Mavericks 2017 Draft #9

Mr B · Post #801 » by **Mr B** » Fri Jun 9, 2017 12:09 am

Yennefer wrote:Please not Collins, that would be the worst pick in history.

Must have never heard of Cherokee Parks, Samaritan Walker, Loren Meyer, or Chris Anstey.

Mr B · Post #802 » by **Mr B** » Fri Jun 9, 2017 12:12 am

Darren wrote:So the Mavs won't pick Monk at 9th.
1. Frank Ntilikina
2. Laurei Markkanen (who Dirk doesn't think highly of) / Zach Collins

I wouldn't say Dirk doesn't think highly of him. Dirk did give him his number and offer his guidance and any help he could provide with his transition to the NBA. If he didn't think highly of him he wouldn't have bothered. He may not think he's the best fit for the Mavs but that's much different than not thinking highly of him.

Post #803 » by **Texas Chuck** » Fri Jun 9, 2017 5:01 am

Yennefer wrote:Please not Collins, that would be the worst pick in history.

if the board plays out the way its looking and the choice is he or Frank the PG I would take Collins or trade out. To me he's likely the best option for Dallas at 9 unless someone above us makes a mistake.

Post #804 » by **Texas Chuck** » Fri Jun 9, 2017 5:04 am

dirkforpres wrote:
Yennefer wrote:Please not Collins, that would be the worst pick in history.

I don't think he'd be the worst.. I just don't want him paired with Noel. Seems redundant and doesn't fix anything for us short term or long term.

Offensively he has the potential to bring some things Noel never will and there are going to be 20 minutes or more available at center every night starting in 2018-19. And he potentially shoots it well enough to steal some minutes playing he and Noel together.

I want the best basketball players and his potential seems intriguing in that he's both a shot blocker and a potential stretch big.

Pointguard01 · Post #805 » by **Pointguard01** » Fri Jun 9, 2017 9:44 am

Texas Chuck wrote:
dirkforpres wrote:
Yennefer wrote:Please not Collins, that would be the worst pick in history.

I don't think he'd be the worst.. I just don't want him paired with Noel. Seems redundant and doesn't fix anything for us short term or long term.

Offensively he has the potential to bring some things Noel never will and there are going to be 20 minutes or more available at center every night starting in 2018-19. And he potentially shoots it well enough to steal some minutes playing he and Noel together.

I want the best basketball players and his potential seems intriguing in that he's both a shot blocker and a potential stretch big.

Right. If he can be a Serga Ibaka type, it could work. I don't love how Ibaka has be limited to a jump shooter but he's a guy that can be your PF/C easily.

I like Frank more than Collins but I take Collins over Lauri.

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dirkforpres · Post #806 » by **dirkforpres** » Fri Jun 9, 2017 11:08 am

Pointguard01 wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
dirkforpres wrote:
I don't think he'd be the worst.. I just don't want him paired with Noel. Seems redundant and doesn't fix anything for us short term or long term.

Offensively he has the potential to bring some things Noel never will and there are going to be 20 minutes or more available at center every night starting in 2018-19. And he potentially shoots it well enough to steal some minutes playing he and Noel together.

I want the best basketball players and his potential seems intriguing in that he's both a shot blocker and a potential stretch big.

Right. If he can be a Serga Ibaka type, it could work. I don't love how Ibaka has be limited to a jump shooter but he's a guy that can be your PF/C easily.

I like Frank more than Collins but I take Collins over Lauri.

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I have Collins as the 11th best prospect ATM. I don't think Dallas should take him unless we were to trade back or acquire an additional pick somehow (like DET's 12th pick)

Darren · Post #807 » by **Darren** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:05 am

Pointguard01 wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
dirkforpres wrote:
I don't think he'd be the worst.. I just don't want him paired with Noel. Seems redundant and doesn't fix anything for us short term or long term.

Offensively he has the potential to bring some things Noel never will and there are going to be 20 minutes or more available at center every night starting in 2018-19. And he potentially shoots it well enough to steal some minutes playing he and Noel together.

I want the best basketball players and his potential seems intriguing in that he's both a shot blocker and a potential stretch big.

Right. If he can be a Serga Ibaka type, it could work. I don't love how Ibaka has be limited to a jump shooter but he's a guy that can be your PF/C easily.

I like Frank more than Collins but I take Collins over Lauri.

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Yes, in this order:
1.Dennis Smith Jr. / Frank Ntilikina
2.Zach Collins (because he can be two-wayed player in position in scare supply; trade value is always there)
3.Trade the pick to get rid of some unwanted salary and get a couple of firsts.

No to Markkanen or Monk. Both may likely bust out.

Worst_to_First · Post #808 » by **Worst_to_First** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:42 pm

Read on Twitter

daoneandonly · Post #809 » by **daoneandonly** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 1:06 pm

I hope that pic isnt a sign of things to come. Say no to Nkinnia and Cuban needs to stay out of draft decisions

Worst_to_First · Post #810 » by **Worst_to_First** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:02 pm

daoneandonly wrote:I hope that pic isnt a sign of things to come. Say no to Nkinnia and Cuban needs to stay out of draft decisions

Who do you guys have above Ntilikina at #9?

