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Post#1301 » by Unbreakable99 » Tue May 30, 2017 4:11 pm

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paulbball wrote:If Okafor is as bad and not-so-valuable as this board believes, the front office might as well waive him and give him his freedom.

#FreeOkafor #WaiveOkafor


Yeah, pretty much but I find it extremely unlikely he is only worth a 2nd. Maybe the fall was that far I just have a hard time believing it.


Okafor is the 4th best center on the team after Embiid Holmes and Long. Why would you think he has 1st round value? We should be thanking our lucky stars if a team say yes or trading even the 32 pick of the draft for Okafor.
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Post#1302 » by SparksFly87 » Tue May 30, 2017 11:42 pm

Hornets 13 pick for Okafor.. get Donovan Mitchell.
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1303 » by Aussiepiston1 » Wed May 31, 2017 6:57 am

paulbball wrote:If Okafor is as bad and not-so-valuable as this board believes, the front office might as well waive him and give him his freedom.

#FreeOkafor #WaiveOkafor

He's not that bad.
People on this board are just bitter and have flashbacks of Evan Turner.
He regressed this year but The FO know He was injured and was unstable because of it plus the logjam didn't help.
He is younger and will be better than Monroe and Kanter.
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1304 » by thenbaman » Wed May 31, 2017 10:43 am

How can anyone not regress playing less than half your games and having the whole city on your back
Like to see anyone else try that with as much class as oak has shown.
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1305 » by MatthewGeigerII » Thu Jun 1, 2017 4:41 pm

with draft night three weeks out... i feel like we're coming to an end of jah on the sixers. i feel like BC wants to give him a chance to have a fresh start, and the team doesn't want to go into the year with the "what are you going to do with okafor?" cloud over them. a lot of teams are going to realize there is many center prospects in the draft, and hopefully a trade goes down on june 22nd - for jah and the sixers sake.

With that being said, here are a few possible destinations i see and some possible returns (teams without center prospects):

1. sixers (stays put and i'm way off)
2. Wizards - we saw their centers struggle in the playoffs, but theyre still under large contracts. slim chance, so won't go into return.
3. Spurs - Pau = player option, old, dedmon - will not take option and test free agency (aka get paid somewhere else). going to count
Lee in this mix too. i see this as a big possibility as the spurs try to get younger and jah's rookie contract would be a cheap
alternative for them to lure a top PG free agent. i also see pop making jah into something. Possible returns? Kyle Anderson or 2nds?
there isn't much.
4. Suns - Len is a FA, they do not have much else, chandler is 34. possible brandon knight dump or picks? who knows.
5. knicks - could be a fit next to a 3/D stretch 4 type guy in KP. they are strangled by noah's $ tho. hard to invest in a center.
6. lakers - zubac, black, mozgov. a possible clarkson for jah swap to help them make way for BBB?
7. Mavericks... jk
8. Bulls - home. no center depth. cameron payne as he didnt work out? denzel? jerian grant?

IMO the real players are the Spurs, Lakers, and Bulls... and we are probably looking on draft night for a late-first, second round pick realistically. (or a salary dump i.e. clarkson)

Possible picks:
Lakers @28
Spurs @29
bulls @38
spurs @59


Where is your cut off? would you trade jah for 28 or 29? what about 38?
would you hold on to him for the year if this is the price range?
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1306 » by Chris76 » Fri Jun 2, 2017 5:29 am

thenbaman wrote:How can anyone not regress playing less than half your games and having the whole city on your back
Like to see anyone else try that with as much class as oak has shown.


Hoping okafor gets in better shape and fixes some of his major flaws. Team defense and rebounding should be his main focus. In some games, you could see him trying to get to players during switches, but he was to slow. Before, he wouldn't even have tried. Teams are too good at exploiting weaknesses. With good coaching maybe he can improve to be a scoring big of the bench that is average on defense.
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Post#1307 » by SparksFly87 » Sat Jun 3, 2017 4:24 pm

If you want to matchup with the dominance of the GSW or Cavs you gotta beat them with SIZE.

