the lines of a JV or Gortat, that's still valuable on a rookie deal. I just wouldn't pay big money for him on his 2nd deal if he can't defend the perimeter or hit 3s.
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Post#1498 » by Elrod is Back » Wed May 3, 2017 12:47 am

Gomes3PC wrote:If all Zizic becomes is someone along the lines of a JV or Gortat, that's still valuable on a rookie deal. I just wouldn't pay big money for him on his 2nd deal if he can't defend the perimeter or hit 3s.


Hey, let's see him in action for awhile before we ponder his second contract that would kick in in five years.
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Post#1499 » by gimmeFball » Wed May 3, 2017 9:02 am

I love what Brown is bringing to the floor in the 2nd round. He is focused, he's making the right plays and plays great defence. The pass to Crowder had perfect timing then he drawn two defenders in the post and kicked out for open three. Shame that his attempt of murdering Gortat was unsuccessful. On the defensive side he shut down Wall on a isolation and forced him to pass the ball.
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Post#1500 » by Dogen » Wed May 3, 2017 11:05 am

Homerclease wrote:Pet peeve and I'm really sorry about this, but it's Zizic with an I not Zizac with an A. Being a Giants fan and seeing people call Hakeem Nicks Hakeem Hicks for the better part of 5 years drove me nearly insane. Carry on


Petter peeve and I'm truly sorry about this, but it's Žižić with a bunch of diacritics I'm not even sure how to make. I bet Ante's mum would appreciated seeing it spelled correctly though.
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