2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3

[Rockmaninoff]

Tim Duncan without defense is Pau Gasol. Pau Gasol without rebounding is Brook Lopez. Brook Lopez without skill is Jarrett Allen.

I take it you're not fond of Jarrett Allen.

[Fotis St]

Tim Duncan without defense is Pau Gasol. Pau Gasol without rebounding is Brook Lopez. Brook Lopez without skill is Jarrett Allen.

Jarret Allen with less hair is John Henson

[FrieAaron]

Tim Duncan without defense is Pau Gasol. Pau Gasol without rebounding is Brook Lopez. Brook Lopez without skill is Jarrett Allen.

Jarret Allen with less hair is John Henson

This is the feeling I have as well.

[emunney]

Tim Duncan without defense is Pau Gasol. Pau Gasol without rebounding is Brook Lopez. Brook Lopez without skill is Jarrett Allen.

I take it you're not fond of Jarrett Allen.

I keep going back to him and I can't figure out where his usefulness is going to come from.

[Lippo]

The idea that anyone would deal Middleton for a late lottery pick blows my mind.

So. Bad.

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Gets complicated if it also allows us to dump a bunch of salary and we have eyes for a major FA. I don't see anything realistic out there. Sometimes unrealistic things happen I guess.

The only reason I've been entertaining the idea of trading Middleton is that I'm not 100% convinced that he's totally okay with this being Giannis' team. I'm not in the locker room so I don't know what the truth, but that's just what his body language has been telling me since he returned from injury.

This is why I want him gone as well. That year we gave him all those game winning shots made him think he's an alpha dog, if he would embrace his role (rich mans Tony Snell) he would be great for this team, but he thinks he's the man, and he's not...hes a 3-D guy that is very Michael Redd like in creating him own shot.. He might be Paul George...on Ketamine.
I would move him for a top 3 pick, or even say #12 and Stanley Johnson.

[Chuck Diesel]

My biggest problem with Luke Kennard is that he's too similar to Jason Smith.

[Ruzious]

I *suspect* if any other team got Giannis they would sell the farm to try and win right now, whether he's 22 years old or not.
Giannis might look like he's **** around all summer but then in October he will somehow come back looking even better, because that's what Giannis does.

I *suspect* that the time for accumulating and developing talent is long gone and every year going forward is a missed opportunity. If we're not ready to compete then too bad, another year lost.

The problem is, imo, that there is nowhere near a Championship core here. Middleton is not good enough to be a #2 guy and depending on Jabari is a recipe for disaster. His knee is a ticking time bomb, and many still questioned his fit/real impact before the second ACL. To me the only way to add another piece to make the Bucks a championship contender is via free agency. That's not happening any time soon because of foolish deals given out last year, so we're probably wasting two years or so as is. There's a lot to like about Thon and Brogdon, but they are both 24.

Giannis is 22. I think this is a critical point for the Bucks. He's young enough where you could do a reset and have plenty of prime years left for the Bucks to contend. Problem is we need better leadership and a strong front office. You'd have to sit down with Giannis and explain to him what your long term plan is. Might be nice to have any kind of GM to do that at the moment.

To be fair, Jabari made big improvements last season and even doubters like me came around on him. Then the disasterous injury. But science and surgical techniques keep on improving. Remember back in 2007 when Shawn Livingston blew out all the ligaments in his knee and dislocated his kneecap in maybe the grossest NBA injury ever - at the time, people weren't sure he'd walk again. Since then, he's got a bunch of championship rings. If he comes back, he is a legit #2 scorer on a contender, imo. That pushes Middleton to #3 - where he should be - assuming he gets himself in top shape. If Bucks get lucky with health, players work hard, and they make a couple good moves, they have the foundation to be an Eastern Con contender in 2 seasons.

[M-C-G]

I *suspect* if any other team got Giannis they would sell the farm to try and win right now, whether he's 22 years old or not.
Giannis might look like he's **** around all summer but then in October he will somehow come back looking even better, because that's what Giannis does.

I *suspect* that the time for accumulating and developing talent is long gone and every year going forward is a missed opportunity. If we're not ready to compete then too bad, another year lost.

