official Melo trade speculation - thread 2

[spree2kawhi]

Carlos Douglas Jr.: A confidant of Jimmy Butler says one available star player that JB wouldn’t mind the #Bulls going after is #Knicks F Carmelo Anthony.

Always thought this made sense with Wade opting in.
This deal would need to involve Rondo however.. not sure how the Bulls feel about him. I know Wade/Butler disliked him during the season, but he was a baller those first 2 games vs the Celtics.

Didn't Melo want Rondo in NY?

So perhaps they will want to hold on to him and form a big 4 of Rondo, Wade, JB and Melo.

That's a really small 4.

[blueNorange]

Cavs have nothing to give to us

they have first round picks in 2020 and beyond that are free for the taking.

and they will be terrible at that point.

[whocares1]

Cavs have nothing to give to us

they have first round picks in 2020 and beyond that are free for the taking.

and they will be terrible at that point.

Exactly. Our window for success isn't in 2017. Stealing future unprotected first round picks from the Cavs or Clippers would be the best outcome.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

Cavs have nothing to give to us

they have first round picks in 2020 and beyond that are free for the taking.

and they will be terrible at that point.

Phil trading for assets beyond his tenure with the Knicks?...I don't see him making that deal even though it's probably a good idea.

[NoLayupRule]

Paul George and butler being potentially off the market may be a solid boost for Melos trade value and teams desperation to get him

As I see it there is Haywood, who will stay in Utah imo, and then melo for teams to chose from to improve

Specifically Boston, wash, Tor, lac, and clev

[knickstape4ever]

get it done Phil. Get the #16 pick plus some of their nice young role players (i.e. Valentine, Portis). Wonder how far we could move up in the draft if we had #16 and traded Lee or KOQ?

[david_james]

I am prefacing this trade by saying I know it's out there and probably has no chance at happening but let me explain before propose the deal:

-After this NBA Finals, LeBron realizes he needs more fire power and pushes even harder on the organization to do something.

-Minnesota, after losing Zach LaVine to a Torn ACL and most likely losing Brandon Rush and Shabazz Muhammad in free agency, will have both a need and want for help on the perimeter.

-The Knicks need a point guard, are looking to start over and are trying to unload Carmelo and get something of worthy back in the worst way.

Cleveland Receives: F Carmelo Anthony and C Marshall Plumlee

Minnesota Receives: SG J.R. Smith and SG Courtney Lee

New York Receives: C/F Channing Frye, C Nikola Pekovic (Likely to retire), PG Ricky Rubio and CLE 2020 1st Round Draft Pick

[knickstape4ever]

I am prefacing this trade by saying I know it's out there and probably has no chance at happening but let me explain before propose the deal:

-After this NBA Finals, LeBron realizes he needs more fire power and pushes even harder on the organization to do something.

-Minnesota, after losing Zach LaVine to a Torn ACL and most likely losing Brandon Rush and Shabazz Muhammad in free agency, will have both a need and want for help on the perimeter.

-The Knicks need a point guard, are looking to start over and are trying to unload Carmelo and get something of worthy back in the worst way.

Cleveland Receives: F Carmelo Anthony and C Marshall Plumlee

Minnesota Receives: SG J.R. Smith and SG Courtney Lee

New York Receives: C/F Channing Frye, C Nikola Pekovic (Likely to retire), PG Ricky Rubio and CLE 2020 1st Round Draft Pick

would rather just keep Melo if thats the return. I'm pretty sure Phil wouldn't do Lee for Rubio straight up. Then it's essentially Frye and a 2020 1st rounder (which probably be a sh*t pick because Lebron could still be on Cavs and they'd make the playoffs) for Melo. Thats an awful return. i know Melo's trade value has been hurt, but Phil isn't gonna just give him away; he said he wants a significant asset. He would've made that deal already if he was just gonna give Melo away for the sake of getting rid of him

[david_james]

I am prefacing this trade by saying I know it's out there and probably has no chance at happening but let me explain before propose the deal:

-After this NBA Finals, LeBron realizes he needs more fire power and pushes even harder on the organization to do something.

-Minnesota, after losing Zach LaVine to a Torn ACL and most likely losing Brandon Rush and Shabazz Muhammad in free agency, will have both a need and want for help on the perimeter.

-The Knicks need a point guard, are looking to start over and are trying to unload Carmelo and get something of worthy back in the worst way.

