2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3

[emunney]

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If only we had guys to offer... Zach Collins could be in play

sucks having the 12th pick in an 11 player draft

I feel its pretty definitively an 8 person draft.

Who are your 8?

[emunney]

Who has a more fun highlight reel than Deonte Burton?

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He's like Waiters + 40 lbs of pure athleticism.

[Fotis St]

If Donovan Mitchell is at #12 I think he is the last of the top tiers. So Khris for Tobias + Mitchell + '19 1st is a way to move forward. If Mitchell is a hit we are immediate winners of the trade. Either way Khris has only 2 years left in his contract. Anyway it is the draft board and while Pistons shop #12 I made clear that the only player to have #12 is Khris. The main concern to me is ... Will Mitchell be there ?

[HurricaneKid]

sucks having the 12th pick in an 11 player draft

I feel its pretty definitively an 8 person draft.

Who are your 8?

Fultz
Ball
Jackson
Tatum
Isaac
Fox
Monk
DSJ

To be fair, I know nothing about Ntilikina. If he belongs in this group bump it to 9. But I am steadfast in refusing Markkanen/Collins/Mitchell entry to that group. It feels a lot like last year when you had guys mocked at ~12 that fell all the way to the second round (DDavis) or close (DeJounte). Partly due to the depth, partly due to a chasm after DSJ/Chriss.

[Gianstoppable]

If Donovan Mitchell is at #12 I think he is the last of the top tiers. So Khris for Tobias + Mitchell + '19 1st is a way to move forward. If Mitchell is a hit we are immediate winners of the trade. Either way Khris has only 2 years left in his contract. Anyway it is the draft board and while Pistons shop #12 I made clear that the only player to have #12 is Khris. The main concern to me is ... Will Mitchell be there ?

Khris back to the Pistons lol

[machu46]

I have to say, I know that there are exceptions like Giannis, but I am finding it difficult this year to get excited about the draft & where we are picking. I'm seeing a whole lot of "meh" at our position in the draft. So much easier to get amped up and spend the time researching when you have a Top 10 pick. Hopefully the guys getting paid to do this feel differently than I do.

Basically how I feel as well. The only realistic option at 17 that would legitimately excite me is John Collins.

I think there's a bunch of decent options, but they're all relatively low-ceiling guys IMO.

[SirChurros]

Who has a more fun highlight reel than Deonte Burton?

Watch on YouTube

He's like Waiters + 40 lbs of pure athleticism.

Bring him home!

[M-C-G]

I have to say, I know that there are exceptions like Giannis, but I am finding it difficult this year to get excited about the draft & where we are picking. I'm seeing a whole lot of "meh" at our position in the draft. So much easier to get amped up and spend the time researching when you have a Top 10 pick. Hopefully the guys getting paid to do this feel differently than I do.

If there was any draft in the last 20 years to get excited about picking 17 I think this is the one to do it.

I keep hearing this draft is deep, but I have to be honest and say that personally I haven't put the time in this year. A few names stand out, (i.e. Giles, Hartenstein, etc), but the only Giannis-like potential homerun pick seems to be the guy coming off multiple knee surgeries. That scares the begeezus out of me. Not sure I'd have the stones to go through with it. I'm interested to hear who I should get excited about if you guys are willing to enlighten me. ; )

I think the draft is deep in that your top 5-8 guys might typically be top 3 picks most years, but then you have legit rotational pieces available almost through the entire second round. I mean, Thornwell is a guy that almost any team in the league could use and he is being mocked at 56 on DX. So many guys in this draft class that aren't going to be drafted that normally would, so the team better be doing their homework with that second round, because their are useful, cheap pieces available.

[Fotis St]

If Donovan Mitchell is at #12 I think he is the last of the top tiers. So Khris for Tobias + Mitchell + '19 1st is a way to move forward. If Mitchell is a hit we are immediate winners of the trade. Either way Khris has only 2 years left in his contract. Anyway it is the draft board and while Pistons shop #12 I made clear that the only player to have #12 is Khris. The main concern to me is ... Will Mitchell be there ?

Khris back to the Pistons lol

And Tobias back to the Bucks

Hammond the guy that traded Tobias is gone, why not?

Someone said enlight me ... The player that has the most upside right now is Donovan Mitchell

All teams forums talk about him, others question why isn't he a top 6 pick, others compare him with Wade and Lillard, including myself, I posted it that his handles and footwork is only seen in top PGs of this league. Consistency ? How high is his ceiling ? Who knows ... but the buzz is true and the player has legit upside

[M-C-G]

Who has a more fun highlight reel than Deonte Burton?

Watch on YouTube

He's like Waiters + 40 lbs of pure athleticism.

This is what I imagine Jonathan Simmons highlight vids would look like.

[M-C-G]

If Donovan Mitchell is at #12 I think he is the last of the top tiers. So Khris for Tobias + Mitchell + '19 1st is a way to move forward. If Mitchell is a hit we are immediate winners of the trade. Either way Khris has only 2 years left in his contract. Anyway it is the draft board and while Pistons shop #12 I made clear that the only player to have #12 is Khris. The main concern to me is ... Will Mitchell be there ?

Khris back to the Pistons lol

And Tobias back to the Bucks

Hammond the guy that traded Tobias is gone, why not?

Then sign JJ Redick in the offseason

[Lippo]

Harris is a pretty sizable asset too though. He's only 24, his contract is decreasing and under team control just as long as Middleton's he's an efficient scorer, good rebounder, and a decent defender. I think 2 first round picks and a high potential reclamation project in SJ and a dump of Henson's hemorrhoid of a contract makes it worth it. Maybe make that 2019 pick I mentioned unprotected. I would ask for their 2nd rounder this year (DEEEEEEP draft), but they don't have one.