The problem is, imo, that there is nowhere near a Championship core here. Middleton is not good enough to be a #2 guy and depending on Jabari is a recipe for disaster. His knee is a ticking time bomb, and many still questioned his fit/real impact before the second ACL. To me the only way to add another piece to make the Bucks a championship contender is via free agency. That's not happening any time soon because of foolish deals given out last year, so we're probably wasting two years or so as is. There's a lot to like about Thon and Brogdon, but they are both 24.

Giannis is 22. I think this is a critical point for the Bucks. He's young enough where you could do a reset and have plenty of prime years left for the Bucks to contend. Problem is we need better leadership and a strong front office. You'd have to sit down with Giannis and explain to him what your long term plan is. Might be nice to have any kind of GM to do that at the moment.

To be fair, Jabari made big improvements last season and even doubters like me came around on him. Then the disasterous injury. But science and surgical techniques keep on improving. Remember back in 2007 when Shawn Livingston blew out all the ligaments in his knee and dislocated his kneecap in maybe the grossest NBA injury ever - at the time, people weren't sure he'd walk again. Since then, he's got a bunch of championship rings. If he comes back, he is a legit #2 scorer on a contender, imo. That pushes Middleton to #3 - where he should be - assuming he gets himself in top shape. If Bucks get lucky with health, players work hard, and they make a couple good moves, they have the foundation to be an Eastern Con contender in 2 seasons.

Would be very interesting to see how people thought of Jabari if he got hurt a month earlier. The team was 20-18 and we were talking 4 seed once Middleton got back and then the team imploded and that Jabari thread became a **** show. It was pretty damn quiet though in early January.

[M-C-G]

So is Lavar Ball the first player's dad that the commissioner of the league decided to make a comment on? I'd have to think so.

[Rockmaninoff]

Tim Duncan without defense is Pau Gasol. Pau Gasol without rebounding is Brook Lopez. Brook Lopez without skill is Jarrett Allen.

I take it you're not fond of Jarrett Allen.

I keep going back to him and I can't figure out where his usefulness is going to come from.

The more I look at him, the more he seems like a project version of Nerlens Noel. That's not terribly exciting, and probably not worth the investment unless he's a tremendous worker.

[DrWood]

The idea that anyone would deal Middleton for a late lottery pick blows my mind.

So. Bad.

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Gets complicated if it also allows us to dump a bunch of salary and we have eyes for a major FA. I don't see anything realistic out there. Sometimes unrealistic things happen I guess.

The only reason I've been entertaining the idea of trading Middleton is that I'm not 100% convinced that he's totally okay with this being Giannis' team. I'm not in the locker room so I don't know what the truth, but that's just what his body language has been telling me since he returned from injury.

Middleton has never been the guy. He's always been complementary.

[crkone]

His hamstring fell off his bone. I'm surprised he came back at all and even fought through the flu at the end.

[drone3]

Wouldn't be surprised if Miami took Jonah Bolden in the first.

[MadBlueEdwards]

Sooooo....no more draft workouts? I don't think I've seen any announced since Hammond left.

[crkone]

Sooooo....no more draft workouts? I don't think I've seen any announced since Hammond left.

Ain't no one have time for that. We need Zanik to interview his replacement and watch the good ole boys show off their secret handshakes.

[Badgerlander]

Wouldn't be surprised if Miami took Jonah Bolden in the first.

He's rising up the boards, the ringer currently has him at #27

[MadBlueEdwards]

Sooooo....no more draft workouts? I don't think I've seen any announced since Hammond left.

Ain't no one have time for that. We need Zanik to interview his replacement and watch the good ole boys show off their secret handshakes.

Super. Maybe the Zanik Administration is just more tight-lipped and doesn't announce these things.

[skones]

Wouldn't be surprised if Miami took Jonah Bolden in the first.

He's rising up the boards, the ringer currently has him at #27

Not surprised. Mentioned that I thought he would a couple of weeks back. He's a no-brainer in the 2nd round. Depending on the board, I'd have him in the mix at 17, though I have a feeling I'd like someone else more.

[Rockmaninoff]

No way Bolden makes it past Hammond at 25. Checks every Hammond box except for age.

[Ron Swanson]

Starting to warm up to Kennard, but the problem is that I have no faith that this current coaching staff will ever put him in a position to maximize his strengths and utilize him correctly within the offense. Just imagining him trying to post up Shaun Livingston....