Around the NBA, 2016-17 Season thread

[Prokorov]

Reddick would make more staying in LA.

LA cant afford to pay him that. they need to retain paul and griffin and get another piece to entice them to stay.

[MrDollarBills]

Hell, honestly with a healthy Lin/Lopez, improvement from the young guys and a decent value signing or two I think we can hit 30 games without having to drop 20 mil on Reddick

we need to roll that space and bide our time. we have zero reason to spend a ton of money, that's aside from the fact that the real needle movers won't touch the Nets' money.

yeah i mean if you dont think reddick moves the needle id understand. i actually think he has a pretty big impact on offensive efficiency and wins. i get he is 30, but thats how we want to play and will eventually need to find his replacment...

i want continuity... bring in reddick and look to draft the next deadeye shooter who is great moving without the ball like korver or JJ.

I think Redick would be a great fit. I just don't know if I like that price point.

If you said Redick, 2/30-32 or something, I might be down for that. I don't like the idea of shelling out 40-60 over 3 years for JJ Redick.

[Hello Brooklyn]

How is Reddick better than Porter?

They are both elite 3 point shooters, but one is 23 and the other is 32.

Porter is getting better and hes a 3rd option on a pretty good team.

Reddick is getting worse. He just had the worst post season of his career.

And were supposed to invest 20 million on him?

Imagine how awful that contract will look in 3 years when were paying Reddick 20 million and he's 36.

Probably the worst Free Agent we could possibly go after.

[shakendfries]

How do you guys expect the team to get better if you don't want to pay players?

I see no reason to really get that much better through spending money next season. None of these players on the market are worth signing for 25-30 a season.

you can say that again


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[FlipFlopShot]

The focus for getting JJ Redick should be for his veteran guidance and therefore we should only be offering him a declining vet role contract. We shouldn't be pushing anymore just to get him.

We have multiple guys who are capable of shooting high percentages from the perimeter including the larger, developing Joe Harris.

[shakendfries]

Re: Reddick

If the Nets FO clearly desires their young players to learn how to navigate screens and hit shots, why wouldn't they pursue a vet who's mastered this skill?


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[Papi_swav]

No way Prok, his impact is not that big and he is not an all around player. He can't create for himself or others and he doesn't take it to the hole good enough. Does he even take his guys off the dribble? He's a lights out shooter no doubt about it but he wouldn't be so lights out on this team. We don't have the star power the Clippers have. We would need to have guys setting him up the whole game. His defense isn't great either.

I disagree. i think he creates a ton of offense for others and that is really the main reason i want him here. when he is running off screens he requires the attention of 2 guys. the clippers got so many dunks with JJ coing off a baselin screen and the big steps out cause they dont want him to have space and then its a dunk for the offensive guy once the big leaves. boston and atlanta got those same dunks off korver/allen. it puts soo much pressure on the defense when they ahve to defend screens as a team OFF the ball

I'm surprise that you think we would be the front runners, playing with the Clippers, I can see him wanting to play on a contending team or with other star players. Don't really see why any vet would sign with us unless we overpay honestly and if were willing to overpay for Reddick we should be willing to overpay for Otto Porter who is a 2 way player.

only 5 or 6 teams can pay him the 20 million he will be looking for and he loves brooklyn. owns a house and 2 buisnesses here.

I agree on the 1st part, he does draw some attention but I feel like we can get someone cheaper to do what he does. We can maybe draft and develop him into one. Or Why not just go for Korver then? I think he would be cheaper than Reddick even though we will have to overpay to get him here too but he pretty much does what Reddick do.

What about free agents like Jodie Meeks, Anthony Morrow, Nick Young, CJ Miles, Casspi, maybe Waiters? I feel like these guys can do what Reddick does on a lower level and much cheaper.

I'm interested in Meeks or CJ Miles for this team. Meeks is another lights out shooter that can come off screens and knock a bunch of shots down. and Miles is a decent defender and can shoot it anywhere from 3. Both these guys shoot over 40% from 3 and can come off screens and knock it down. And they wouldn't cost 18-20 million per, Probably 8-12 million per which I would be ok with.

[MrDollarBills]

Jodie Meeks would definitely be a good target. We do need to bring in some shooting.

[shakendfries]

Jodie Meeks would definitely be a good target. We do need to bring in some shooting.

My only fear with going after these tier 2 shooters is that they start producing like Foye or Wayne Ellington from the moment they arrive in Brooklyn


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[jbeachboy]

Jodie Meeks would definitely be a good target. We do need to bring in some shooting.