Cleveland Receives: F Carmelo Anthony and C Marshall Plumlee

Minnesota Receives: SG J.R. Smith and SG Courtney Lee

New York Receives: C/F Channing Frye, C Nikola Pekovic (Likely to retire), PG Ricky Rubio and CLE 2020 1st Round Draft Pick

would rather just keep Melo if thats the return. I'm pretty sure Phil wouldn't do Lee for Rubio straight up. Then it's essentially Frye and a 2020 1st rounder (which probably be a sh*t pick because Lebron could still be on Cavs and they'd make the playoffs) for Melo. Thats an awful return. i know Melo's trade value has been hurt, but Phil isn't gonna just give him away; he said he wants a significant asset. He would've made that deal already if he was just gonna give Melo away for the sake of getting rid of him

I agree that the return isn't the best but I think at this point with Carmelo, there's not much better to be had and getting a 27 year old point guard on a cheap deal and a future 1st round pick with 2 expiring deals isn't so bad when compared to other options that have been tossed around, such as Austin Rivers/Jamal Crawford/Wesley Johnson or just straight up buying him out.

[Dr. Detfink]

These proposed deals are amusing but that's not how it works in the NBA.

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To move Melo, you're assuming:

1. Team President and GM have a pre-established rapport with other teams.

2. Sports Agents are in agreement.

3. Player's Union doesn't feel there was any "wrongdoing."

[knickstape4ever]

I am prefacing this trade by saying I know it's out there and probably has no chance at happening but let me explain before propose the deal:

-After this NBA Finals, LeBron realizes he needs more fire power and pushes even harder on the organization to do something.

-Minnesota, after losing Zach LaVine to a Torn ACL and most likely losing Brandon Rush and Shabazz Muhammad in free agency, will have both a need and want for help on the perimeter.

-The Knicks need a point guard, are looking to start over and are trying to unload Carmelo and get something of worthy back in the worst way.

Cleveland Receives: F Carmelo Anthony and C Marshall Plumlee

Minnesota Receives: SG J.R. Smith and SG Courtney Lee

New York Receives: C/F Channing Frye, C Nikola Pekovic (Likely to retire), PG Ricky Rubio and CLE 2020 1st Round Draft Pick

would rather just keep Melo if thats the return. I'm pretty sure Phil wouldn't do Lee for Rubio straight up. Then it's essentially Frye and a 2020 1st rounder (which probably be a sh*t pick because Lebron could still be on Cavs and they'd make the playoffs) for Melo. Thats an awful return. i know Melo's trade value has been hurt, but Phil isn't gonna just give him away; he said he wants a significant asset. He would've made that deal already if he was just gonna give Melo away for the sake of getting rid of him

I agree that the return isn't the best but I think at this point with Carmelo, there's not much better to be had and getting a 27 year old point guard on a cheap deal and a future 1st round pick with 2 expiring deals isn't so bad when compared to other options that have been tossed around, such as Austin Rivers/Jamal Crawford/Wesley Johnson or just straight up buying him out.

Yeah but we could probably get Rubio for Lee straight up and I'm pretty sure Phil wouldnt do it.

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[david_james]

would rather just keep Melo if thats the return. I'm pretty sure Phil wouldn't do Lee for Rubio straight up. Then it's essentially Frye and a 2020 1st rounder (which probably be a sh*t pick because Lebron could still be on Cavs and they'd make the playoffs) for Melo. Thats an awful return. i know Melo's trade value has been hurt, but Phil isn't gonna just give him away; he said he wants a significant asset. He would've made that deal already if he was just gonna give Melo away for the sake of getting rid of him

I agree that the return isn't the best but I think at this point with Carmelo, there's not much better to be had and getting a 27 year old point guard on a cheap deal and a future 1st round pick with 2 expiring deals isn't so bad when compared to other options that have been tossed around, such as Austin Rivers/Jamal Crawford/Wesley Johnson or just straight up buying him out.

Yeah but we could probably get Rubio for Lee straight up and I'm pretty sure Phil wouldnt do it.

