2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV

[Sixerscan]

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Jalen Rose wants the guy from Detroit. Shocking. Next thing you will tell me that Dick Vitale thinks people are sleeping on Luke Kennard.

[Unbreakable99]

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Jalen Rose wants the guy from Detroit. Shocking. Next thing you will tell me that Dick Vitale thinks people are sleeping on Luke Kennard.

Or he could really believe that and it doesn't matter where he's from.

[Negrodamus]

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Hey Josh, maybe you should just have someone film you and edit out the misses like everyone else does.

If this guy shoots better from three than Tatum in the league, a minor miracle occurred. When he misses, he misses BADLY.

[LloydFree]

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Jalen Rose wants the guy from Detroit. Shocking. Next thing you will tell me that Dick Vitale thinks people are sleeping on Luke Kennard.

May be the case. But I remember Rose being one of the 1st National guys to identify Joel Embiid as the no doubt #1 pick, when the websites and forums were still on the "Wiggins is the greatest prospect in a decade" nonsense. He's generally been ahead of the curve on these prospects for a talking head.

[SelfishPlayer]

Kobe Bryant is on record for favoring Evan Turner over John Wall. Michael Jordan is a well known horrible evaluator of talent. I believe that some players know their stuff while others just do not know what they are truly looking at and can be as horrible as people that never played the game. John Wall favors Fultz right now but hedged his bet with Fox possibly being the best down the line. He has a slight connection to both players, Fultz being a DC area player and Fox attending Kentucky.

[Unbreakable99]

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Hey Josh, maybe you should just have someone film you and edit out the misses like everyone else does.

If this guy shoots better from three than Tatum in the league, a minor miracle occurred. When he misses, he misses BADLY.

He doesn't have a good follow through. He needs to keep his arm extended a little longer. But I love that he didn't edit it out. I like how he doesn't give a f*ck and just put it out there. No editing trying to fool the public lol. At least he shot 3s on camera.

[Negrodamus]

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Hey Josh, maybe you should just have someone film you and edit out the misses like everyone else does.

If this guy shoots better from three than Tatum in the league, a minor miracle occurred. When he misses, he misses BADLY.

He doesn't have a good follow through. He needs to keep his arm extended a little longer. But I love that he didn't edit it out. I like how he doesn't give a f*ck and just put it out there. No editing trying to fool the public lol. At least he shot 3s on camera.

Yea, I mean, giving us raw footage of him shooting is pretty neat and ballsy. However, while admirable, I don't see it helping his perception as it pertains to his shooting.

[Unbreakable99]

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Hey Josh, maybe you should just have someone film you and edit out the misses like everyone else does.

If this guy shoots better from three than Tatum in the league, a minor miracle occurred. When he misses, he misses BADLY.

He doesn't have a good follow through. He needs to keep his arm extended a little longer. But I love that he didn't edit it out. I like how he doesn't give a f*ck and just put it out there. No editing trying to fool the public lol. At least he shot 3s on camera.

Yea, I mean, giving us raw footage of him shooting is pretty neat and ballsy. However, while admirable, I don't see it helping his perception as it pertains to his shooting.

But wouldn't you rather have more information instead of edited info? Would you rather be fooled with clips of only the makes and people saying WOW look at his shot. He can shoot. Or would you rather be given the real directly from Josh Jackson who isn't afraid to shoot in front of a camera unlike a certain Sixer?

[Negrodamus]

He doesn't have a good follow through. He needs to keep his arm extended a little longer. But I love that he didn't edit it out. I like how he doesn't give a f*ck and just put it out there. No editing trying to fool the public lol. At least he shot 3s on camera.

Yea, I mean, giving us raw footage of him shooting is pretty neat and ballsy. However, while admirable, I don't see it helping his perception as it pertains to his shooting.

But wouldn't you rather have more information instead of edited info? Would you rather be fooled with clips of only the makes and people saying WOW look at his shot. He can shoot. Or would you rather be given the real directly from Josh Jackson who isn't afraid to shoot in front of a camera unlike a certain Sixer?