My only fear with going after these tier 2 shooters is that they start producing like Foye or Wayne Ellington from the moment they arrive in Brooklyn


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orlando wants to get rid of jodie meeks?

[NyCeEvO]

Jodie Meeks would definitely be a good target. We do need to bring in some shooting.

My only fear with going after these tier 2 shooters is that they start producing like Foye or Wayne Ellington from the moment they arrive in Brooklyn


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orlando wants to get rid of jodie meeks?

Jodie Meeks has played 39 games over the last 2 seasons due to injury. Wouldn't touch him with a 10ft pole.

[Prokorov]

How is Reddick better than Porter?

They are both elite 3 point shooters, but one is 23 and the other is 32.

Porter is getting better and hes a 3rd option on a pretty good team.

Reddick is getting worse. He just had the worst post season of his career.

And were supposed to invest 20 million on him?

Imagine how awful that contract will look in 3 years when were paying Reddick 20 million and he's 36.

Probably the worst Free Agent we could possibly go after.

Well i can see how you would feel that way based on those points... issue is, other then the part about listing their ages, i disagree with all of itL

I dont agree porter is getting better or Reddick worse. Reddicks numbers are right inline with the past 2 seasons which were the best of his career. Porter improve on last year, mostly shooting percentages. but nothing to suggest he will get much better then he is now or become some all-star. saying reddick is worse because of a small sample of 7 playoff games seems like a poor way to measure. especially when porter has been disappointing this playoffs.

There is also a TON reddick does that proter doesnt and that very few other 40% 3 point shooters do... and that is he is elite running off screens off the ball. it creats tons of pressure on a defense and can often occupy multiple defenses, which isnt rare off ball. prevents teams from heling and rotating.

Reddick is one of if not the best realistic target we could land. there are few guys who do what he does, and he has an enormous impact on how teams can defend us.

[Hello Brooklyn]

How is Reddick better than Porter?

They are both elite 3 point shooters, but one is 23 and the other is 32.

Porter is getting better and hes a 3rd option on a pretty good team.

Reddick is getting worse. He just had the worst post season of his career.

And were supposed to invest 20 million on him?

Imagine how awful that contract will look in 3 years when were paying Reddick 20 million and he's 36.

Probably the worst Free Agent we could possibly go after.

Well i can see how you would feel that way based on those points... issue is, other then the part about listing their ages, i disagree with all of itL

I dont agree porter is getting better or Reddick worse. Reddicks numbers are right inline with the past 2 seasons which were the best of his career. Porter improve on last year, mostly shooting percentages. but nothing to suggest he will get much better then he is now or become some all-star. saying reddick is worse because of a small sample of 7 playoff games seems like a poor way to measure. especially when porter has been disappointing this playoffs.

There is also a TON reddick does that proter doesnt and that very few other 40% 3 point shooters do... and that is he is elite running off screens off the ball. it creats tons of pressure on a defense and can often occupy multiple defenses, which isnt rare off ball. prevents teams from heling and rotating.

Reddick is one of if not the best realistic target we could land. there are few guys who do what he does, and he has an enormous impact on how teams can defend us.

Porter has to get better by virtue of his age. Unless you think hes some type of bum like D-Will who just doesn't care.

He hasn't reached his peak yet.

Reddick is 32, he has to decline.

Also Reddick is a horrid defender, whereas Porter is a pretty good one. You just ignored that aspect of their games.

I can't believe you want to sign Reddick. Youre the same guy who was pissed about having to pay Thaddeus Young money.

And now you're fine just throwing 20 million+ at a 32 year old role player, who just came off the worst series of his career?

[Prokorov]

The focus for getting JJ Redick should be for his veteran guidance and therefore we should only be offering him a declining vet role contract. We shouldn't be pushing anymore just to get him.

We have multiple guys who are capable of shooting high percentages from the perimeter including the larger, developing Joe Harris.

he is coming off the best 3 years of his career. and he would make an enormous impact on how teams could defend us. he doesnt just space the floor, all 5 guys need to have eyes on him at all times as he runs off screens. the screeners man needs to hedge and show OFF THE BALL. makes a big impact... there are a few guys who shoot 40% from three consistently... but VERY few who do it off screens or on the move

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Look at that video above... coming off he baseline screens by Deandre.... and what happens the second deandres man tries to help? its an easy pass/dunk to deandre. celtics used to run it with KG/Allen all the time. either reddick comes off clean or the big helps and you risk a layup.

[Prokorov]

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I agree on the 1st part, he does draw some attention but I feel like we can get someone cheaper to do what he does. We can maybe draft and develop him into one. Or Why not just go for Korver then? I think he would be cheaper than Reddick even though we will have to overpay to get him here too but he pretty much does what Reddick do.

