Mock offseason

[bwgood77]

I wouldn't trade him for lint though. I mean in the mock offseason I already turned down two first round picks and Reggie Jackson which is a pretty substantial offer.

first let me be clear on something I am not the biggest Bledsoe fan because I feel he doesnt create for his teammate enough but at least you need to get fair value for him. I think this year we were somewhere around 10 million or so below the salary cap threshold we dont have to move him and with an age of 27 he is just entering his prime. Also he is a positive person to have around the team in a leadership role so lets not act like he is one of the Morri brothers. last year we got a lottery draft pick (13rd) for Markieff Morris who isnt even one of the top 30 power forwards what do you call a player that is maybe in the top 15 PGs.

There is a little more context to that. First and foremost, the locked in super value contract Kieff was in $8 million for 3 more years.

Bledsoe is a better player than Kieff, but he makes a lot more, has more injury risk, and fewer years left on current contract...AND most importantly, PG is a much more abundant position of talent in the league and their is less need.

By RPM this year, Markieff ranked 13th among PFs http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/6

Bledsoe ranked 15th among PGs http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/1

I mean, even there you can see Markieff actually had a higher RPM flat out. 1.86 vs 1.69.

Despite the more expensive and shorter contract, the older player, who is more injury prone, and the league more abundant in point guards, Bledsoe SHOULD command more.

A couple of other factors though are that with the suddenly inflated contracts, draft picks are more highly valued and worth more these days, and last year's draft wasn't nearly as highly valued as this year's draft, so even the little lower pick this year is probably a better return than the 13th pick last year. They also probably felt the pick wouldn't be as high when they traded for him either as they had hoped to make the playoffs.

I think Bledsoe is probably worth the 12th pick in this draft.

I'm not necessarily advocating trading him either, even for the 12th pick. There are probably good arguments for and against trading him even for something like the 12th pick.

[51X3RF4N]

What would it take for PHX to trade #4 for #5, if they knew Josh Jackson would be on the board at #5?

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[bwgood77]

What would it take for PHX to trade #4 for #5, if they knew Josh Jackson would be on the board at #5?

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That's a strange hypothetical. Do you mean #4 for #3?

[51X3RF4N]

What would it take for PHX to trade #4 for #5, if they knew Josh Jackson would be on the board at #5?

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That's a strange hypothetical. Do you mean #4 for #3?

I mean....what would it take to get PHX to drop down 1 spot....if they knew Josh Jackson would be there at 5?

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[Saberestar]

What would it take for PHX to trade #4 for #5, if they knew Josh Jackson would be on the board at #5?

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That's a strange hypothetical. Do you mean #4 for #3?

I mean....what would it take to get PHX to drop down 1 spot....if they knew Josh Jackson would be there at 5?

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He would be on the board if WE pass on him.

I think that you want to say trading down to #6, if we know for sure that Sacramento are not gonna pick Jackson (they probably prefer Fox).

If Josh Jackson is available at #4, we need to draft him. Period. Overthink that would be a big mistake IMO.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Why do I keep seeing the word "overthink" in relation to not picking Josh Jackson? As far as I can tell, it's just the regular ol' thinking I'm doing.

[jcsunsfan]

OK. Hypothetical. Jackson is on the board and we get a call from the Kings. They want to trade picks and want us to pick Fox (or Ball) for them.

We have the opportunity to trade down 1, and are GUARANTEED to get Jackson because we are making the pick for them at 4. I would want 10 and we would give them both of our second rounders. We could then take Collins or Markkanen.

Two top 10 picks in this draft would be fantastic, especially if we are getting the player at 5 that we would have taken at 3.

[bwgood77]

That's a strange hypothetical. Do you mean #4 for #3?

I mean....what would it take to get PHX to drop down 1 spot....if they knew Josh Jackson would be there at 5?

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He would be on the board if WE pass on him.

I think that you want to say trading down to #6, if we know for sure that Sacramento are not gonna pick Jackson (they probably prefer Fox).

If Josh Jackson is available at #4, we need to draft him. Period. Overthink that would be a big mistake IMO.

Yeah, if Josh Jackson is there at #4 and we want him, no need to trade down to 5...there would be no certain way of knowing he would be there if we traded down...and if the team at 5 knew we wanted Jackson, why would they give up something to swap picks anyway? They'd just let us take Jackson and take who they wanted.

[bwgood77]

OK. Hypothetical. Jackson is on the board and we get a call from the Kings. They want to trade picks and want us to pick Fox (or Ball) for them.

We have the opportunity to trade down 1, and are GUARANTEED to get Jackson because we are making the pick for them at 4. I would want 10 and we would give them both of our second rounders. We could then take Collins or Markkanen.