And to be clear that wouldn't be my opening offer, that would be as low as I'd be willing to go.

I'm not seeing it with Harris. He is on his third team and was just traded for two expiring contracts. I don't think that he is a valuable piece

Maybe you could just trick Van Gundy with a Henson or Mirza for #12 (Pipe-dream). Everyone knows the draft get's mediocre after the 10th-11th pick, so the asking price might not be as high as we think it is. Stranger things have happened.

Middleton/Henson/Mirza/#17/2019 1st (top 10 prot)/2nd
for
Drummond/Harris/Johnson/#12

[Matches Malone]

Middleton/Henson/Mirza/17
for
Drummond/Harris/Johnson/2nd

I'm not a fan of Drummond.

[Lippo]

Me neither, but

Brogs/Delle
Johnson/Vaughn
Giannis/Harris
Thon/Parker
Drummond/Thon

is a nice core.

[Fotis St]

Middleton/Henson/Mirza/17/2nd
for
Drummond/Harris/Johnson/12

Take Johnson out ... take Henson out and add Monroe (opt in ) in ...

Middleton/Monroe/17
for
Drummond/Tobias/12

I am not a fan of Drummond too ... he is an overpaid Monroe, but that year when he was leading the league in rebounds was something that Monroe will never achieve. So he has upside yes, overpaid still , yes.
Values are probably off... I think Drummond is too close of a negative. Not sure what the whole league's GM feel about him.
I guess one GM thinks he worths more than that and this can never happen.

[Ron Swanson]

I think we say the exact same things about every draft. I mean yeah, you usually have the one standout blue-chip guy (Fultz), then through the top 8-10 are the intriguing upside prospects, then it tapers out past the top-12 and once you get into the late lottery. Then we all talk ourselves into trading back because we're convinced that "there's guys in the late-1st and 2nd round that'll be rotation players or even starters", when in reality that rarely ever is the case.

Don't get me wrong, there's a bunch of fringe 1st and early 2nd round guys that I really like (BAM!, Morris, Motley, etc.), but I just can't talk myself into trading back unless it's a perfect situation. I don't really "love" any of those guys and I don't see some hidden Draymond or Gobert upside. Just take the best guy #17. Try and package a future 2nd or Vaughn with #48 to move up into the 31-40 range if there's a guy you really like there. Just don't willingly forfeit draft position just because you think a particular area of the draft is "weak", which as we've seen over the years, is incredibly difficult if not impossible to gauge.

[Lippo]

Middleton/Henson/Mirza/17/2nd
for
Drummond/Harris/Johnson/12

Take Johnson out ... take Henson out and add Monroe (opt in ) in ...

Middleton/Monroe/17
for
Drummond/Tobias/12

I am not a fan of Drummond too ... he is an overpaid Monroe, but that year when he was leading the league in rebounds was something that Monroe will never achieve. So he has upside yes, overpaid still , yes.

Johnson is the piece I want here....to replace Mids. He's a great buy low player.

And Drummond can enforce and finish Ooops.

[machu46]

Middleton/Henson/Mirza/17/2nd
for
Drummond/Harris/Johnson/12

Take Johnson out ... take Henson out and add Monroe (opt in ) in ...

Middleton/Monroe/17
for
Drummond/Tobias/12

I am not a fan of Drummond too ... he is an overpaid Monroe, but that year when he was leading the league in rebounds was something that Monroe will never achieve. So he has upside yes, overpaid still , yes.

What exactly does this mean? I don't think they're remotely similar.

[Fotis St]

I think we say the exact same things about every draft. I mean yeah, you usually have the one standout blue-chip guy (Fultz), then through the top 8-10 are the intriguing upside prospects, then it tapers out past the top-12 and once you get into the late lottery. Then we all talk ourselves into trading back because we're convinced that "there's guys in the late-1st and 2nd round that'll be rotation players or even starters", when in reality that rarely ever is the case.

Don't get me wrong, there's a bunch of fringe 1st and early 2nd round guys that I really like (BAM!, Morris, Motley, etc.), but I just can't talk myself into trading back unless it's a perfect situation. I don't really "love" any of those guys and I don't see some hidden Draymond or Gobert upside. Just take the best guy #17. Try and package a future 2nd or Vaughn with #48 to move up into the 31-40 range if there's a guy you really like there. Just don't willingly forfeit draft position just because you think a particular area of the draft is "weak", which as we've seen over the years, is incredibly difficult if not impossible to gauge.

I agree. I believe we are just frustrated from our core's injury's ... From Core 3 ... Giannis-Khris-Jabari ... We are down to Core one Giannis ... so we are acting like we have no core and "shoot for the moon". I guess we need to stay calm and see what we got next summer

[Lippo]

Middleton/Henson/Mirza/17/2nd
for
Drummond/Harris/Johnson/12

Take Johnson out ... take Henson out and add Monroe (opt in ) in ...

Middleton/Monroe/17
for
Drummond/Tobias/12

I am not a fan of Drummond too ... he is an overpaid Monroe, but that year when he was leading the league in rebounds was something that Monroe will never achieve. So he has upside yes, overpaid still , yes.

What exactly does this mean? I don't think they're remotely similar.

I can see it, neither have range or are really shot blockers, both are bangers. I would much rather have Drummond if not for his FT%, but at least he can finish.