Id be onboard for korver too, but he seems to prefer ring chasing. but id be all for it. although he is kind of a shell of what he was and struggles to stay healthy.

What about free agents like Jodie Meeks, Anthony Morrow, Nick Young, CJ Miles, Casspi, maybe Waiters? I feel like these guys can do what Reddick does on a lower level and much cheaper.

none of those guys do what reddick does... morrow , young, mils and waiter specifically arent great off the ball and none shoot well off screens. those guys are catch and shoot or off the dribble. meeks and cassapi do it some, but not well enough to change how defenses play them. korver and reddick do it and do it while not seeing a dip in shooting. teams gameplan/change how they defend when those 2 are on the floor.

I'm interested in Meeks or CJ Miles for this team. Meeks is another lights out shooter that can come off screens and knock a bunch of shots down. and Miles is a decent defender and can shoot it anywhere from 3. Both these guys shoot over 40% from 3 and can come off screens and knock it down. And they wouldn't cost 18-20 million per, Probably 8-12 million per which I would be ok with.

Miles isnt very good off screens. great off the dribble or catch and shoot. meeks is good off screens, but his effectiveness drops quite a bit from catch and shoot.

Reddick is rare in that he is just as effective shooting on the move off a screen. very rare... korver, allen, reggie... not many can do that

[Prokorov]

Porter has to get better by virtue of his age. Unless you think hes some type of bum like D-Will who just doesn't care.

Not everyone who is young gets better or significantly better... and if they dont it doesnt mean they are some kind of dog. some guys realize potential earlier then others. or simply never develop as well in some areas.

He hasn't reached his peak yet.

probably not. but that doesnt mean his peak is much higher, and either way he doesnt do what reddick does and is extremely unlikely to ever be able to (as mention, there are very few who have ever been able to... korver, allen, reggie)

Reddick is 32, he has to decline.

again, this seems like a really obtuse view point. especially when several guys have played well through 35-36. some guys even played their best from 32-34

Also Reddick is a horrid defender, whereas Porter is a pretty good one. You just ignored that aspect of their games.

this is hyperbole not supported by the facts... reddick isnt great on D... but he isnt awful. bogs is awful, skil is awful, crabbe is awful. reddick is poor. but not some horrible liability. porter i wouldnt say is good. he is average... nueteral to barely posive. +0.07 DRPM and +0.02 DRAPM. 43nd among SGs in DRPM. +0.9 DBPM.

Porters value is his offensive impact. not as some plus defender.

I can't believe you want to sign Reddick. Youre the same guy who was pissed about having to pay Thaddeus Young money.

Thad young is a glorified bench player who has a low impact on winning or offense, and in several instances has even had a net negative impact.

And now you're fine just throwing 20 million+ at a 32 year old role player, who just came off the worst series of his career?

havng the worst series of your career is irrelevant. its a small sample that means next to nothing.

[Hello Brooklyn]

So Thad is a glorified bench player and Reddick is what exactly?

I can't believe you would be ok paying a 35 year old guard 20 million dollars. That alone should be enough.

Who in the league is worth that much money at that age?

[FlipFlopShot]

The focus for getting JJ Redick should be for his veteran guidance and therefore we should only be offering him a declining vet role contract. We shouldn't be pushing anymore just to get him.

We have multiple guys who are capable of shooting high percentages from the perimeter including the larger, developing Joe Harris.

he is coming off the best 3 years of his career. and he would make an enormous impact on how teams could defend us. he doesnt just space the floor, all 5 guys need to have eyes on him at all times as he runs off screens. the screeners man needs to hedge and show OFF THE BALL. makes a big impact... there are a few guys who shoot 40% from three consistently... but VERY few who do it off screens or on the move

Watch on YouTube

Look at that video above... coming off he baseline screens by Deandre.... and what happens the second deandres man tries to help? its an easy pass/dunk to deandre. celtics used to run it with KG/Allen all the time. either reddick comes off clean or the big helps and you risk a layup.

I don't disagree with getting Redick. You've definitely hyped me back up again. However, I still do believe we need to tread lightly with Redick's contract. Money is one thing, but giving him the word that he'll be the focal piece will be another (general statement). His role here still remains as veteran guidance, be it as a starter or off the bench.

Speaking of screens, the Clippers are notorious for their moving, holding screens.

[qiantom]

Doesn't look like the Spurs will win this series without a defensive anchor in the middle.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Lamarcus Aldridge is so terrible.

Does anyone else get flash backs of Deron Williams?

This dude straight up doesn't care.