Two top 10 picks in this draft would be fantastic, especially if we are getting the player at 5 that we would have taken at 3.

The only way they'd do that is if they thought we had put the pick on the block and were afraid we'd trade it to someone else. I'd be surprised if they'd give us 10...very surprised, but stranger things have happened, especially involving the Kings. I mean we only gave up the 27th pick or whatever and Bogdan who may never come of to swap with them last year and move up 5 spots.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

OK. Hypothetical. Jackson is on the board and we get a call from the Kings. They want to trade picks and want us to pick Fox (or Ball) for them.

We have the opportunity to trade down 1, and are GUARANTEED to get Jackson because we are making the pick for them at 4. I would want 10 and we would give them both of our second rounders. We could then take Collins or Markkanen.

Two top 10 picks in this draft would be fantastic, especially if we are getting the player at 5 that we would have taken at 3.

The only way they'd do that is if they thought we had put the pick on the block and were afraid we'd trade it to someone else. I'd be surprised if they'd give us 10...very surprised, but stranger things have happened, especially involving the Kings. I mean we only gave up the 27th pick or whatever and Bogdan who may never come of to swap with them last year and move up 5 spots.

I think it's too high a price to pay for the Kings, unless we really had them convinced that Fox was our guy - in which case, why would WE agree to it? I highly doubt SAC makes any draft day deals. I think that's a paranoid front office. They'll plan to make their selections and keep it simple in order to avoid screwing up, I think.

[jcsunsfan]

OK. Hypothetical. Jackson is on the board and we get a call from the Kings. They want to trade picks and want us to pick Fox (or Ball) for them.

We have the opportunity to trade down 1, and are GUARANTEED to get Jackson because we are making the pick for them at 4. I would want 10 and we would give them both of our second rounders. We could then take Collins or Markkanen.

Two top 10 picks in this draft would be fantastic, especially if we are getting the player at 5 that we would have taken at 3.

The only way they'd do that is if they thought we had put the pick on the block and were afraid we'd trade it to someone else. I'd be surprised if they'd give us 10...very surprised, but stranger things have happened, especially involving the Kings. I mean we only gave up the 27th pick or whatever and Bogdan who may never come of to swap with them last year and move up 5 spots.

I think it's too high a price to pay for the Kings, unless we really had them convinced that Fox was our guy - in which case, why would WE agree to it? I highly doubt SAC makes any draft day deals. I think that's a paranoid front office. They'll plan to make their selections and keep it simple in order to avoid screwing up, I think.

I was just answering the question asked. What would it take? That's what I would take.

[bwgood77]

So once again, as stated in my OP, I am participating in the mock offseason simulation they are doing on the trade and transactions games forum.

The draft was done the day after the lottery, and I got Tatum (in hindsight maybe wish I chose someone else), Jawun Evans and Wesley Iwundu with our picks.

Now, I have gotten a flurry of offers for Bledsoe, but no one offered any picks prior to the draft, so that's off the table.

So consider that...

I finally got a pretty good offer where I am thinking if we want to cash out on Bledsoe but can't move him for a pick this year, I'm not sure we would see much better than this:

2018 Denver pick unprotected, 2018 Minnesota pick lotto protected through 2022, Cameron Oliver....and in they could facilitate a deal with me getting Corey Joseph for a top 55 protected 2nd rounder. I almost got them to take Knight in the deal, but they said they'd have to keep a pick to dump his contract because they can't afford it.

So of course that gives us loads of picks next year, or maybe the Wolves pick conveys in 2019, but is still probably a pick in the teens whenever it conveys, and Denver is a pick in the teens as well.

Now we don't need that may picks, but that gives us a ton of assets to move in a trade in the future or consolidate and move up next year.

The one problem is...I would end up with a lot of players on the roster...so IF I made the move, how would you manuever to get roster down to 15 and/or what would free agency or other trade goals be?

Ulis/Joseph/Evans
Booker/Millsap/Barbosa (could waive)
Warren/Tatum/DJJ/Iwundu (I think he can play 2 as well)
Chriss/Bender/Oliver/Dudley
Chandler/Len/Williams

[ATTL]

So once again, as stated in my OP, I am participating in the mock offseason simulation they are doing on the trade and transactions games forum.

The draft was done the day after the lottery, and I got Tatum (in hindsight maybe wish I chose someone else), Jawun Evans and Wesley Iwundu with our picks.

Now, I have gotten a flurry of offers for Bledsoe, but no one offered any picks prior to the draft, so that's off the table.

So consider that...