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I get that but this isn't just a deal centered around us getting Rubio. It also has to do with getting cap relief and though it may not seem like it now, an extra first round pick is always an asset, whether it's this year or in 2020 and if it's one of the last picks in the 1st round as well, so be it. And, as for wanting more players like Lee, wouldn't we all but right now, a guy like Courtney Lee isn't doing much for this team. We're trying to start over. A guy like Courtney Lee is most valuable on a playoff team or a team who feels they're on the cusp of being one, hence Minnesota with their young nucleus and head coach who can take a guy like Lee and value him that much more. Courtney Lee on this team is just floundering. Same goes for guys like Lance Thomas and Kyle O'Quinn. What they offer would mean so much more to a team in actual contention or a team on the cusp. Kyle O'Quinn's 15 minutes off the bench with 8 points, 11 rebounds and 3 blocks mean nothing when we're losing home games to the Magic but numbers like for a team in the playoffs could be huge. These are the guys we need to be shopping. We have KP. We have Billy. We have the 8th pick. Go forward from there with that. Everyone else should be able to be had.

[MelosSoreWrist]

this is closer to what the conversation really should be about... why would he even want to stay?

it sucks on this team, he doesn't fit in future, he can continue to collect his paycheck elsewhere... he wants to experience winning... i think, at least.

why stay?

He'll stay because of his son.

And you know what, that's way more important than winning a ring. His desire to be a great father is what he should be judged upon. At the end of the day it's just basketball.

Cool... and which child of his were you talking about?

[N Y K]

He'll stay because of his son.

And you know what, that's way more important than winning a ring. His desire to be a great father is what he should be judged upon. At the end of the day it's just basketball.

Cool... and which child of his were you talking about?

[Greenie]

He'll stay because of his son.

And you know what, that's way more important than winning a ring. His desire to be a great father is what he should be judged upon. At the end of the day it's just basketball.

Cool... and which child of his were you talking about?

Welp

[knickstape4ever]

I agree that the return isn't the best but I think at this point with Carmelo, there's not much better to be had and getting a 27 year old point guard on a cheap deal and a future 1st round pick with 2 expiring deals isn't so bad when compared to other options that have been tossed around, such as Austin Rivers/Jamal Crawford/Wesley Johnson or just straight up buying him out.

Yeah but we could probably get Rubio for Lee straight up and I'm pretty sure Phil wouldnt do it.

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I get that but this isn't just a deal centered around us getting Rubio. It also has to do with getting cap relief and though it may not seem like it now, an extra first round pick is always an asset, whether it's this year or in 2020 and if it's one of the last picks in the 1st round as well, so be it. And, as for wanting more players like Lee, wouldn't we all but right now, a guy like Courtney Lee isn't doing much for this team. We're trying to start over. A guy like Courtney Lee is most valuable on a playoff team or a team who feels they're on the cusp of being one, hence Minnesota with their young nucleus and head coach who can take a guy like Lee and value him that much more. Courtney Lee on this team is just floundering. Same goes for guys like Lance Thomas and Kyle O'Quinn. What they offer would mean so much more to a team in actual contention or a team on the cusp. Kyle O'Quinn's 15 minutes off the bench with 8 points, 11 rebounds and 3 blocks mean nothing when we're losing home games to the Magic but numbers like for a team in the playoffs could be huge. These are the guys we need to be shopping. We have KP. We have Billy. We have the 8th pick. Go forward from there with that. Everyone else should be able to be had.

You just said that guys like Lee are floundering on this team because we're not a contender, but then why do we need the cap relief? You're basically gifting Lee and Melo away for Rubio and a 2020 Cavs 1st rounder. Lebron will probably still be a Cav by that time which means thats a late 1st rounder. A late 1st rounder 3 years down the road is not very valuable, and tbh neither is Rubio. Rubio has been on the market for a while and reports are we want even trade Lee for him straight up

Melo might have had his value diminished but not to that point. Lee and KOQ are quite valuable actually considering they are very solid players on reasonable contracts. Lee and KOQ were 2 great signings because they've outplayed their salary. Watch a guy like JJ Redick make bank, while Lee at 11-12 mil will be considered a bargain

[Rotten Apple]

He'll stay because of his son.

And you know what, that's way more important than winning a ring. His desire to be a great father is what he should be judged upon. At the end of the day it's just basketball.

Cool... and which child of his were you talking about?

10/10

[Ray Williams]

Yeah but we could probably get Rubio for Lee straight up and I'm pretty sure Phil wouldnt do it.