Well I guess it depends on the perspective. Me, as a fan, would obviously love to watch more raw information so I get a better understanding of the prospect.

From the perspective of the prospect, hell no. These guys are marketing themselves right now. You don't go on a first date and say "full disclosure, I have a severe irritable bowel syndrome... So, keep that in mind."

[JojoSlimbiid]

lol if your making decisions based on edited clips of guys shooting in an empty gym I don't really know what to tell you. I also don't know why guys must be able to shoot year one in order for the pick to be worth it. If he takes 2-3 years to be competent in his jumper than so be it as long as he's bringing other things to the table it's more than worth the wait.

The video encouraged me more than anything else.

[Sixerscan]

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Jalen Rose wants the guy from Detroit. Shocking. Next thing you will tell me that Dick Vitale thinks people are sleeping on Luke Kennard.

May be the case. But I remember Rose being one of the 1st National guys to identify Joel Embiid as the no doubt #1 pick, when the websites and forums were still on the "Wiggins is the greatest prospect in a decade" nonsense. He's generally been ahead of the curve on these prospects for a talking head.

I'm not saying he's wrong, just that I would think it SIGNIFICANTLY more notable if he didn't love a high level prospect from his hometown that he loves repping.

[Negrodamus]

lol if your making decisions based on edited clips of guys shooting in an empty gym I don't really know what to tell you. I also don't know why guys must be able to shoot year one in order for the pick to be worth it. If he takes 2-3 years to be competent in his jumper than so be it as long as he's bringing other things to the table it's more than worth the wait.

The video encouraged me more than anything else.

Really? That encouraged you? He's shooting unguarded shots and airballed one of them. The other misses were front of the rim or off to the sides. If you watch good shooters miss on open jumpers, they are barely off. That's because they have replicable jump shot and not a stroke, like Ball and Jackson have.

Also, I'm sure GMs are not basing their decisions off of edited clips, but there is a reason that Simmons, Jackson, Ball, Fultz, etc didn't go to the Combine. They'd rather let their tapes speak for itself rather than add more information that could potentially hurt them at the Combine on a very public stage. If Jackson blows the workout against the Lakers but drains every shot at the Sixers workout, the Sixers might be none the wiser about how Jackson performed behind close doors.

I mean, there's so much of his game to like, but his shooting is not one of them.

[Eyeamok]

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Hey Josh, maybe you should just have someone film you and edit out the misses like everyone else does.

If this guy shoots better from three than Tatum in the league, a minor miracle occurred. When he misses, he misses BADLY.

He's keeping it real. Basically he is saying. Yeah my shot is not all there but so what. I bring a lot more to the table than just shooting.

And shooting can always be improved upon if you have the desire. And we can always send him to the Joel Embiid school of shooting.

"You know how I learned to shoot?' Embiid says. 'I watched white people. Just regular white people. They really put their elbow in and finish up top. You can find videos of them online.'"


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[JojoSlimbiid]

lol if your making decisions based on edited clips of guys shooting in an empty gym I don't really know what to tell you. I also don't know why guys must be able to shoot year one in order for the pick to be worth it. If he takes 2-3 years to be competent in his jumper than so be it as long as he's bringing other things to the table it's more than worth the wait.

The video encouraged me more than anything else.

Really? That encouraged you? He's shooting unguarded shots and airballed one of them. The other misses were front of the rim or off to the sides. If you watch good shooters miss on open jumpers, they are barely off. That's because they have replicable jump shot and not a stroke, like Ball and Jackson have.

Also, I'm sure GMs are not basing their decisions off of edited clips, but there is a reason that Simmons, Jackson, Ball, Fultz, etc didn't go to the Combine. They'd rather let their tapes speak for itself rather than add more information that could potentially hurt them at the Combine on a very public stage. If Jackson blows the workout against the Lakers but drains every shot at the Sixers workout, the Sixers might be none the wiser about how Jackson performed behind close doors.