I finally got a pretty good offer where I am thinking if we want to cash out on Bledsoe but can't move him for a pick this year, I'm not sure we would see much better than this:

2018 Denver pick unprotected, 2018 Minnesota pick lotto protected through 2022, Cameron Oliver....and in they could facilitate a deal with me getting Corey Joseph for a top 55 protected 2nd rounder. I almost got them to take Knight in the deal, but they said they'd have to keep a pick to dump his contract because they can't afford it.

So of course that gives us loads of picks next year, or maybe the Wolves pick conveys in 2019, but is still probably a pick in the teens whenever it conveys, and Denver is a pick in the teens as well.

Now we don't need that may picks, but that gives us a ton of assets to move in a trade in the future or consolidate and move up next year.

The one problem is...I would end up with a lot of players on the roster...so IF I made the move, how would you manuever to get roster down to 15 and/or what would free agency or other trade goals be?

Ulis/Joseph/Evans
Booker/Knight/Millsap/Barbosa (could waive)
Warren/Tatum/DJJ/Iwundu (I think he can play 2 as well)
Chriss/Bender/Oliver/Dudley
Chandler/Len/Williams

Roster size increases to 17 next year, doesn't it?

[bwgood77]

So once again, as stated in my OP, I am participating in the mock offseason simulation they are doing on the trade and transactions games forum.

The draft was done the day after the lottery, and I got Tatum (in hindsight maybe wish I chose someone else), Jawun Evans and Wesley Iwundu with our picks.

Now, I have gotten a flurry of offers for Bledsoe, but no one offered any picks prior to the draft, so that's off the table.

So consider that...

I finally got a pretty good offer where I am thinking if we want to cash out on Bledsoe but can't move him for a pick this year, I'm not sure we would see much better than this:

2018 Denver pick unprotected, 2018 Minnesota pick lotto protected through 2022, Cameron Oliver....and in they could facilitate a deal with me getting Corey Joseph for a top 55 protected 2nd rounder. I almost got them to take Knight in the deal, but they said they'd have to keep a pick to dump his contract because they can't afford it.

So of course that gives us loads of picks next year, or maybe the Wolves pick conveys in 2019, but is still probably a pick in the teens whenever it conveys, and Denver is a pick in the teens as well.

Now we don't need that may picks, but that gives us a ton of assets to move in a trade in the future or consolidate and move up next year.

The one problem is...I would end up with a lot of players on the roster...so IF I made the move, how would you manuever to get roster down to 15 and/or what would free agency or other trade goals be?

Ulis/Joseph/Evans
Booker/Knight/Millsap/Barbosa (could waive)
Warren/Tatum/DJJ/Iwundu (I think he can play 2 as well)
Chriss/Bender/Oliver/Dudley
Chandler/Len/Williams

Roster size increases to 17 next year, doesn't it?

Oh, does it? I know you can carry up to 20 in the offseason. It would be fairly easy to get it down to 15. Even though I took Tatum, Iwundu and would trade for Oliver in this scenario, I like them all.

In hindsight I might take Isaac instead but maybe could trade for him...maybe trade straight up Tatum or get something back since I took him earlier...or even Collins, which would make the centers expendable. Maybe I will look into that.

[Saberestar]

It is done already, but I don't like the new number of 17 roster spots. It makes the league weaker and with a lot of prospect or just bellow average players. Teams are gonna rest even more their important players and we are gonna see a lot of average players coming back to the NBA.

I want the league having the best of the best. If your roster have only 13 players you have talented and real good players. 17?? The level is weaker and weaker with any other spot added to any roster.

[Frank Lee]

you can only suit up 13.... that means you can have up to 4 guys rotating from practice squad to D league. All this one and done crap has made it necessary for these prospects to get further skill development as well as some of them to just fill out physically.

dont see the downside at all.

[bwgood77]

you can only suit up 13.... that means you can have up to 4 guys rotating from practice squad to D league. All this one and done crap has made it necessary for these prospects to get further skill development as well as some of them to just fill out physically.

dont see the downside at all.

I agree. It's nice to be able to have prospects on your d league under contract instead of having all of them be able to be scooped up by another team at any time.

[bwgood77]

Seeing Joseph tonight reminded me of this mock offseason I did managing the Suns in the game.

I wonder how we'd be doing under my scenario. I had traded Bledsoe along with Knight to Denver for their 2018 unprotected and Minnesota's first rounder as well as a couple of other guys like Arthur and Oliver I think.

But I had also drafted Tatum with our pick, and Jawun Evans in the 2nd round and then traded for Cory Joseph.

I imagine we'd be looking a little bit better and would have even more picks and no Knight so amples of cap space.

I wonder what our starting lineup would look like right now had we drafted Tatum and traded for Cory Joseph.