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I get that but this isn't just a deal centered around us getting Rubio. It also has to do with getting cap relief and though it may not seem like it now, an extra first round pick is always an asset, whether it's this year or in 2020 and if it's one of the last picks in the 1st round as well, so be it. And, as for wanting more players like Lee, wouldn't we all but right now, a guy like Courtney Lee isn't doing much for this team. We're trying to start over. A guy like Courtney Lee is most valuable on a playoff team or a team who feels they're on the cusp of being one, hence Minnesota with their young nucleus and head coach who can take a guy like Lee and value him that much more. Courtney Lee on this team is just floundering. Same goes for guys like Lance Thomas and Kyle O'Quinn. What they offer would mean so much more to a team in actual contention or a team on the cusp. Kyle O'Quinn's 15 minutes off the bench with 8 points, 11 rebounds and 3 blocks mean nothing when we're losing home games to the Magic but numbers like for a team in the playoffs could be huge. These are the guys we need to be shopping. We have KP. We have Billy. We have the 8th pick. Go forward from there with that. Everyone else should be able to be had.

You just said that guys like Lee are floundering on this team because we're not a contender, but then why do we need the cap relief? You're basically gifting Lee and Melo away for Rubio and a 2020 Cavs 1st rounder. Lebron will probably still be a Cav by that time which means thats a late 1st rounder. A late 1st rounder 3 years down the road is not very valuable, and tbh neither is Rubio. Rubio has been on the market for a while and reports are we want even trade Lee for him straight up

Melo might have had his value diminished but not to that point. Lee and KOQ are quite valuable actually considering they are very solid players on reasonable contracts. Lee and KOQ were 2 great signings because they've outplayed their salary. Watch a guy like JJ Redick make bank, while Lee at 11-12 mil will be considered a bargain

Lebron will be 36 years old, with a lot of mileage.

[knickstape4ever]

I get that but this isn't just a deal centered around us getting Rubio. It also has to do with getting cap relief and though it may not seem like it now, an extra first round pick is always an asset, whether it's this year or in 2020 and if it's one of the last picks in the 1st round as well, so be it. And, as for wanting more players like Lee, wouldn't we all but right now, a guy like Courtney Lee isn't doing much for this team. We're trying to start over. A guy like Courtney Lee is most valuable on a playoff team or a team who feels they're on the cusp of being one, hence Minnesota with their young nucleus and head coach who can take a guy like Lee and value him that much more. Courtney Lee on this team is just floundering. Same goes for guys like Lance Thomas and Kyle O'Quinn. What they offer would mean so much more to a team in actual contention or a team on the cusp. Kyle O'Quinn's 15 minutes off the bench with 8 points, 11 rebounds and 3 blocks mean nothing when we're losing home games to the Magic but numbers like for a team in the playoffs could be huge. These are the guys we need to be shopping. We have KP. We have Billy. We have the 8th pick. Go forward from there with that. Everyone else should be able to be had.

You just said that guys like Lee are floundering on this team because we're not a contender, but then why do we need the cap relief? You're basically gifting Lee and Melo away for Rubio and a 2020 Cavs 1st rounder. Lebron will probably still be a Cav by that time which means thats a late 1st rounder. A late 1st rounder 3 years down the road is not very valuable, and tbh neither is Rubio. Rubio has been on the market for a while and reports are we want even trade Lee for him straight up

Melo might have had his value diminished but not to that point. Lee and KOQ are quite valuable actually considering they are very solid players on reasonable contracts. Lee and KOQ were 2 great signings because they've outplayed their salary. Watch a guy like JJ Redick make bank, while Lee at 11-12 mil will be considered a bargain

Lebron will be 38 years old, c'mon man.

He'll be 36, and yes I think at 36 he will still lead his team to the playoffs

[Ray Williams]

You just said that guys like Lee are floundering on this team because we're not a contender, but then why do we need the cap relief? You're basically gifting Lee and Melo away for Rubio and a 2020 Cavs 1st rounder. Lebron will probably still be a Cav by that time which means thats a late 1st rounder. A late 1st rounder 3 years down the road is not very valuable, and tbh neither is Rubio. Rubio has been on the market for a while and reports are we want even trade Lee for him straight up

Melo might have had his value diminished but not to that point. Lee and KOQ are quite valuable actually considering they are very solid players on reasonable contracts. Lee and KOQ were 2 great signings because they've outplayed their salary. Watch a guy like JJ Redick make bank, while Lee at 11-12 mil will be considered a bargain

Lebron will be 38 years old, c'mon man.

He'll be 36, and yes I think at 36 he will still lead his team to the playoffs

Just corrected it, you're fast man.