SIMMONS is a HUGE PG. Embiid is 7'2 at Center. I think Drafting Josh Jackson a 6'8 2 guard is definitely the way to go. The wild card is Jah at PF is too big and imposing to matchup with especially with his ability to score in triple teams. I think out sizing teams is our true advantage on the rest of the league. Go BIG.
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Post#1308 » by 76ciology » Sat Jun 3, 2017 4:40 pm

SparksFly87 wrote:If you want to matchup with the dominance of the GSW or Cavs you gotta beat them with SIZE.

SIMMONS is a HUGE PG. Embiid is 7'2 at Center. I think Drafting Josh Jackson a 6'8 2 guard is definitely the way to go. The wild card is Jah at PF is too big and imposing to matchup with especially with his ability to score in triple teams. I think out sizing teams is our true advantage on the rest of the league. Go BIG.


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Post#1309 » by Unbreakable99 » Sat Jun 3, 2017 4:46 pm

SparksFly87 wrote:The wild card is Jah at PF is too big and imposing to matchup with especially with his ability to score in triple teams.

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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1310 » by OleSchool » Sat Jun 3, 2017 4:49 pm

SparksFly87 wrote:If you want to matchup with the dominance of the GSW or Cavs you gotta beat them with SIZE.

SIMMONS is a HUGE PG. Embiid is 7'2 at Center. I think Drafting Josh Jackson a 6'8 2 guard is definitely the way to go. The wild card is Jah at PF is too big and imposing to matchup with especially with his ability to score in triple teams. I think out sizing teams is our true advantage on the rest of the league. Go BIG.



I understand where you are coming from but, to beat GSW or the Cavs you HAVE to make their stars WORK on the defensive end. You can't let Curry, KD, Klay, Kyrie, Love, and LBJ just rest on the defensive side of the ball. Give me some guards who are constantly making Curry & Klay run through screens. Give me someone down low who is going to take Love down to the weight room and force him to defend.

Thats how you level the playing field. Then lets see how much legs they have for their jumpshots.
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Post#1311 » by 76ciology » Sat Jun 3, 2017 4:52 pm

Well, I see the angle in going big (like positionless-pace-space kind of big). I also think Okafor will bounce back. But I think Biid alone can create match-up problems for both teams. Better for a stretch 4 who is a versatile defender IMO, specially with Simmons. Then maybe Okafor off the bench.
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Post#1312 » by 76ciology » Sat Jun 3, 2017 5:02 pm

Centers..

Best way to play effective D against elite teams is them going out at the perimeter challenging shots. Even Gobert get put on skates by Steph.

Offensively, it's tough to throw the entry pass and the elite teams are great in packing the paint that even say LBJ is switched off Steph, GSW does a great job packing the paint that the shot less challenged is taking a face-up jumper (read about this on Hayward's take on the finals).

The league wants to make the C obsolete or just way weaken it. The only way to play this game EFFECTIVELY is to have every player play like a wing, just like Biid, Towns, KP or Jokic.
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1313 » by SparksFly87 » Sat Jun 3, 2017 5:03 pm

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SparksFly87 wrote:If you want to matchup with the dominance of the GSW or Cavs you gotta beat them with SIZE.

SIMMONS is a HUGE PG. Embiid is 7'2 at Center. I think Drafting Josh Jackson a 6'8 2 guard is definitely the way to go. The wild card is Jah at PF is too big and imposing to matchup with especially with his ability to score in triple teams. I think out sizing teams is our true advantage on the rest of the league. Go BIG.



I understand where you are coming from but, to beat GSW or the Cavs you HAVE to make their stars WORK on the defensive end. You can't let Curry, KD, Klay, Kyrie, Love, and LBJ just rest on the defensive side of the ball. Give me some guards who are constantly making Curry & Klay run through screens. Give me someone down low who is going to take Love down to the weight room and force him to defend.