Mr B · Post #811 » by **Mr B** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:09 pm

Worst_to_First wrote:

Read on Twitter

Man Donnie Nelson has really let himself go. He doesn't even look like the same person.

Mr B · Post #812 » by **Mr B** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:14 pm

Worst_to_First wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:I hope that pic isnt a sign of things to come. Say no to Nkinnia and Cuban needs to stay out of draft decisions

Who do you guys have above Ntilikina at #9?

Fultz
Ball
Jackson
Tatum
Fox
Smith
Isaac

Those are the guys I have above Ntilikina. You'll see there are only 7 above him. I would be shocked if Ntilikina makes it past your Knicks at 8.

Worst_to_First · Post #813 » by **Worst_to_First** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:29 pm

Mr B wrote:
Worst_to_First wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:I hope that pic isnt a sign of things to come. Say no to Nkinnia and Cuban needs to stay out of draft decisions

Who do you guys have above Ntilikina at #9?

Fultz
Ball
Jackson
Tatum
Fox
Smith
Isaac

Those are the guys I have above Ntilikina. You'll see there are only 7 above him. I would be shocked if Ntilikina makes it past your Knicks at 8.

I think the key here will be the decision between Monk (or whoever slides down among the 7) and Ntilikina.

Although the rumors are that Donovan Mitchell is rising up the draft boards.

Devassa · Post #814 » by **Devassa** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:33 pm

Worst_to_First wrote:
Mr B wrote:
Worst_to_First wrote:
Who do you guys have above Ntilikina at #9?

Fultz
Ball
Jackson
Tatum
Fox
Smith
Isaac

Those are the guys I have above Ntilikina. You'll see there are only 7 above him. I would be shocked if Ntilikina makes it past your Knicks at 8.

I think the key here will be the decision between Monk (or whoever slides down among the 7) and Ntilikina.

Although the rumors are that Donovan Mitchell is rising up the draft boards.

I think I would rather have Mitchell than Monk...

And I'd rather have Monk than Collins.

Mr B · Post #815 » by **Mr B** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:41 pm

Worst_to_First wrote:
Mr B wrote:
Worst_to_First wrote:
Who do you guys have above Ntilikina at #9?

Fultz
Ball
Jackson
Tatum
Fox
Smith
Isaac

Those are the guys I have above Ntilikina. You'll see there are only 7 above him. I would be shocked if Ntilikina makes it past your Knicks at 8.

I think the key here will be the decision between Monk (or whoever slides down among the 7) and Ntilikina.

Although the rumors are that Donovan Mitchell is rising up the draft boards.

Mitchell definitely intrigues me. He's not a PG though. He's strictly a 2 with good handles. He does have very good length though (wingspan), is a good defender and can shoot. If all the PG's are gone I'd highly consider Mitchell over Monk, Collins, and Markkanen. The Mavs have so many needs that drafting Mitchell over those guys wouldn't be a bad idea.

Yennefer · Post #816 » by **Yennefer** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 4:38 pm

We should pick Ntilikina. We need to draft a Future-AllStar and not a future 7th Man...

Ntilikina has the physical requirements to be a great player. With the right workethic and metal state he can develop into an all-star.

Players like Mitchell and Markkannen have a pretty low ceiling. At best you get a mediocre Roleplayer. Whats the best case for Markannen? Ryan Anderson?

Mr B · Post #817 » by **Mr B** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:05 pm

Yennefer wrote:We should pick Ntilikina. We need to draft a Future-AllStar and not a future 7th Man...

Ntilikina has the physical requirements to be a great player. With the right workethic and metal state he can develop into an all-star.

Players like Mitchell and Markkannen have a pretty low ceiling. At best you get a mediocre Roleplayer. Whats the best case for Markannen? Ryan Anderson?

Pretty much everyone agrees with you. The question will he still be available at 9. Right it doesn't appear that he will be. What would you do if Ntilikina is gone by the time the Mavs pick?

Mr B · Post #818 » by **Mr B** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:10 pm

If the Mavs are able to get a second 1st round pick what would you guys think about Luke Kennard from Duke? The Mavs attended his workout where is apparently killed it.

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Here is his pre draft workout.

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Darren · Post #819 » by **Darren** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 10:43 pm

If we can manage to draft both Ntilikina and Hartstein (by trading Wes for Crabb and a first round pick), we're finishing the offseason well.

C - Nerlens Noel / Salah Mejri / AJ Hammons
PF - Dirk Nowitzki / Isiash Hartstein / Dwight Powell
SF - Harrison Barnes / Dorian-Finney Smith / Andre Liggins
SG - Allen Crabb / Seth Curry / Nicholas Brussino
PG - Frank Ntilikina / Yogi Ferrell / Jose Barea

bobsquad · Post #820 » by **bobsquad** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:06 am

Wouldn't be surprised to see us reach for Mitchell or Kennard at #9. The guard crop seems deep but is lottery-heavy. If one of them is "our guy", we risk him going off the board as soon as the next pick.

And I'm fine with reaching. If Ntilikina or Smith aren't good fits, I'd rather go with a guy that the FO thinks can develop here.