I mean, there's so much of his game to like, but his shooting is not one of them.

Who thinks he's a good shooter? I don't. The fact that he practices his shot and isn't afraid to shoot for cameras or in private let's me know that he knows it's something he needs to work on and it encourages me. Instead of a guy like Simmons who hides his jumper and gives you neat responses like I averaged 20 points a game when asked about it. Look you obviously care more about this footage than I do. I can care less how guys perform in an open gym. Would it have been cool if he cropped up and edited out 15-18 straights shots made? Yeah but ultimately do I care? Do I let it effect how I view him as a prospect? Not at all.

[Negrodamus]

I think Joel learned how to shoot by watching 'regular white people'. Josh Jackson will have to re-learn how to do that which means forgetting his current form. That's going to be hard.

[Negrodamus]

lol if your making decisions based on edited clips of guys shooting in an empty gym I don't really know what to tell you. I also don't know why guys must be able to shoot year one in order for the pick to be worth it. If he takes 2-3 years to be competent in his jumper than so be it as long as he's bringing other things to the table it's more than worth the wait.

The video encouraged me more than anything else.

Really? That encouraged you? He's shooting unguarded shots and airballed one of them. The other misses were front of the rim or off to the sides. If you watch good shooters miss on open jumpers, they are barely off. That's because they have replicable jump shot and not a stroke, like Ball and Jackson have.

Also, I'm sure GMs are not basing their decisions off of edited clips, but there is a reason that Simmons, Jackson, Ball, Fultz, etc didn't go to the Combine. They'd rather let their tapes speak for itself rather than add more information that could potentially hurt them at the Combine on a very public stage. If Jackson blows the workout against the Lakers but drains every shot at the Sixers workout, the Sixers might be none the wiser about how Jackson performed behind close doors.

I mean, there's so much of his game to like, but his shooting is not one of them.

Who thinks he's a good shooter? I don't. The fact that he practices his shot and isn't afraid to shoot for cameras or in private let's me know that he knows it's something he needs to work on and it encourages me. Instead of a guy like Simmons who hides his jumper and gives you neat responses like I averaged 20 points a game when asked about it. Look you obviously care more about this footage than I do. I can care less how guys perform in an open gym. Would it have been cool if he cropped up and edited out 15-18 straights shots made? Yeah but ultimately do I care? Do I let it effect how I view him as a prospect? Not at all.

This isn't affecting my view on him as a shooter. It's pretty much reinforcing what I've been saying about him this whole time, he's not a good shooter despite his decent 3pt% in college.

Also, any prospect worth his salt is working on their game privately right now. They just don't choose to post it on Instagram Live.

I feel nothing new from this video. He's still not good shooter.

[Eyeamok]

I think Joel learned how to shoot by watching 'regular white people'. Josh Jackson will have to re-learn how to do that which means forgetting his current form. That's going to be hard.

You are right. But that is why so much money was spent on sports science and building that new training facility. It was not all for chits and giggles right? If Jackson is the pick, then it's time for these sports science eggheads to earn their money and develop both Josh and Ben into capable shooters.

[Bum Adebayo]

Jackson's jumper has to be rebuild from scratch, period.

[Sixerscan]

Will never get why it's so difficult to change someone's shooting form. Then again I don't get why pro bowlers don't throw strikes every time, or how pro golfers hit it into bunkers with no wind. I guess this stuff is hard or something.

[LloydFree]

I think Joel learned how to shoot by watching 'regular white people'. Josh Jackson will have to re-learn how to do that which means forgetting his current form. That's going to be hard.

You are right. But that is why so much money was spent on sports science and building that new training facility. It was not all for chits and giggles right? If Jackson is the pick, then it's time for these sports science eggheads to earn their money and develop both Josh and Ben into capable shooters.

In the voice of Charles Barkley, "Any knuckle head can learn to shoot a 3 Pointer"...

If your​ focus for the draft is grabbing someone to space the floor for NEXT year, just select Luke Kenard.