Thats how you level the playing field. Then lets see how much legs they have for their jumpshots.



Matching shooting for shooting is not going to work out well with GAS and even CAVs with all there shooting talent. However we can destroy them inside .
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Post#1314 » by SparksFly87 » Sat Jun 3, 2017 5:07 pm

76ciology wrote:Centers..

Best way to play effective D against elite teams is them going out at the perimeter challenging shots. Even Gobert get put on skates by Steph.

Offensively, it's tough to throw the entry pass and the elite teams are great in packing the paint that even say LBJ is switched off Steph, GSW does a great job packing the paint that the shot less challenged is taking a face-up jumper (read about this on Hayward's take on the finals).

The league wants to make the C obsolete or just way weaken it. The only way to play this game EFFECTIVELY is to have every player play like a wing, just like Biid, Towns, KP or Jokic.




Change the game and set out own trends. We have a 6'10 point guard and a 7'2 center . I think we should punish smaller teams when out size and play basketball our way. We can't beat the contenders at their small ball game.
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Post#1315 » by SelfishPlayer » Sat Jun 3, 2017 5:09 pm

If a team can FORCE Curry to defend, that demoralizes the Warriors historically IMO. That hasn't yet been a proven way to get it done with Durant in the fold.
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Post#1316 » by SparksFly87 » Sat Jun 3, 2017 5:16 pm

Embiid and Okafor have as much talent in the post as any combo in NBA history. Giving that away to cater to small ball is the best way to head back to mediocrity. I think Pelicans get it long term with Cousins and AD once they adjust.
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1317 » by mksp » Sat Jun 3, 2017 5:26 pm

I can't believe that people are still defending Okafor.
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1318 » by Unbreakable99 » Sat Jun 3, 2017 5:36 pm

SparksFly87 wrote:Embiid and Okafor have as much talent in the post as any combo in NBA history. Giving that away to cater to small ball is the best way to head back to mediocrity. I think Pelicans get it long term with Cousins and AD once they adjust.


So let me get this straight. You think our 4th string center is a key to beating Golden St?
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1319 » by OleSchool » Sat Jun 3, 2017 5:46 pm

SparksFly87 wrote:
OleSchool wrote:
SparksFly87 wrote:If you want to matchup with the dominance of the GSW or Cavs you gotta beat them with SIZE.

SIMMONS is a HUGE PG. Embiid is 7'2 at Center. I think Drafting Josh Jackson a 6'8 2 guard is definitely the way to go. The wild card is Jah at PF is too big and imposing to matchup with especially with his ability to score in triple teams. I think out sizing teams is our true advantage on the rest of the league. Go BIG.



I understand where you are coming from but, to beat GSW or the Cavs you HAVE to make their stars WORK on the defensive end. You can't let Curry, KD, Klay, Kyrie, Love, and LBJ just rest on the defensive side of the ball. Give me some guards who are constantly making Curry & Klay run through screens. Give me someone down low who is going to take Love down to the weight room and force him to defend.

Thats how you level the playing field. Then lets see how much legs they have for their jumpshots.



Matching shooting for shooting is not going to work out well with GAS and even CAVs with all there shooting talent. However we can destroy them inside .


I'm not asking to match them shooting but you can't let them rest on the defensive end. That's what's wrong with Roco, he spends so much energy defending he's not no legs for his jumper. Start "hiding" Roco on the defensive end and see what his 3pt% goes up to
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Post#1320 » by Unbreakable99 » Sat Jun 3, 2017 5:56 pm

SparksFly87 wrote:Embiid and Okafor have as much talent in the post as any combo in NBA history. Giving that away to cater to small ball is the best way to head back to mediocrity. I think Pelicans get it long term with Cousins and AD once they adjust.


I also find it odd people think we would be catering to small ball with Embiid as our center and no Okafor on the court. How can we be catering to small ball with a beast that is Embiid on the court who can make smaller player pay? How can we be catering to small ball with Embiid and Simmons on the court?

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